Quote: NathanWhat exactly is 9/6 JOB, 6/5 JOB and Let It Ride games? I see those terms on here from time to time, especially things like "9/6 JOB is horrible, should have played 6/5 JOB instead(Or is it backwards?) I have a blank face when I see these three terms. My face looks like -.- On a side note and very honest one, I am too lazy to go look up these three terms on Google. ;)
JOB is "Jacks Or Better". It is the name of a variant of Video Poker.
Other such variants are DWFP which stands for Deuces Wild Full Pay.
Video Poker is a slot machine that is Poker themed which when first introduced had been designed and tested for poker players following reasonable poker strategies but some guy named Bob Dancer figured out that by playing a very unreasonable poker strategy and solely going for a big win known as a Royal Flush he could quietly make millions.
I think the 9/6 or 6/5 stuff refers to various payout rates within the game since some casinos offer different payout tables for winding up with the various poker hands that are possible.
Let It Ride is a card game that is generally lumped into the same group known as Carnival games. So LIR would be often found near a Pai Gow Poker table or a Three Card Poker table. These games have house edges that are "not bad". Blackjack can have a better house edge but for someone like me to whom Basic Strategy is roughly equivalent to theoretical physics these various Carnival Games are a god send.
Let It Ride is often referred to by dealers as 'Let It Die" and some dealers consider it a punishment detail to which they are assigned for some transgression such as making mistakes in other games they dealt or making a pass at the Pit Boss's wife. You make an initial bet and then you get later opportunities to either pay to keep that bet live or you stop paying and give up. I didn't quite understand it when I played it but I think I had a tolerant dealer who allowed a neophyte to make mistakes.
By the way, thanks for asking these questions. I just realized with my 15-15 projected score in basketball how ignorant I was since I had no idea that most ncaa games are in the 60 to 80 point ranges. In truth, I simply did not know what a reasonable score might be.
Quote: NathanWhat exactly is 9/6 JOB, 6/5 JOB and Let It Ride games? I see those terms on here from time to time, especially things like "9/6 JOB is horrible, should have played 6/5 JOB instead(Or is it backwards?) I have a blank face when I see these three terms. My face looks like -.- On a side note and very honest one, I am too lazy to go look up these three terms on Google. ;)
glad to see you are considering moving away from slots - at least to the point of sometimes playing something without an insane HE.
You really can't avoid a little more study, and yes, when it comes to jargon part of the purpose is for one group to have little secrets over another [but it's also for verbal economy]. I often complain. For what I do know about, I am also guilty, as in the following [I'll assume tho we are communicating OK]
In the case of 9/6 vs 6/5 JOB, take a look a the paytables. Players have learned that in JOB the alterations that come into play to affect the HE are done almost exclusively on the "full house" and "flush" pays. Look at some paytables. You look at the one unit column for a quick reference and when 9 units are the pay for full house and 6 units are the pay for flush, that is looking good. Lower figures take away. There are tables at WoO to get the facts.
Let it Ride I don't know about.
https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/basics/#toc-ReturnTables
The player bets 3 spots, the same amount on each. He is then dealt 3 cards.
After looking at those cards, he can either take his first bet back, leaving 2, or "Let it Ride" and see a dealer card.
The players will complete their hand using (sharing) the dealer's 2 cards. Once everyone has either withdrawn a bet or signaled they will continue, the dealer shows a card.
The players again decide whether to withdraw or let ride their second bet. They are done betting either way, and put their cards on the table. They now have 1, 2, or 3 bets active.
The dealer turns his second card, and pays a player who has a pair of 10s or better among all 5 cards. If not, any bets they left active will lose.
All active bets that win will get paid odds for that hand . 10s or better get 1 to 1, 2 pairs win 2 to 1, etc.
It's very simple. A new player will understand how to play within a couple of hands.
The worst pays 6 for a full house and 5 for a flush. 6/5 JOB.
The other paylines remain constant.
For more info, read the Wizards other site:
https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/jacks-or-better/9-6/simple/
Quote: NathanThanks for the replies! :D I am grateful that I now know what JOB in gambling means and what 9/6 and what 6/5 means and somewhat have a better idea of what Let It Ride is. :D
Another aspect to consider:
9/6 Jacks or Better video poker has a payback percentage of 99.5%
6/5 JoB has a payback pct. of 95.5%
(Assuming perfect strategy)
From what I understand about the speed of play that is required to grind out any winnings, perfect strategy is not too likely.Quote: smoothgrh(Assuming perfect strategy)
Quote: FleaStiff
Let It Ride is often referred to by dealers as 'Let It Die" and some dealers consider it a punishment detail to which they are assigned for some transgression such as making mistakes in other games they dealt or making a pass at the Pit Boss's wife.
I have had to deal it a few times at the casino parties. Longest 2-3 hours of my life.
Quote: AZDuffmanI have had to deal it a few times at the casino parties. Longest 2-3 hours of my life.
Really? I actually enjoyed playing it. Though I have heard that dealers don't always seem quite thrilled about it.
Quote: FleaStiffFrom what I understand about the speed of play that is required to grind out any winnings, perfect strategy is not too likely.
Do you mean one has to play fast to get toward the number of hands that will result in a big win?
So, it wouldn't behoove me to sit there with my iPad, checking the Video Poker Wizard app for 3-to-a-straight flush vs. J-Q offsuit?
Quote: smoothgrhDo you mean one has to play fast to get toward the number of hands that will result in a big win?
So, it wouldn't behoove me to sit there with my iPad, checking the Video Poker Wizard app for 3-to-a-straight flush vs. J-Q offsuit?
If you are playing a 6/5 job game, the slower you play the less you lose. Now that I think about it, that's probably true for most games played as intended.
Quote: FleaStiffFrom what I understand about the speed of play that is required to grind out any winnings, perfect strategy is not too likely.
I don't agree with that. Especially with 9-6 JoB, which must be the easiest VP game to learn perfectly. There are only six adjustments between Basic and Advanced Strategy.
Pick'em is pretty easy also. Beyond these two games I guess things get a little tougher, but that's what makes VP fun.
I don't know how the word Dow fits in. Google is equally mystified.
Quote: prozemaPai Gow is a table game played with tiles (dominoes). There is also a variant of the game played with cards called Pai gow poker. There is lots of good information on the wizard of odds site, including a training app, but it's basically a high / low game vs a dealer hand. Asians like the game.
I don't know how the word Dow fits in. Google is equally mystified.
I have edited out the "Dow," part from my post. :) ;)
Quote: NathanI also would like to know what Pai Gow game is. I am interested in knowing what that is, I think the first time I heard about it was a guy admitting he scammed innocent tourists out of money just so he could play it.
You are thinking of Pai Gow Poker. In California and I think Florida they have cars rooms with weird laws that allow gambling if a player banks. The scam game from some agreement to do that banking.
In a normal casino, generally the house banks (although the player does have the option).
Look up Wizardss strategy. Its a great, low house edge, slow playing table game that is very easy to learn.
Nathan... For a second there I got excited. I thought you found a new Pai gow variant where you are given a small portfolio of stocks to arrange after making a bet.
Quote: prozemaI wish someone would invent Pai gow tri-ominoes. If any game needs to be made more complex, it's Pai gow tiles.
Nathan... For a second there I got excited. I thought you found a new Pai gow variant where you are given a small portfolio of stocks to arrange after making a bet.
LMAO! :D
This Pai Gow (Tiles) stuff is for those who do theoretical physics and crossword puzzles in their head. House Way? The House Way is to bamboozle.
The rankings of the tiles and the four-step basic strategy can be learned in a few hours, and that will get you to the table.
Then after that you can get as complicated as you want learning the hardcore strategies and exceptions and all that stuff.
Quote: NathanWhat is a Bad Beat? For one particular local casino promotion, they were promoting Bad Beat. I was like,"Isn't "bad" well bad? Why would you want a Bad Beat? ! I really don't want to go look it up on Google. ;)
A bad beat usually refers to a poker based game where the player loses even though they have a hand that typically wins. On most poker based table games where the dealer takes a hand, it is a side bet. In live poker rooms part of each pot is raked into a jackpot. Usually in live poker it requires losing with quads. Table games have various paytables.
I think different poker rooms define it differently and have rules of minimum pots, etc. but usually the winner gets a pretty penny and the loser gets some plus everyone at the table shares and sometimes everyone in the poker room at that moment gets a share.
In some poker rooms players play more for the special jackpots than the game itself and this is often the death knell of a poker room.
A bad beat is when you get picked as a MOD over OD.Quote: prozemaA bad beat usually refers to a poker based game where the player loses even though they have a hand that typically wins. On most poker based table games where the dealer takes a hand, it is a side bet. In live poker rooms part of each pot is raked into a jackpot. Usually in live poker it requires losing with quads. Table games have various paytables.
For both of you.
Quote: prozemaI voted for Nathan.
Thank you for the literal vote of confidence! :D
Quote: prozemaFor a live poker game, you are close. The bad beat does not take away any of the amount the winner is due, but a side prize is awarded that typically makes the win or lose a moot point.
I wonder how much the typical side prize is.
Quote: NathanI wonder how much the typical side prize is.
Its not unusual to see a Texas holdem bad beat well over$20k. Omaha bad beats are a lot lower.... $1kish.
For live poker here in Jax, the Bad Beat Jackpot is currently over $220k, with a qualifier of quad 10's (both cards in your hand must play). The way it works is 50% goes to the player who loses with a qualifying hand, 25% goes to the winner, and the remaining 25% gets divided up among the remaining players at the table who were dealt in that hand.Quote: NathanI wonder how much the typical side prize is.
For example, say you start with pocket 10's, and I have JQh, and the board is 10h Kh 9h 10s 2d. At showdown, your quad 10's would lose to my straight flush. If the jackpot was at $220k, you would get $110k, I would get $55k, and everyone else at the table would split $55k evenly.
However, as mentioned previously, when you are not talking about a jackpot situation, the term 'bad beat' means something a little different. It refers to a situation where a player is an overwhelming favorite to win the hand after the flop or the turn, and ends up losing.
The 'worst' example I have seen at the tables was when one player flopped a full house and got beaten by an opponent who hit runner-runner quads. In this case, the player had a full house after the first 3 cards were dealt and was a 99+% percent favorite to win the hand. The only way for the opponent to win was to draw the only two cards in the deck that would have turned his pocket pair into four of a kind. And that is what happened.
In this sense, I wouldn't call my jackpot example above a 'bad beat' because although you may have been a slight favorite (~55%) to win the hand at the start, once the flop came out, you would have had no chance of winning the hand. I would call that a 'tough' beat, but not necessarily 'bad.' But you wouldn't care because you'd be $110k richer. Don't forget to tip your dealer! :)
Ya, but what would they be expecting for that? Probably 10k, and they would be pissed off unless you gave them at least 5k. Sorry, but I'm not giving a dealer 10k for doing his/her job. I'm already tipping on most pots.Quote: JoemanDon't forget to tip your dealer! :)
So, if they are expecting 10k and they won't be happy unless they get at least 5k( I'm not tipping 5k either) I mise well just give them 1k. If I really thought they would be happy with $2500 I would tip that, but I know they will not truly be happy with that. 1k it is.
If a dealer deals me a bad beat and there is no bad beat jackpot, will the dealer make up my losses on the bad beat?
How much do people tip the cashiers and lottery people when they win?
Not one red cent. Though the men usually promise a trip to the British Virgin Islands to the girl at the grocery store who sells them the ticket. It doesn't mean he has the slightest intention of delivering on that promise.Quote: AxelWolfHow much do people tip the cashiers and lottery people when they win?
Everyone knows the lottery is a rip off and is a governmental organization.
But that would be an insider trading violation. Employees arent allowed to tell you which games are currently paying out well.Quote: NathanIt would have been somewhat reasonable if he told me that particular game had been paying out well and suggested I buy it).
Quote: FleaStiffHow would a cashier at some gas station even know? He doesn't pay attention. He just wants a tip that he has in no way earned. Its like paying a commission on 'the numbers'.
I know! Asking for a tip just because I won somewhat big! I should have told him off instead but I thought it would be really awkward.
What sport does the team known as Vegas Knights play. I thought it was basketball that was now a las vegas franchise but apparently its not.
Are the Sports Books really worried about those early tickets they wrote? Is it going to be Pawn Your Rolexes for the ticket writers?
Quote: FleaStiffOkay. Now I'm going to post one of these stupid questions I should be too ashamed to ask:
What sport does the team known as Vegas Knights play. I thought it was basketball that was now a las vegas franchise but apparently its not.
Are the Sports Books really worried about those early tickets they wrote? Is it going to be Pawn Your Rolexes for the ticket writers?
Las Vegas Golden Knights play the game of Canadian ice hockey.
Quote: NathanI know! Asking for a tip just because I won somewhat big! I should have told him off instead but I thought it would be really awkward.
This is why you didn't get the mod gig. You've got to learn to bare your teeth, at a minimum.
You tell the cashier next time, you'll give them just the tip and I bet they'll be scared.Quote: NathanI had a Gas store attendant a while back beg me for a tip after I won big on a $2 scratch off, like $100. He begged me for like $5. It was so awkward and although I tipped him, I felt so put off put that he begged me for a tip. That's bad customer service. Gas station attendants shouldn't beg tips! All you did was ring me up! I chose the game on my own!(It would have been somewhat reasonable if he told me that particular game had been paying out well and suggested I buy it).
Quote: onenickelmiracleYou tell the cashier next time, you'll give them just the tip and I bet they'll be scared.
Just to see how it feels?
I rode my bike to the cemetery yesterday.Quote: prozemaJust to see how it feels?