FleaStiff
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October 31st, 2010 at 11:57:43 AM permalink
We all experience "Vegas" differently. Yes, indeed. Even if I were bound for Laughlin/Bullhead-City I'd still tell people I was going to "Vegas" even though its an entirely different experience. Whether I was staying on the Vegas Strip, Downtown or the Boulder Strip, I'd still say "Vegas" even though I'd have different expectations.

To a certain extent, what I've referred to as "The Buzz" is like an advertisement: its unavoidable but its actual effect on any one individual does vary. Some people walk into a casino and are instantly hit by "The Buzz" whereas others are able to exercise a bit more self control. I find the loud music in some casinos to be maddening. Others actually enjoy it and I imagine there might be some others who would say "what music?".

Its odd that you mention the failure of the dealer to at the very least acknowledge the tip. I too react negatively to this from time to time. I do not expect the dealer to fawn all over me when I tip, particularly in view of the paltry sum I might be tipping them. I do however expect some degree of acknowledgment. I've often been addressed as George or referred to as George and have heard comments such as a relief dealer being told 'shooter is our friend' which lets that relief dealer know that I've been tipping them. When both I and the dealers are on the pass line and I seven out, I've heard the stickman say something about 'can't call him a loser, he was making bets for us'. A dealer doesn't have to say something each and every time I tip him but some sort of acknowledgment is nice. I too have walked next door when a particular dealer has been rude or is clearly depressed. I know casinos generally try to make the atmosphere festive and if for some reason its not particularly festive there, I'll try the joint next door even if I play there with foreign chips.
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October 31st, 2010 at 2:01:07 PM permalink
That's getting a little subjective, don't you think? For one guy, that might be forced. For another, it might be exactly the ticket. I understand what you mean, but it does seem like qualifying degrees of recreation. "PAAAAAARTAY!!!!!" is not what I think is fun, but if it works for another guy it's OK by me, I'll go do my thing over here (which is one reason why I played cards instead of craps with my friend M.).
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October 31st, 2010 at 2:42:46 PM permalink
I only go to Vegas to gamble, thats all. I have a recurring dream that my wife and I are in Vegas for 10 days and get caught up in all the hoopla and are at the airport leaving and realize we never gambled once. I'm not joking, I have the dream all the time.
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October 31st, 2010 at 4:51:15 PM permalink
Quote: Mosca

That's getting a little subjective, don't you think? For one guy, that might be forced. For another, it might be exactly the ticket. I understand what you mean, but it does seem like qualifying degrees of recreation. "PAAAAAARTAY!!!!!" is not what I think is fun, but if it works for another guy it's OK by me, I'll go do my thing over here (which is one reason why I played cards instead of craps with my friend M.).



I'm with you there. Vegas is one city where even if I'm visiting with friends I am doing whatever I want to do. I of course what to spend time with them, but if they choose to go see some circ show and I couldn't care less about it, I'll go play some craps and meet up with them for a drink afterwards. Some of my family only play slots, some only bet on sports books, some only want to see sites/shows. It is perfect in the aspect that all of that is so close that everyone can go off and do whatever they want and then come back and meet up for dinner.


I'm not even sure why forced vs not forced matters. Either a person is entertained or not. There are many aspects about vegas that I love, and that others in my family absolutely hate. I like it when it is crowded, my family avoids weekends.

In the end if you enjoyed the experience, then you enjoyed it. How you enjoyed it or how you got in the situations to enjoy it shouldn't matter. I do think there are people that mkl mentions that go to vegas and convince themselves they had fun because they did all the vegas things when in reality they didn't really enjoy it. They were bored and they wanted to do something and the city was telling them what everyone else was doing for fun. I refuse to believe this type of person is the majority though. I also expect that those same people are going to remember the 8 hours where they were bored and are much less likely to head back to vegas anytime soon.
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October 31st, 2010 at 8:44:24 PM permalink
Mosca, glad to see your trip report. There are lots of differing opinions on Vegas. I live in a tourist destination, Niagara Falls, and people are genuinely surprised when I tell them that I haven't been on the Maid of the Mist. So it doesn't surprise me to hear that those who live in Vegas don't frequent the strip because of the traffic, bad deals, expensive meals, etcetera. I go to the falls from time to time, but never on a summer's night or during the weekend.

That said, I've been on day trips and one nighters to AC, and I'm right now about 40 minutes from Mohegan Sun. I'm comfortable both at Mohegan Sun or Foxwoods. They're megaresorts, and can be fun. For AC, I always feel wary because I know that if I walk one block west of the casino it would not be safe. The boardwalk is nice, in the daytime.

I've been to Vegas I think six times now. The first time was a typical trip - to get married. After that, I've been for sun, food, entertainment, and to gamble. We enjoy the architecture, the long walks down the strip, the pools, the shows, the meals, and of course, the casinos. I always feel younger while I am there though we personally don't do anything tremendously embarrassing or out of line while I am there. The Las Vegas strip has energy. The strip in Las Vegas I would compare to the energy one feels in Times Square, Champs Elysse in Paris, Picadilly Square in London, or Rue St. Catharine in Montreal, or even Niagara Falls on a summer's weekend night.

I'm fully aware that the games on the strip don't offer the best odds and I'd be far better off taking the shuttle bus out to Red Rock. But I'm there for the entertainment and for the energy, and to go on a good deal.
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October 31st, 2010 at 8:50:13 PM permalink
boymimbo- I have been to 40 countries and the maid of the mist is one of my favorite tourist experiences... and i live nearby, too. Get on that boat!!!
FleaStiff
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October 31st, 2010 at 9:19:33 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

I'm fully aware that the games on the strip don't offer the best odds and I'd be far better off taking the shuttle bus out to Red Rock. But I'm there for the entertainment and for the energy, and to go on a good deal.

Red Rock? I just read something in the LVSun about some tiny little slot joint with three BJ tables out on Boulder Strip having the best odds ... I didn't bother trying to see why this Skyline place is supposed to be so good, because I know I'm never going to go there.

I guess its the same thing as playing on the Strip when you know a locals casino offers slightly better deals. Its a slight advantage, too slight to motivate the trek away from The Strip. Its often just a matter of preference or habits. So right off the bat even a gambler who can do the math effortlessly will still make some less than optimal gambling decisions with full knowledge of what he is doing.
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November 1st, 2010 at 7:06:11 AM permalink
We did not have a single bad meal in Las Vegas. Everything.... EVERYTHING was good. Admittedly, we didn't venture out looking for anything, we stuck to what was close, and ate mostly inside the Bellagio. But still.

On the first day there, we were beat from travel and out of sync; paninis at Palio were superb. We each ordered our own, and each was big enough to split.

That night was catered food as part of our banquet; carving station, marinated salads, Mongolian beef, shrimp, crab legs, etc. Top notch.

Monday morning the buffet looked like a Disney line, so we split a breakfast bacon & egg panini at Palios. Great coffee. Monday afternoon, the sandwich shop inside Bally's, I had a good bacon/turkey club and Mrs had a hot pastrami. The macaroni salad was insanely good.

Monday night, catered again. Filet mignon, jumbo shrimp, jubilee tomato salad, gelato, etc. Can't go wrong with tender filet and grilled shrimp.

Tuesday breakfast buffet at Bellagio, best buffet I've ever had. And I've had a buffet or two.

Tuesday afternoon, quick lunch at Cabo Wabo. Street tacos were just like street tacos should be, small, simple and tasty. This was the closest to an average meal we had, and I'd eat there again any time.

Tuesday evening, dinner at Sensi. This was incredible. I'll put it close to The Four Seasons or Brown's Beach House, close to one of the best meals I've ever had. Not the best, but the experience was absolutely memorable. It is a beautiful space, staffed by people who have it really together, with meals crafted out of first class ingredients by people who care. You can't go wrong with that.

Wednesday morning, an apple danish from the Starbucks at McCarran. Back to reality.

Service everywhere was outstanding. We eat out a lot, more than most people do and more than we should, and this was the type of service I'd expect at a first class international destination: friendly but with decent distance. None of that "Hi, I'm Todd" stuff, except at Cabo Wabo, which is intended to be informal.

My sister and her husband visit Vegas often, and Barb was telling me that among food people, Las Vegas is getting a reputation as a gourmet destination. I can see that. If I were to win big, I wouldn't buy anything in a jewelry store, or a leather goods store, but I might blow $300 on a memorable meal. For me, it is all about the experience, and owning something isn't part of the experience. But the meals are. Again, everyone is different, and I know some people are going to think that that attitude is nuts... just like I think $300 for a round of golf is ridiculous, I suppose. Or, let's choose instead to say, "Vive le difference!" And be happy that both choices are available in Las Vegas!
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November 1st, 2010 at 7:46:08 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

Tuesday afternoon, quick lunch at Cabo Wabo. Street tacos were just like street tacos should be, small, simple and tasty. This was the closest to an average meal we had, and I'd eat there again any time.



I really doubt it. For one thing I'm sure you were not served on plastic plates inside a plastic bag, with the tacos on a piece of paper. Seriously, that's how real street tacos are served. The plastic bags are discarded after each customer, but the plates aren't washed til the end of the day (if then). You may have gotten them with chopped onions, cilantro and lime, though.

I wonder if a high-class, gourmet Mexican restaurant would work in Vegas. There are plenty here in Mex City, of course, but outside Mexico I've seen only one: San Angel Inn at Epcot's World Showcase. I dind't try it, but the menu was almost the same as the one in Mexico City.
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Mosca
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November 1st, 2010 at 7:55:46 AM permalink
Quote: Nareed

I really doubt it. For one thing I'm sure you were not served on plastic plates inside a plastic bag, with the tacos on a piece of paper. Seriously, that's how real street tacos are served. The plastic bags are discarded after each customer, but the plates aren't washed til the end of the day (if then). You may have gotten them with chopped onions, cilantro and lime, though.

I wonder if a high-class, gourmet Mexican restaurant would work in Vegas. There are plenty here in Mex City, of course, but outside Mexico I've seen only one: San Angel Inn at Epcot's World Showcase. I didn't try it, but the menu was almost the same as the one in Mexico City.



LOL, well yeah, there's that. I did mean the taste, not the serving or setting. Marinated shredded meat, cilantro, onions, lime. Soft shell lightly fried. A decent taco.

We've eaten at San Angel Inn several times, it's very good. I usually take pictures of meals (I have one of the street tacos, but not on-line to link here), but none from inside the San Angel, it's too dark and I won't take flash pictures in restaurants. San Angel is one of the better meals at Disney, I'd recommend it.
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