What can you ask to a host?
March 16th, 2019 at 5:03:06 AM
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I know a friend who coin-in $100,000 on SLOTS(6%-8% hold) each day when he goes to a casino, and he never talk to a host or get any perks. He can definitely ask for rooms and food comps but those have no cash value.
Can he ask for free play or anything equivalent like visa gift card? If so, can he ask for $1000 free play each day? Is that too much or too less? Is it embarrassing to ask every day?(with 100K coin-in each day)
I only tried to ask for rooms before, but never free play. How would the host react if you ask for free play? Are they more willing to give room and food?
Can he ask for free play or anything equivalent like visa gift card? If so, can he ask for $1000 free play each day? Is that too much or too less? Is it embarrassing to ask every day?(with 100K coin-in each day)
I only tried to ask for rooms before, but never free play. How would the host react if you ask for free play? Are they more willing to give room and food?
March 16th, 2019 at 5:14:56 AM
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Quote: WalterWI know a friend who coin-in $100,000 on SLOTS(6%-8% hold) each day when he goes to a casino, and he never talk to a host or get any perks. He can definitely ask for rooms and food comps but those have no cash value.
Can he ask for free play or anything equivalent like visa gift card? If so, can he ask for $1000 free play each day? Is that too much or too less? Is it embarrassing to ask every day?(with 100K coin-in each day)
I only tried to ask for rooms before, but never free play. How would the host react if you ask for free play? Are they more willing to give room and food?
I find it difficult to believe he gets no freeplay at that level. I would switch casinos.
$1000 a day is high. Most casinos have caps on how much they will allot per day. I have seen $125 caps on the low end. $300 - 500 is an average cap. Rarely have I seen $1000 possible regardless of play.
These days hosts dont give out discretionary freeplay too much. Its mostly automated
Every casino is different however
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March 16th, 2019 at 6:16:35 AM
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I ran a quick calculation on the Vegas Tripping comp calculator. If your friend truly plays $100k coin in per day his expected loss per day shows to be $8100.
Comps from the various buckets can be a wide variety of percentages of that ADT, but suffice it to say his comps should be really good.
No one should play for comps but, unless you are trying to stay as incognito as possible (which doesn't really work all that well), everyone should ask for any comps they can get. No, don't play for comps as the average gambler (APs do some different stuff) but get all of the comps they will give you.
If someone plays at his level, they should have hosts introducing themselves. If no one seems interested in his play and he isn't getting offers and host attention, it would seem to me he is leaving money on the table--he should be getting free play, meals, and probably a nice suite.
I play a very small fraction of that and I can get free rooms and a little free play all over Vegas and at all the locals...and that is going very few times per year--once or twice to Vegas and a couple of times to locals.
No mailers? No host? Does the casino have a hotel and/or restaurants? My skeptical side says that it would be impossible (or nearly so) to play that much and get nothing at all.
Calculator (for the fun of it):
http://vegastripping.com/compcalculator/
Comps from the various buckets can be a wide variety of percentages of that ADT, but suffice it to say his comps should be really good.
No one should play for comps but, unless you are trying to stay as incognito as possible (which doesn't really work all that well), everyone should ask for any comps they can get. No, don't play for comps as the average gambler (APs do some different stuff) but get all of the comps they will give you.
If someone plays at his level, they should have hosts introducing themselves. If no one seems interested in his play and he isn't getting offers and host attention, it would seem to me he is leaving money on the table--he should be getting free play, meals, and probably a nice suite.
I play a very small fraction of that and I can get free rooms and a little free play all over Vegas and at all the locals...and that is going very few times per year--once or twice to Vegas and a couple of times to locals.
No mailers? No host? Does the casino have a hotel and/or restaurants? My skeptical side says that it would be impossible (or nearly so) to play that much and get nothing at all.
Calculator (for the fun of it):
http://vegastripping.com/compcalculator/
March 16th, 2019 at 6:36:19 AM
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Quote: WalterWI know a friend who coin-in $100,000 on SLOTS(6%-8% hold) each day when he goes to a casino, and he never talk to a host or get any perks. He can definitely ask for rooms and food comps but those have no cash value.
Can he ask for free play or anything equivalent like visa gift card? If so, can he ask for $1000 free play each day? Is that too much or too less? Is it embarrassing to ask every day?(with 100K coin-in each day)
I only tried to ask for rooms before, but never free play. How would the host react if you ask for free play? Are they more willing to give room and food?
Your friend should be able to get a Host to give him $1,000 free play if he is playing $100,000 coin in each day he plays. It's the least that they could do. :) Maybe he can get double free play. Free play from the Host AND free play from the usual Casino Free Play. :)
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March 16th, 2019 at 7:37:36 AM
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Quote: NathanYour friend should be able to get a Host to give him $1,000 free play if he is playing $100,000 coin in each day he plays. It's the least that they could do. :) Maybe he can get double free play. Free play from the Host AND free play from the usual Casino Free Play. :)
The LEAST they could do is nothing
Something smells fishy here to me
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March 16th, 2019 at 7:38:44 AM
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Are you sure he is coining in 100k per day on slots? The host should be sending hookers and blow to his comped suite.Quote: WalterWI know a friend who coin-in $100,000 on SLOTS(6%-8% hold) each day when he goes to a casino, and he never talk to a host or get any perks. He can definitely ask for rooms and food comps but those have no cash value.
Can he ask for free play or anything equivalent like visa gift card? If so, can he ask for $1000 free play each day? Is that too much or too less? Is it embarrassing to ask every day?(with 100K coin-in each day)
I only tried to ask for rooms before, but never free play. How would the host react if you ask for free play? Are they more willing to give room and food?
You should be sending him GA pamphlets.
Have him use your card for just one day, negotiate a deal if you have to.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 16th, 2019 at 9:12:06 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfAre you sure he is coining in 100k per day on slots? The host should be sending hookers and blow to his comped suite.
You should be sending him GA pamphlets.
Have him use your card for just one day, negotiate a deal if you have to.
Loose lips sink ships and the pot calling the kettle black are phrases that currently come to mind
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March 16th, 2019 at 10:38:44 AM
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The retired doctor in the Louis Theroux documentary was playing the dollar slots every day and they were comping her everything. I think they even joked they were going to have her funeral at the casino. I would think $100k a day on the line would be getting into high roller territory at almost any casino in Vegas. (But I don't really know, I'm not a slot guy.)
March 16th, 2019 at 10:59:10 AM
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I got $1000 FP once at a stay at a MGM property from a host. I dunno what kind of play it was but I know I was platinum that year.
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March 16th, 2019 at 1:05:16 PM
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Actually they did have a funeral for her husband and the casino paid everything.
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March 17th, 2019 at 1:49:11 PM
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You can host for anything you like but whether or not you get it depends on, of course, your ADT, how high up the totem poll your host is, and how long you've been freqenting that casino. It also depends on the property.
I just came back from a 4 day trip from the GN downtown, I came in with a promotion for a free cruise and $325 show up money. My dogs were a two room suite with a nice goodie basket waiting for me. My host is a "player development " guy (for whatever that's good for).
My final ADT was low, about 190 for only playing craps but he called me at home a few days later to thank me for my stay and invited me back with the suite anytime.
Yes, it's a downtown property and I'd be on the low end of the MGM but I got all the RFB comped. If I asked for more I'm sure I'd have gotten it. It's all about those components.
PS, I get most of what I want because I'm pretty low maintenance and don't ask for anything ridiculous.
Exactly what did you want to ask for in the first place? There are hard comps and soft comps.
I just came back from a 4 day trip from the GN downtown, I came in with a promotion for a free cruise and $325 show up money. My dogs were a two room suite with a nice goodie basket waiting for me. My host is a "player development " guy (for whatever that's good for).
My final ADT was low, about 190 for only playing craps but he called me at home a few days later to thank me for my stay and invited me back with the suite anytime.
Yes, it's a downtown property and I'd be on the low end of the MGM but I got all the RFB comped. If I asked for more I'm sure I'd have gotten it. It's all about those components.
PS, I get most of what I want because I'm pretty low maintenance and don't ask for anything ridiculous.
Exactly what did you want to ask for in the first place? There are hard comps and soft comps.
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March 17th, 2019 at 7:20:29 PM
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Thanks a lot for the suggestions.
He can defineitely get any RFB he wants, but we're more concerned about cash value.
Is free play count as hard or soft comp? is it much harder to ask than RFB?
He can defineitely get any RFB he wants, but we're more concerned about cash value.
Is free play count as hard or soft comp? is it much harder to ask than RFB?
March 17th, 2019 at 7:24:31 PM
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Before he goes to the casino next time you might want to call and tell the host you have been offered x amount of free play at another casino. Ask the host if they can beat that offer.Quote: WalterWThanks a lot for the suggestions.
He can defineitely get any RFB he wants, but we're more concerned about cash value.
Is free play count as hard or soft comp? is it much harder to ask than RFB?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
March 17th, 2019 at 8:14:49 PM
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Im going to offer some tech insight
I just dont see how there is no freeplay being given with the play you have said is being done
There are some technical reasons he may not be receiving freeplay and I have experienced them myself in the past
Some places will not hand out offers and mailers if they are returned in the mail so first thing is to confirm the casino has the correct mailing address for your person
Next ask promotions why there are no freeplay mailers. There may be other technical glitches involved including an accidental "no-mail" trigger or setting
And yes, your host can examine these things too
But you should be receiving automatic mailers from just about any property based on your numbers
I just dont see how there is no freeplay being given with the play you have said is being done
There are some technical reasons he may not be receiving freeplay and I have experienced them myself in the past
Some places will not hand out offers and mailers if they are returned in the mail so first thing is to confirm the casino has the correct mailing address for your person
Next ask promotions why there are no freeplay mailers. There may be other technical glitches involved including an accidental "no-mail" trigger or setting
And yes, your host can examine these things too
But you should be receiving automatic mailers from just about any property based on your numbers
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March 17th, 2019 at 8:28:53 PM
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Quote: WalterWThanks a lot for the suggestions.
He can defineitely get any RFB he wants, but we're more concerned about cash value.
Is free play count as hard or soft comp? is it much harder to ask than RFB?
You do know food and lodging have cash value, right? Maybe not full retail cost, but it's not like 0 is a fair valuation.
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March 17th, 2019 at 8:39:50 PM
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Quote: rdw4potusYou do know food and lodging have cash value, right? Maybe not full retail cost, but it's not like 0 is a fair valuation.
Actually most businesses state emphatically that offers "have no cash value"
That is their language!
Its mostly to keep people from selling their offers away as well as scalping but if you are going to claim that well...
You need to be held accountable for your claims.
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March 17th, 2019 at 10:31:19 PM
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All hosts do is complain that I’m no playing them
Dost thou even hoist
March 18th, 2019 at 3:04:59 AM
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(1) Free play sometimes takes 2-3 months to start. So play in March 1-20 would count for May FP. Vegas is weird and some casinos stagger their months about a week later (so Mar 1-31 would count for FP starting 2nd week of May).
(2) Some Vegas casinos will not offer FP to out of state people (just rooms). They use different formulas for locals.
Some casinos will not offer anything to people outside their marketing area (which could be just a 30-40 mile radius).
They may look at Drivers Licenses in addition to mailing addresses (Nevada drivers license could be bad).
(3) Hosts at some casinos can talk to marketing and raise your FP (even on the same day, I've done this at the Wynn).
At one casino I think my FP was $5 with about 30k-80k coin-in 2 months ago. I figured I had been tagged as an AP, or the casino didn't give much FP for people with an "actual win". When my host found out I only had $5 FP, he made a call, and I got bumped to $300-600/week immediately.
(4) You can be accidentally flagged as out-of-country (Canada, Europe), even with a US address. There are numerous technical reasons.
(5) You can be flagged as an AP.
(6) Some places give no FP if you have an "actual win".
(7) They can Google you, and decide you aren't worth giving FP.
Many (most?) casinos will give maximum mailer at 1,000-1,200 ADT, so this person is already 5x-8x over that limit.
Wynn (Vegas) has a coin-in standard for locals. I don't remember the exact numbers (Players club will tell you), but I think 100,000 coin-in in a month will give $200-300/week and 200,000 coin-in will be $500-1,000/week.
Some Players clubs (or hosts) will tell you exactly what is necessary for each level of benefits. (Others are secretive).
One party of their job is to convince heavy players to play more.
One Harrah's host (in this office) turned his computer screen towards me, and explained ADT/ADW, trips, and many other concepts. Told me what they were looking for.
Other hosts will tell me...we need an ADT of 1,000 for top level (10 levels at that casino, not the same as card color), and your ADT was only 836.
Or your ADT of 350 is not high enough for a free room this weekend. We can get you a room for next Friday, but not for today.
Or you've used too much comp (haven't played enough this month), your "player reimbursement rate" for the past 3 months is too high ("overcomped").
In one funny case, a host at a secretive casino told me a whole bunch of technical numbers which I had never known (e.g. how much "player reimbursement" was that casino targeting). Why?
He was a new host who came from a more open-strategy casino, and hadn't shifted to the secretive mind-set yet.
(2) Some Vegas casinos will not offer FP to out of state people (just rooms). They use different formulas for locals.
Some casinos will not offer anything to people outside their marketing area (which could be just a 30-40 mile radius).
They may look at Drivers Licenses in addition to mailing addresses (Nevada drivers license could be bad).
(3) Hosts at some casinos can talk to marketing and raise your FP (even on the same day, I've done this at the Wynn).
At one casino I think my FP was $5 with about 30k-80k coin-in 2 months ago. I figured I had been tagged as an AP, or the casino didn't give much FP for people with an "actual win". When my host found out I only had $5 FP, he made a call, and I got bumped to $300-600/week immediately.
(4) You can be accidentally flagged as out-of-country (Canada, Europe), even with a US address. There are numerous technical reasons.
(5) You can be flagged as an AP.
(6) Some places give no FP if you have an "actual win".
(7) They can Google you, and decide you aren't worth giving FP.
(8) $100,000 on slots is 6,000-8,000 ADT (with 6-8% holds).Quote: darkozSome places will not hand out offers and mailers if they are returned in the mail so first thing is to confirm the casino has the correct mailing address for your person
Next ask promotions why there are no freeplay mailers. There may be other technical glitches involved including an accidental "no-mail" trigger or setting
And yes, your host can examine these things too
Many (most?) casinos will give maximum mailer at 1,000-1,200 ADT, so this person is already 5x-8x over that limit.
Wynn (Vegas) has a coin-in standard for locals. I don't remember the exact numbers (Players club will tell you), but I think 100,000 coin-in in a month will give $200-300/week and 200,000 coin-in will be $500-1,000/week.
Some Players clubs (or hosts) will tell you exactly what is necessary for each level of benefits. (Others are secretive).
One party of their job is to convince heavy players to play more.
One Harrah's host (in this office) turned his computer screen towards me, and explained ADT/ADW, trips, and many other concepts. Told me what they were looking for.
Other hosts will tell me...we need an ADT of 1,000 for top level (10 levels at that casino, not the same as card color), and your ADT was only 836.
Or your ADT of 350 is not high enough for a free room this weekend. We can get you a room for next Friday, but not for today.
Or you've used too much comp (haven't played enough this month), your "player reimbursement rate" for the past 3 months is too high ("overcomped").
In one funny case, a host at a secretive casino told me a whole bunch of technical numbers which I had never known (e.g. how much "player reimbursement" was that casino targeting). Why?
He was a new host who came from a more open-strategy casino, and hadn't shifted to the secretive mind-set yet.
March 18th, 2019 at 6:58:29 AM
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Casino Comp Calculator
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Calculate your expected casino comps based on your game, bets and time.
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Calculate your expected casino comps based on your game, bets and time.
How the Casino Sees You:
You play baccarat betting on player with an average bet of $30 dollars per hand, 55 hands per hour for 4 hours per session, 1 sessions per day spanning a trip that is 1 days long.
Based on calculated house advantage, your donation to the casino will be :
$89.76 per trip.
Your comp is :
Cocktails?
Keep in mind that this is based soley on 'theoretical loss', not on whether you exercise good strategy, have good fortune in your play or know when to quit. This is purely the math that is in play against you.
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How the Casino Sees You:
You play six deck blackjack with an average bet of $30 dollars per hand, 60 hands per hour for 4 hours per session, 1 sessions per day spanning a trip that is 1 days long.
Based on calculated house advantage, your donation to the casino will be :
$108 per trip.
Your comp is :
An email with 20% off a future stay. In the old days the pit boss might pencil you a buffet.
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How the Casino Sees You:
You play craps - betting Pass Line, Come and Place bets with odds with an average bet of $30 dollars per hand, 90 hands per hour for 4 hours per session, 1 sessions per day spanning a trip that is 1 days long.
Based on calculated house advantage, your donation to the casino will be :
$151.2 per trip.
Your comp is :
An email with 20% off a future stay. In the old days the pit boss might pencil you a buffet.
*********************
How the Casino Sees You:
You play double zero roulette with an average bet of $30 dollars per hand, 40 hands per hour for 4 hours per session, 1 sessions per day spanning a trip that is 1 days long.
Based on calculated house advantage, your donation to the casino will be :
$252.48 per trip.
Your comp is :
An email with 20% off a future stay. In the old days the pit boss might pencil you a buffet.
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Calculate your expected casino comps based on your game, bets and time.
How the Casino Sees You:
You play dollar slots with an average bet of $300 dollars per hand, 500 hands per hour for 4 hours per session, 1 sessions per day spanning a trip that is 1 days long.
Based on calculated house advantage, your donation to the casino will be :
$48600 per trip.
Your comp is :
RFBS for the rest of your trip and a phone call from Frankie Sands's boss Bobby Dunes, a luxury suite, a hummer from Siegfried and/or Roy and/or Holly Madison and a good night kiss from Steve Wynn.
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March 31st, 2019 at 12:58:10 AM
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Probably he's flagged as an AP.
Great
March 31st, 2019 at 1:01:42 AM
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This slot person is a foreigner, he doesn't have a US physical address, so no mailer for him.
Has anyone asked a host for free play before, how did your host react?
Has anyone asked a host for free play before, how did your host react?
March 31st, 2019 at 11:30:24 AM
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Quote: WalterWThis slot person is a foreigner, he doesn't have a US physical address, so no mailer for him.
Has anyone asked a host for free play before, how did your host react?
If this guy is truly coining-in $100k per visit on slots they will give him anything their system allows.
