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Nathan
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April 14th, 2018 at 1:50:42 PM permalink
By "legitimate" handpay, I don't mean those weird "$20.00" handpays that occur when the machine is malfunctioning and cannot give paper TITO and you are stuck waiting for a Casino employee to handoay you your $20. I am talking about a win $1200 or over handpay. Aye. The closest I have come is two separate big wins of $600.
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April 14th, 2018 at 2:00:56 PM permalink
What is your average bet?

At .50 cents you probably never will or perhaps eventually you may get supremely lucky

Start betting $5, 10 and up a pull and you will see them more often

Betting $25 a pull i have easily seen 10 or more jackpots

Interestingly there was a promotion at one casino where every jackpot had an extra $2018 dollars added (to celebrate the new years) So i played $60 a pull and couldnt get one win over $600 even lol.

Lost $2500 chasing that
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April 14th, 2018 at 2:28:15 PM permalink
My average bet is the minimum bet to cover all lines, so .20-$1.00 :)
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D
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April 14th, 2018 at 3:15:07 PM permalink
Although many people have more and higher ones, I had $404,000 in w2-g's in 2012. The largest of which was $12,090 three times. This was max bet on $1 9/6 JoB Spin Poker holding four to a royal and connecting for 3 of them along with another card of that suit for three flushes.
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April 14th, 2018 at 4:06:25 PM permalink
i am devoted to to making a handpay impossible, at least none that mean a W2-g
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April 14th, 2018 at 6:10:02 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

What is your average bet?

At .50 cents you probably never will or perhaps eventually you may get supremely lucky

Start betting $5, 10 and up a pull and you will see them more often

Betting $25 a pull i have easily seen 10 or more jackpots

Interestingly there was a promotion at one casino where every jackpot had an extra $2018 dollars added (to celebrate the new years) So i played $60 a pull and couldnt get one win over $600 even lol.

Lost $2500 chasing that



How many lines were you playing? 2500 loss sounds like you weren't in it to win it. Maybe just dipping your toe in to check the water.
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April 14th, 2018 at 6:19:49 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

How many lines were you playing? 2500 loss sounds like you weren't in it to win it. Maybe just dipping your toe in to check the water.



To be fair, $2500 is over 2 months pay for me, so to me a $2500 loss is big money.
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April 14th, 2018 at 6:27:24 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

i am devoted to to making a handpay impossible, at least none that mean a W2-g



I remember someone saying they were pissed off that they got a handpay because they actually lost more money in taxes than if they didn't get a handpay. They said something like "I got 15 free spins. By spin 14, I had $1100 and thought," Yes! I don't have to pay taxes! " I forgot I had one more spin. Then spin 15 came and it was a $1230 win! Crap! I ended up paying 33 percent in taxes and left with about $825 instead of a $1100! So messed up! "
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D
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April 14th, 2018 at 6:43:34 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

To be fair, $2500 is over 2 months pay for me, so to me a $2500 loss is big money.



How can you afford to play slots at the level you claim if your income is so puny?

Must have a sugar daddy.
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April 14th, 2018 at 6:57:47 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

How can you afford to play slots at the level you claim if your income is so puny?

Must have a sugar daddy.



.20-$1 a spin. ;)
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D
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April 14th, 2018 at 7:15:37 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

What is your average bet?

At .50 cents you probably never will or perhaps eventually you may get supremely lucky

Start betting $5, 10 and up a pull and you will see them more often

Betting $25 a pull i have easily seen 10 or more jackpots

Interestingly there was a promotion at one casino where every jackpot had an extra $2018 dollars added (to celebrate the new years) So i played $60 a pull and couldnt get one win over $600 even lol.

Lost $2500 chasing that

WTF!!!

If you can't beat that promo( depending on the exact rules and games they would have to be very very stringent not to make it a superb play)you should give up AP.

Sounds like a gold mine to me.

Depending on the situation, if something like this ever comes up again, I'm willing to pay a big wad of cash for the information, if I do know about it. I have paid thousands to people for good information on promos. Like this.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 14th, 2018 at 7:23:29 PM permalink
Quote: Nathan

To be fair, $2500 is over 2 months pay for me, so to me a $2500 loss is big money.



I wasn't talking to you. What he said makes no sense. I'm looking for a further logical explanation. What he said is equivalent to someone saying that they are down 40 dollars on the 25 cent wheel of fortune and haven't hit a spin on the wheel yet.
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April 14th, 2018 at 7:33:41 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

WTF!!!

If you can't beat that promo( depending on the exact rules and games they would have to be very very stringent not to make it a superb play)you should give up AP.

Sounds like a gold mine to me.

Depending on the situation, if something like this ever comes up again, I'm willing to pay a big wad of cash for the information, if I do know about it. I have paid thousands to people for good information on promos. Like this.



It was limited to the first 18 people within the 3 hour time limit. All slots throughout the casino.

Plus I was combining it with another play that would have been adversely affected once I passed a certain threshold which I achieved so it was time to move on
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April 14th, 2018 at 7:41:02 PM permalink
I hit a slot once for $7350.....after paying me she asked me to spin once to clear the win off......hit for another $1,000.
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April 14th, 2018 at 8:28:01 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

It was limited to the first 18 people within the 3 hour time limit. All slots throughout the casino.

Plus I was combining it with another play that would have been adversely affected once I passed a certain threshold which I achieved so it was time to move on

Fist 18 people, or first 18 jackpots?

I could probably round up a few people.

3 hours is more than enough time.Not knowing what all machines were avaliable but it Sounds like it was worth as much as 1k(even more depending on what they have) in less than 1 hour per hit.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 14th, 2018 at 8:54:29 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Fist 18 people, or first 18 jackpots?

I could probably round up a few people.

3 hours is more than enough time.Not knowing what all machines were avaliable but it Sounds like it was worth as much as 1k(even more depending on what they have) in less than 1 hour per hit.



First 18 people. You had to be using your players card or no bonus. It was limited to one jackpot per person

Also it had to be over $2k. Not $1200. So a jackpot of $1999 got you no bonus
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April 14th, 2018 at 9:20:19 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

First 18 people. You had to be using your players card or no bonus. It was limited to one jackpot per person

Also it had to be over $2k. Not $1200. So a jackpot of $1999 got you no bonus

You said EVERY JACKPOT.
Were you lying then, or are you lying now? J/K.


Nonetheless, depending on the game selection, It was still a good play, you definitely should have played until you got a handpay, win lose or draw. Perhaps a better machine selection was in order.

Having to use your slot card was a given. Without giving it too much thought, I can't remember the last time I was able to play a promo where your players cad was not required. Nowadays, most promo bonuses are all given in free play.

Come to think of it, a few years back I played at a north town casino that had a JP promo where I think they paid cash until they tossed us out.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 14th, 2018 at 11:40:57 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

I wasn't talking to you. What he said makes no sense. I'm looking for a further logical explanation. What he said is equivalent to someone saying that they are down 40 dollars on the 25 cent wheel of fortune and haven't hit a spin on the wheel yet.



I know you weren't talking to me. I was just pointing out that a $2500 loss is a big deal to me. ;)
In both The Hunger Games and in gambling, may the odds be ever in your favor. :D "Man Babes" #AxelFabulous "Olive oil is processed but it only has one ingredient, olive oil."-Even Bob, March 27/28th. :D The 2 year war is over! Woo-hoo! :D I sometimes speak in metaphors. ;) Remember this. ;) Crack the code. :D 8.9.13.25.14.1.13.5.9.19.14.1.20.8.1.14! :D "For about the 4096th time, let me offer a radical idea to those of you who don't like Nathan -- block her and don't visit Nathan's Corner. What is so complicated about it?" Wizard, August 21st. :D
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April 15th, 2018 at 1:42:11 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

You said EVERY JACKPOT.
Were you lying then, or are you lying now? J/K.


Nonetheless, depending on the game selection, It was still a good play, you definitely should have played until you got a handpay, win lose or draw. Perhaps a better machine selection was in order.

Having to use your slot card was a given. Without giving it too much thought, I can't remember the last time I was able to play a promo where your players cad was not required. Nowadays, most promo bonuses are all given in free play.

Come to think of it, a few years back I played at a north town casino that had a JP promo where I think they paid cash until they tossed us out.



Im not sure what you mean by playing until a handpay win lose or draw.

Win lose or draw what?

Lose $10k win back $4k? Lose $15k win back $4k? For every $2000+ jackpot(limited to the first 18 :)) you got an $2018 bonus. Win $2k you doubled your money ($4018) but win $10,000 jackpot you only got a 20% bonus ($10,000 + 2018) etc

So it became a set of diminishing returns at that point

I set my loss limit based on a requirement of another play (therefore making a profit at least in one form even if it was eaten up by the jackpot promo but hoping for both) and both my loss limit and what i needed for the other play were passed

There was no point in me throwing good money after bad at that point
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April 15th, 2018 at 1:56:06 AM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

I wasn't talking to you. What he said makes no sense. I'm looking for a further logical explanation. What he said is equivalent to someone saying that they are down 40 dollars on the 25 cent wheel of fortune and haven't hit a spin on the wheel yet.



Hell yeah

If I just spun minimum 160 times and didnt win a penny im not gonna keep playing at that machine. If i have been winning a little here and there but still no bonus win (so basically I have spun maybe 300 times) and still no bonus spin I am still switching games

Please explain why you would keep sitting an playing or are you following gamblers fallacy? If you keep spinning it has to happen by xyz spins?
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April 15th, 2018 at 2:47:09 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Im not sure what you mean by playing until a handpay win lose or draw.

Win lose or draw what?

Lose $10k win back $4k? Lose $15k win back $4k? For every $2000+ jackpot(limited to the first 18 :)) you got an $2018 bonus. Win $2k you doubled your money ($4018) but win $10,000 jackpot you only got a 20% bonus ($10,000 + 2018) etc

So it became a set of diminishing returns at that point

I set my loss limit based on a requirement of another play (therefore making a profit at least in one form even if it was eaten up by the jackpot promo but hoping for both) and both my loss limit and what i needed for the other play were passed

There was no point in me throwing good money after bad at that point

I'm too tuckered out to get into this right now. Just make sure you add all that to your AP book, #bestseller (-;
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 15th, 2018 at 3:08:50 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I'm too tuckered out to get into this right now. Just make sure you add all that to your AP book, #bestseller (-;



I will. Maybe you will learn something :)
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April 15th, 2018 at 9:49:08 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Hell yeah

If I just spun minimum 160 times and didnt win a penny im not gonna keep playing at that machine. If i have been winning a little here and there but still no bonus win (so basically I have spun maybe 300 times) and still no bonus spin I am still switching games

Please explain why you would keep sitting an playing or are you following gamblers fallacy? If you keep spinning it has to happen by xyz spins?



My earlier question was whether or not you were playing a game with many multiple pay lines. It is a common mistake for people to seek out a game with the highest total per spin amount when playing a loss rebate. To answer your question, it is gamblers fallacy to think that switching machines will bring you better results and yes you can usually figure out a range for results if you know the frequency of occurrence of an event.

I am sorry for asking you a question. It is clear to me that I was giving you too much credit. You go ahead and keep running "the most feared AP team on the East Coast....lol....If I had a casino you wouldn't need a mask. I would roll out the red carpet for you and your associates.
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April 15th, 2018 at 10:04:17 AM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

My earlier question was whether or not you were playing a game with many multiple pay lines. It is a common mistake for people to seek out a game with the highest total per spin amount when playing a loss rebate. To answer your question, it is gamblers fallacy to think that switching machines will bring you better results and yes you can usually figure out a range for results if you know the frequency of occurrence of an event.

I am sorry for asking you a question. It is clear to me that I was giving you too much credit. You go ahead and keep running "the most feared AP team on the East Coast....lol....If I had a casino you wouldn't need a mask. I would roll out the red carpet for you and your associates.



God i wish that was true!!!

Call the valley forge casino and tell then in your opinion they should be rolling out the red carpet for me

PLEASE?
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April 15th, 2018 at 10:06:09 AM permalink
Come on people, AP is a myth. Rob Singer said so!
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April 15th, 2018 at 10:19:38 AM permalink
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Come on people, AP is a myth. Rob Singer said so!



Thank you! If APs' brains were bigger than their egos they would let the naysayers spew their nonsense.
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April 15th, 2018 at 10:21:45 AM permalink
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If APs' brains were bigger than their egos they would let the naysayers spew their nonsense.



Im simply not frightened of the casinos.

There are at least half a dozen that know my face and m.o. who are being hit by my team as we speak
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April 15th, 2018 at 10:24:52 AM permalink
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Im simply not frightened of the casinos.

There are at least half a dozen that know my face and m.o. who are being hit by my team as we speak



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April 15th, 2018 at 10:30:26 AM permalink
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YESSSS!

Now we talkin :)))
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April 15th, 2018 at 1:51:02 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

God i wish that was true!!!

Call the valley forge casino and tell then in your opinion they should be rolling out the red carpet for me

PLEASE?



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April 15th, 2018 at 2:15:51 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

God i wish that was true!!!

Call the valley forge casino and tell then in your opinion they should be rolling out the red carpet for me

PLEASE?


Whom would I ask to speak with? I mean, the operator ain't gonna be able to do jackshoot.
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April 15th, 2018 at 2:38:19 PM permalink
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Whom would I ask to speak with? I mean, the operator ain't gonna be able to do jackshoot.



Call head of security

Tell them you wish the AP caught wearing a mask in 2016 should have the red carpet rolled out to him. In your opinion he is not a danger to your casino

Trust me he will know who you are referring too
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April 15th, 2018 at 2:57:41 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Call head of security

Tell them you wish the AP caught wearing a mask in 2016 should have the red carpet rolled out to him. In your opinion he is not a danger to your casino

Trust me he will know who you are referring too


Wait, now I feel like this is just a trick....
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April 15th, 2018 at 2:59:32 PM permalink
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Quote: darkoz

Call head of security

Tell them you wish the AP caught wearing a mask in 2016 should have the red carpet rolled out to him. In your opinion he is not a danger to your casino

Trust me he will know who you are referring too


Wait, now I feel like this is just a trick....



Lol I have so many stories to tell in my AP adventures

Gotta wait for the book i guess
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April 15th, 2018 at 3:05:18 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: RS

Quote: darkoz

Call head of security

Tell them you wish the AP caught wearing a mask in 2016 should have the red carpet rolled out to him. In your opinion he is not a danger to your casino

Trust me he will know who you are referring too


Wait, now I feel like this is just a trick....



Lol I have so many stories to tell in my AP adventures

Gotta wait for the book i guess



With all due respect, how many folks do you think care to read about endless casino scams? How many copies do you think you'll sell? Even if you force everyone on your teams to pay full price, that's only a couple thousand. Way too many opportunities wasted while writing a book few will care about.
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April 15th, 2018 at 3:16:45 PM permalink
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Quote: darkoz

Quote: RS

Quote: darkoz

Call head of security

Tell them you wish the AP caught wearing a mask in 2016 should have the red carpet rolled out to him. In your opinion he is not a danger to your casino

Trust me he will know who you are referring too


Wait, now I feel like this is just a trick....



Lol I have so many stories to tell in my AP adventures

Gotta wait for the book i guess



With all due respect, how many folks do you think care to read about endless casino scams? How many copies do you think you'll sell? Even if you force everyone on your teams to pay full price, that's only a couple thousand. Way too many opportunities wasted while writing a book few will care about.



Thats pretty much the entire book publishing business. Some sell lots some dont
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April 15th, 2018 at 3:34:07 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Quote: darkoz

Quote: RS

Quote: darkoz

Call head of security

Tell them you wish the AP caught wearing a mask in 2016 should have the red carpet rolled out to him. In your opinion he is not a danger to your casino

Trust me he will know who you are referring too


Wait, now I feel like this is just a trick....



Lol I have so many stories to tell in my AP adventures

Gotta wait for the book i guess



With all due respect, how many folks do you think care to read about endless casino scams? How many copies do you think you'll sell? Even if you force everyone on your teams to pay full price, that's only a couple thousand. Way too many opportunities wasted while writing a book few will care about.



You'd be surprised. There was a guy named Brian Griffin who wrote a book called, "Wish It, Want It, Do It," a trash self help book and he put like 20 blank pages in it and it still became a popular best seller until Bill Maher, Arianna Huffington, and Dana Gould all ripped him to shreds verbally on Real Time show for writing such a piece of crap book and Brian was so flustered he peed on the set and ran off barking like a dog. ;) So, there is a huge chance his Endless Casino Scams book could become a popular best seller. People like reading up on Scams. ;)
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April 15th, 2018 at 4:15:18 PM permalink
The title will NOT be "Endless Casino Scams"
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April 15th, 2018 at 6:58:38 PM permalink
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The title will NOT be "Endless Casino Scams"

I don't mean to imply you do any casino scams, but that is the image most civilians would have of many AP plays.
I know three gambling authors well, and have met a few others. I think the consensus among them is dollar wise, they would be better off hustling nickel Ultimate X.
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April 15th, 2018 at 7:05:24 PM permalink
I've made a lot of money off of nickel UX.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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April 15th, 2018 at 7:08:36 PM permalink
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I've made a lot of money off of nickel UX.



One of my neighbors in NY made a couple hundred a week scavenging deposit bottles, and occasionally hit a jackpot by finding something brand new.
Mighty fine work if that's your thing.
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April 15th, 2018 at 7:36:50 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I don't mean to imply you do any casino scams, but that is the image most civilians would have of many AP plays.
I know three gambling authors well, and have met a few others. I think the consensus among them is dollar wise, they would be better off hustling nickel Ultimate X.
For every MIT book, there are a dozen Blackjack Autumns.



I definitely agree with that. I have tried explaining to some people and they are simply convinced its impossible to win consistently in casinos without illegal means

However I have also spoken to many who believe a holy grail method to beat casinos is absolutely possible (most not understanding math and thinking -ev games are beatable by themselves)
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April 15th, 2018 at 9:02:38 PM permalink
If I were to write a book, I'd target the semi-knowledgeable tourist who is looking to make his vacation more fun for less money. Not at dupes and marks looking for the next system.
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