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December 25th, 2018 at 2:19:02 PM permalink
So a local casino here in Reno had a grand prize of accepting $7,500 cash or getting to play every machine in the casino with max spin or deal: collecting whatever it paid. What would you do if you were the winner? I知 not sure how many machines the casino had but I heard around 500.
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December 25th, 2018 at 2:23:38 PM permalink
You should have made a poll i would take 7500 as I always believe free play has different odds
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December 25th, 2018 at 2:24:59 PM permalink
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So a local casino here in Reno had a grand prize of accepting $7,500 cash or getting to play every machine in the casino with max spin or deal: collecting whatever it paid. What would you do if you were the winner? I知 not sure how many machines the casino had but I heard around 500.



Depends on the quality of their HL room and total number of machines.
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December 25th, 2018 at 2:42:46 PM permalink
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So a local casino here in Reno had a grand prize of accepting $7,500 cash or getting to play every machine in the casino with max spin or deal: collecting whatever it paid. What would you do if you were the winner? I知 not sure how many machines the casino had but I heard around 500.

Your average bet would have to be over $15 per machine. $15 per machine would break you even, but now you have to fade the vig on each machine. You would have take a look and see how many multi denomination, multi line, and high limit machines they have, especially ones with $5 denominations or more. With only 500 machines I have to assume it's a small place that probably doesn't have much as far as higher limits.

Here is where I think you might get them. If they have Bubble craps, Big tits BJ, and E-roulette etc, That alone could easily put you way above that $7500. I think it would take less than 15 min to figure out what to do.

Does their website show what games they have available and pictures of the casino floor?

If you had to choose blind without any knowledge where, I think that would be a tough decision.
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December 25th, 2018 at 2:47:17 PM permalink
In Reno many places have $1 Denom slots/VP in their high limit rooms. If half the machines are like this it might not be a good deal.
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December 25th, 2018 at 3:03:24 PM permalink
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In Reno many places have $1 Denom slots/VP in their high limit rooms. If half the machines are like this it might not be a good deal.

full room of $1 100 play (-;

Aside from the E-tables, I don't know that I would focus on just the high limit room. Bar-tops and multi games can oftentimes have some big bets. That might get offset by the nickle and penny slots.
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December 25th, 2018 at 3:34:45 PM permalink
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You should have made a poll i would take 7500 as I always believe free play has different odds



That's a very strange thing to think
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December 25th, 2018 at 3:51:34 PM permalink
I still want to know the logistics of how they would do this, do they shut down the casino, tell a player to stop playing while he spins, wait the players out?) and how long it would take. IIRC there was mention of a similar promo at a NY casino?

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December 25th, 2018 at 4:03:50 PM permalink
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That's a very strange thing to think



Yes I believe they know when you are using free play and adjust winnings accordingly but another thought is why would I put the money o already am promised against the house edge once again to win back my winnings
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December 25th, 2018 at 4:12:54 PM permalink


(-;
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December 25th, 2018 at 5:44:49 PM permalink
Not much of a HL area but they do have one, I think $10 VP, or $50 a hand. I guess there would be an attendant or some representative from the casino with you inserting the cash in each machine you go to. I'll find out exactly how many machines they have, might be closer to a 1000
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December 25th, 2018 at 6:04:34 PM permalink
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Not much of a HL area but they do have one, I think $10 VP, or $50 a hand. I guess there would be an attendant or some representative from the casino with you inserting the cash in each machine you go to. I'll find out exactly how many machines they have, might be closer to a 1000

I would assume they could just key the machine for a free spin.

I'm still wondering how they track each win? Perhaps you use your players card and at the end they give you the total amount the system thinks you have won, or they just keep a tally. I would be concerned about a tally and the players club being accurate. I would keep my own separate tally and if they give me more I keep my mouth shut and if its less I tell them to recalculate it. Obviously I'm not going to say anything if its only off by a few bucks.

If it was 1000 machines sight unseen and I was forced to choose( not considering time as a factor), I would go with the free spins. I would really be looking close at the E-tables. I assume it's one bet bet per station.

This sounds like it would be a real pain in the butt for both them and you. There seems to be lots of issues.
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December 25th, 2018 at 6:09:54 PM permalink
States each machine, not station, game or bank
I'd figure one play and if you cash you hit the cash out button unless it's a signer so you'll end up with a lot of slips to cash
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December 25th, 2018 at 6:13:28 PM permalink
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Yes I believe they know when you are using free play and adjust winnings accordingly but another thought is why would I put the money o already am promised against the house edge once again to win back my winnings



This ranks right up there with going to 2 hands of blackjack to change up that cold shoe
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December 25th, 2018 at 6:36:57 PM permalink
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If they have Bubble craps, Big tits BJ, and E-roulette etc,



I don't get to Vegas very often, but are you telling me they have a game called Big tits BJ?
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December 25th, 2018 at 6:54:05 PM permalink
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If they have Bubble craps, Big tits BJ, and E-roulette etc,



I don't get to Vegas very often, but are you telling me they have a game called Big tits BJ?

lol no... that's what we call them too though... they often have "video blackjack bank" with woman dealers whom, of course, always have their tits basically out. So we call them "Tits Blackjack."
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December 25th, 2018 at 7:18:55 PM permalink
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This sounds like it would be a real pain in the butt for both them and you. There seems to be lots of issues.

It also sounds like a free car promo where they expect all winners to take the cash option.

I壇 read the fine print and ask a lot of questions before deciding. They may decide that the PITA factor is too high and offer more than $7500...
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December 25th, 2018 at 8:30:51 PM permalink
I'd have to take the spins.

It would also be spins off fp, so most likely a lot less taxable involved, maybe none if those new IRS rules are being interpreted correctly.

7500 would be fully taxed as a lump.
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December 26th, 2018 at 2:06:02 AM permalink
My best guess is the know how many machines they have and what the max spin is. Then they give you that much in free play. They advertise it is 1 spin on each but just give you enough to be able to do it. If there are 1000 machines it would take an entire day and there is no way they are paying someone for an entire day to follow you around.

Or maybe they have a way to program your card for 1 spin on each individual machine and it's up to you to get to each machine.

Either way, I am more inclined to take the free play because your tax burden is gonna suck on 7500
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December 26th, 2018 at 4:03:11 AM permalink
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My best guess is the know how many machines they have and what the max spin is. Then they give you that much in free play. They advertise it is 1 spin on each but just give you enough to be able to do it. If there are 1000 machines it would take an entire day and there is no way they are paying someone for an entire day to follow you around.

Or maybe they have a way to program your card for 1 spin on each individual machine and it's up to you to get to each machine.

Either way, I am more inclined to take the free play because your tax burden is gonna suck on 7500

They could 1099 you for the amount you won after you got done. A small casino in LV was 1099ing people for accumulated drawings wins as low as $100.
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December 26th, 2018 at 4:33:50 AM permalink
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They could 1099 you for the amount you won after you got done. A small casino in LV was 1099ing people for accumulated drawings wins as low as $100.



True. I got 1099 for a poker hot seat of $200. Worse part of it was they didnt give it to me that day and mailed it at the end of the year. Had idea it was coming
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December 26th, 2018 at 6:27:21 AM permalink
I would ask if I could have the $7500 in free play because that should be non-taxable and it would be up to you to declare your winnings on the free play.
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December 26th, 2018 at 12:13:21 PM permalink
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I would ask if I could have the $7500 in free play because that should be non-taxable and it would be up to you to declare your winnings on the free play.



Taxes aside.

Do you take the $7500 or a max bet spin on each machine, what has more value? Obviously we can answer that question without knowing what machines they have, but lets assume you know they have 1000 machines.

I find the discussion of what you should be looking for and how to evaluate the situation when given limited time, interesting.
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December 26th, 2018 at 3:03:19 PM permalink
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If they have Bubble craps, Big tits BJ, and E-roulette etc,



I don't get to Vegas very often, but are you telling me they have a game called Big tits BJ?

lol no... that's what we call them too though... they often have "video blackjack bank" with woman dealers whom, of course, always have their tits basically out. So we call them "Tits Blackjack."

I hear you have been feverishly rallying for them to come out with a Chippendales version.

Big D**ks BJ.
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December 26th, 2018 at 5:35:15 PM permalink
I'd take the $7500 and MAYBE play some midlevel betting with the cash. Nothing worse than taking the Max Spins option and losing every single spin and kicking yourself for not taking the $7500 and playing some mid level bets
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