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June 29th, 2021 at 8:47:11 AM permalink
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Almost feels like a good time for the Big Lebowski speech to the ďdudeĒ.

I had to google the reference. Did you mean this one?


I prefer the simplicity of 'I Claudius'
https://youtu.be/BNEJ6ahD7J0?t=127

Well waddya know. Patrick Steward featured in I Claudius. There was another Emperor too. Tiberius.

"I wish I'd stayed in Rhodes"
"Doesn't anybody in this city ever say anything that isn't either vicious or treasonable?"
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June 29th, 2021 at 8:50:27 AM permalink
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And, correct me if I am wrong, but that is part of why Mission146 chose to step away from Moderating here? Because he wanted to just be a regular member and participate normally.



That's not correct. I had a business relationship with a former member here who was accused in participating in some pretty sordid affairs (scamming) and while I had no dealings with him that involved anyone else from this forum, there were calls for me to resign as a result of some pretty serious accusations that were made against him.

Furthermore, there was a website created about him in which the name of the website was, literally, his full legal name. There's nothing I could do about that, but links to said website were being posted on here by one particular user, so I removed those links as Doxxing.

More than that, the name and picture of this individual's wife also was posted on that site (but are no longer there, last I looked), despite no actual accusation being made that would have had anything to do with her. It was for that reason that I was quick to remove the links to the website and remove them again when they were put back up. Had it not been for the pictures of his wife and her full name being presented on that site; I probably would have just thrown the matter to Wizard to deal with due to the possible perception of bias arising from the business dealings that I had with this person outside of the forums.

With that, bias was perceived and there were calls for me to step down. Wizard did not wish for me to resign from Forum Administration, but I did anyway. The perception of bias, in my slanted opinion, was pretty ridiculous because you couldn't have a clearer violation of the rule that says to, "Respect privacy."

This individual had also been banned, in the past, under a different handle. There was some criticism as to why he was allowed to post here under a new handle, a few reasons for that which were stated to me (but not by Wizard) that I won't get into and it was thought that I was, "Protecting," him, again, due to the fact that we had dealings outside of the forum.

Truth be told, I would have probably banned him for duplicate accounts myself, but I would have been acting unilaterally and in direct opposition to (not Wizard) another Moderator at the time.

Another thing that made the situation a bit odd was the fact that his initial account was banned for a reason, and by a Secret Administrator, that there really wasn't any prior precedent for in the Rules...so even his initial banning was kind of questionable.
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June 29th, 2021 at 8:57:01 AM permalink
Ah, well then. I did not know that.

Does this mean then, that a Moderator should not only be unbiased but not even make an appearance of bias. In your opinion.
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June 29th, 2021 at 9:05:17 AM permalink
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Ah, well then. I did not know that.

Does this mean then, that a Moderator should not only be unbiased but not even make an appearance of bias. In your opinion.



In my opinion, it does not mean that. Maybe if Moderators were paid, but they are not.

In fact, when it came to Members who would add a ton of value to the Forum as opposed to those who did not, I would often do unequal enforcement of the Rules. In order to get banned, a person must violate a rule, but it doesn't mean that we necessarily have to address every violation if we don't feel like it.

There was also one previous Member whose posts I would Edit myself; he had a tendency of breaking a ton of Forum Rules (mostly profanity) when drinking, but I couldn't be on all the time. He was a wealth of gambling information, mostly AP-related, so he's obviously someone that it was best for the site to try to keep around if it all possible.

I don't even like the, "No profanity," rule, as I have said in the past. I was opposed to it even when it changed to the more strict version of the previous rule.

In terms of direct Forum Administration, the only thing I eventually decided not to do was actively participate or read political threads (which aren't even allowed anymore), that way, nobody could perceive bias due to my political leanings. I'd openly admit to being biased in favor of posters that I perceived as, "Having value to the forum." For that reason, I made it clear that I was to be PM'ed if there were any perceived rule infractions in those threads and I would then look into it.
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June 29th, 2021 at 9:10:48 AM permalink
The problem though, is that people assume that forum moderators or admin know more than regular members, even if they might not. And then when forum staff say something, their opinion is often assumed to carry more weight. For example, at another forum at which you and I participate or used to participate, a certain member loves to quote that so and so (the forum owner) says this or that, as if it is gospel, and to a certain extent, that sort of thinking follows here too.

As well, how do you get into it with someone who could push a button and suspend you? It's not a level playing field.

So for the most part, even here, I think a Moderator should temper his opinion and at a minimum not make outrageously derogatory statements about anyone.

Consider for example the Wizard himself. For the most part, I find him to be even handed with his public opinions at this forum. I am certain he disagrees with a lot of what is posted, but he seems to measure his responses a lot. So if he's the Wizard, and he's the forum owner, why wouldn't he be the model to follow for all admin.
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June 29th, 2021 at 9:24:34 AM permalink
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The problem though, is that people assume that forum moderators or admin know more than regular members, even if they might not. And then when forum staff say something, their opinion is often assumed to carry more weight. For example, at another forum at which you and I participate or used to participate, a certain member loves to quote that so and so (the forum owner) says this or that, as if it is gospel, and to a certain extent, that sort of thinking follows here too.

As well, how do you get into it with someone who could push a button and suspend you? It's not a level playing field.

So for the most part, even here, I think a Moderator should temper his opinion and at a minimum not make outrageously derogatory statements about anyone.

Consider for example the Wizard himself. For the most part, I find him to be even handed with his opinions at this forum. I am certain he disagrees with a lot of what is posted, but he seems to measure his responses a lot.



Who assumes that? Do you assume that? I knew next to nothing about gambling when I joined this site compared to what I know now and I was made an Administrator within a few months of being here. I volunteered as I had Administrated some discussion forums before and I noticed that Wizard was pretty overwhelmed as there weren't really any other active Administrators at that time. The site also had a lot more active threads at any given time. I mostly blame Facebook, Twitter and Discord.

The only thing that carries weight is the rules are whatever the Administrator interprets them to be.

I tend to think I know what other Forum you are talking about, but I have no idea what conversation you are referring to. I probably only read a quarter of the threads there. I'm mostly there to interact with certain people I like who have been banned from here.

As far as level playing fields go, life is not a level playing field. If you want to know the truth, I think that OnceDear has exercised the same restraint that I did (when an Admin) as it pertains to NOT banning people for stuff said directly to him and not asking for another Admin to do it for him. When I was an Admin, I said you could basically insult me at will as long as you know no other Admin will see it. I said if they saw it and decided to do something about it, they could, but I openly encouraged the other Administrators to never take any action for something said directly to me by someone. I think OD is the same way, except he doesn't directly beseech people to insult him.

IOW, when I was an Administrator, I might have been the only person on this site you could blatantly insult and maybe get away with it.

A Moderator should do whatever the hell a Moderator wants to do because he's not being paid. That would be like the soup kitchen complaining that I don't wash dishes and make the salads fast enough when I volunteer there.
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June 29th, 2021 at 9:33:04 AM permalink
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A Moderator should do whatever the hell a Moderator wants to do because he's not being paid. That would be like the soup kitchen complaining that I don't wash dishes and make the salads fast enough when I volunteer there.


No, no, I think you got a little excited and went too far there. If that were the case, then anyone who applied would be qualified to Moderate here.
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June 29th, 2021 at 9:37:23 AM permalink
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No, no, I think you got a little excited and went too far there. If that were the case, then anyone who applied would be qualified to Moderate here.



I think you just have to have posted in a fashion that demonstrates a clear understanding of the rules and, in general, have a relatively jovial personality...for the most part.

I guess you'd have to ask Wizard what the specific qualifications are, if any. Whatever they are, I met them, so I can assure you that the bar isn't super high.
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June 29th, 2021 at 9:39:55 AM permalink
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June 29th, 2021 at 9:40:15 AM permalink
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I also never heard of a gaggle of supposed casino players who lack the connections to verify that some of the Montreal Canadiens were in fact in Vegas gambling and partying this weekend. I could be even a small time player and still be able to verify that.



Shouldn't bringing something from one of your other threads to this one be suspension worthy.
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