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provably fair system explained by a casino rep.
https://lcb.org/news/interviews/slotland-s-provably-fair-system-explained
Thoughts? Ways this can or can't be manipulated?
When I first heard about this system I was wondering the same thing as this guy. GREAT QUESTION
ChiricoSales
21/04/19
I would like this question answered if its not too too late. So you speak of multiple different outcomes being presented and the player randomly chooses one. If the system presents nothing but loosing spins technically its done its job right? I only say that because ive played that scam dice game on freebitcoin or whatever. On a 50/50 roll ive gotten like 24 wrong in a row which seems impossible. But when i check it the system shows it was not tampered it. So that means it was a loss no matter what. Im assuming the same could happen here on slots.
https://lcb.org/news/interviews/slotland-s-provably-fair-system-explained
Quote: AxelWolfProvably fair is a tool that enables you (the player) to verify each roll/spin/deal/play result and make sure you are not being cheated! The easy way is to just use our provably fair verifiers, fill in the information the website is providing you and check the roll results.
provably fair system explained by a casino rep.
https://lcb.org/news/interviews/slotland-s-provably-fair-system-explained
Thoughts? Ways this can or can't be manipulated?
When I first heard about this system I was wondering the same thing as this guy. GREAT QUESTION
ChiricoSales
21/04/19
I would like this question answered if its not too too late. So you speak of multiple different outcomes being presented and the player randomly chooses one. If the system presents nothing but loosing spins technically its done its job right? I only say that because ive played that scam dice game on freebitcoin or whatever. On a 50/50 roll ive gotten like 24 wrong in a row which seems impossible. But when i check it the system shows it was not tampered it. So that means it was a loss no matter what. Im assuming the same could happen here on slots.
I’ll have to find it but I know I’ve read somewhere that just because they do this it doesn’t mean it’s “fair” and that they can setup the hands and results before and that this gives a false sense of “fairness” as if the random number generator is rigged who cares if the results haven’t been tampered with it was still biased no matter what
Quote: heatmapI’ll have to find it but I know I’ve read somewhere that just because they do this it doesn’t mean it’s “fair” and that they can setup the hands and results before and that this gives a false sense of “fairness” as if the random number generator is rigged who cares if the results haven’t been tampered with it was still biased no matter what
kinda like class II machines, for the most part I don't care of it's random or not(unless theres some promotion that requires a particular hit where you need to know the cycle.
Assuming I have to compete some wagering requirements, as long as the long term payback is, what it is, then im good with it. It would be nice to know that you have the same chance to win a hand when making a $1 bet or a $1000 bet. Obviously we don't want a situation where you only ever have a 5% chance to win.
I'm convinced that many online casinos can and do detect bigger bets and gaff those bets after the bet is made and before the cards/spins are made. I also think they have a take down mode and or the hold changes during bonus use. Not all online casinos of course.
If they have tampered with the RNG but it does not change based on your bet size or anything like that, it seems to me like that might be exploitable since its no longer random. Does that make sence?
Quote: AxelWolf
If they have tampered with the RNG but it does not change based on your bet size or anything like that, it seems to me like that might be exploitable since its no longer random. Does that make sence?
yes it makes sense. i have contemplated and have been watching at least the shuffle master "patterns" that i think i see.
now i have also been changing my viewpoint about the outcomes as i have finally made it around to simulations and what not.
the patterns i see do not allow you to "exploit" any weakness as there is no weakness.
but lets talk about what you might do if you were trying to exploit anything that might go wrong.
in the case of blackjack :
what you mean by exploiting a weakness means that you are actually eventually going to chose to do something other than what is required of you when actually playing through the shoe. You might not hit or you might stay at certain situations which you deem are beneficial to you based on the information you think you have. So what you are actually saying is that sometimes you will not play basic strategy.
so now you are faced with a really risky decision when it actually comes to playing because you know that over time the strategy that has been tested over and over normally allows you to lose the least amount of money when playing that specific strategy.
now, i have done this in the casino, while playing by myself. I have attempted to make the dealer bust based on my thought that the next card is a 10.
i have attempted all of the dumb stuff.
what i think im seeing, is specific situations being setup. but these situations, once entered into them, can not be turned into any other situation other than what was originally planned by the RNG.
what im saying is there is always something like you get a 10 and an 8 and the dealer gets a 16 initially, and then pulls a 4 to trump your score. you could not have made that situation any better or worse, you lose no matter what.
I personally think there is some kind of casino grade shuffler algorithm that allows them to generate specific types of situations that you CANT exploit because people are constantly trying to do that. every time someone comes and sits at a table , they try something like "letting the dealer go bust because there is possibly a 10 next" and it ALWAYS effs things up.
i want so badly to be able to exploit these algorithms but at least from what ive seen its simply not possible at a casino or online. the only way is to somehow know a 10 is coming out and that the hole card plus the exposed card plus a 10 card will make the dealer bust.
Also, im pretty sure any "video" anything that the players or dealers hands can be generated separately and presented to you as one round of play, as in the dealers hand is predetermined and that no matter what cards you take or dont take the dealer has the same chances of winning no matter what also so you cant exploit anything or change the order of actions in any way.
As for Roulette :
screw that unless i see a physical wheel not in a casino im not even trying ive lost too much money to wheels with RRS and god knows whatever else security features the wheel had
