Trump's Second and Third year in office
Quote: beachbumbabsBoz,
Glad you're enjoying Montana.
I don't have a party. I will never be a Democrat. The Republicans have gone rogue. I have no idea who is going to emerge to coalesce the resistance, but someone is out there.
Rick Scott is an idiot. And a thief. I will be working against him. If you lived here full time, you'd know.
Mark Sanford was a great public servant and a great Republican. I've known him since 1992. He criticized Trump, very correctly, and lost in his primary Tuesday because of it, to a Trumper with little experience and no useful ideas or skills.
It's a cult of personality, and it will crumble without any real basis for unity or growth. I can hardly wait.
I don't like Rick Scott either. As soon as the poster mentioned Rick Scott, my very first thought was"Rick Scott gives me the creeps. I feel my skin crawl when I think of him. Something is just not right about him! He looks like a creepy reptile!" But you had already beaten me to the punch.
Trump health care plan. but he can't help you if you have a pre-existing condition. sorry. maybe try taking vitamins.
Quote: TigerWuIt started with the end of the Fairness Doctrine and the rise of cable news. Then it ramped up after 9/11, and again in 2008 like you said.
The media was biased before the end of the Fairness Doctrine. Its end was a good thing. But its end did start something. People who were used to not being challenged were suddenly challenged. People realized they were not the only one who did not disagree with what they were being fed. It made the left on places like college campuses get active and eventually violent.
Quote: AZDuffmanReminds me of some folks here:
I am sure this image will be studied in years to come
People will ask why the Republican party thought a candidate who elicited that type of reaction was actually the best candidate for re-election and the country
Quote: darkoz
I am sure this image will be studied in years to come
People will ask why the Republican party thought a candidate who elicited that type of reaction was actually the best candidate for re-election and the country
Maybe better to ask why the other side was just so crazy about anything that said candidate did or said?
FWIW, it is not up to the GOP to really care that Democrats do not like their guy. Or Democrats the same. You will always have people who will not like or approve of the candidate of the other party. Reagan was probably the most popular modern POTUS but people that hated him hated him.
Maybe it is so much more news now, but the hate has really been elevated. Here in Pittsburgh, the liberal newspaper just had to fire their liberal op-ed cartoonist for too much Trump bashing. At least 2 posters on the forums here have left or near left because they could not handle that not everyone hated Trump.
It has gotten all-consuming to some. And that is what I think will be studied in the future. Assuming a USA not broken apart within 50 years (my prediction.)
Quote: AZDuffman
Assuming a USA not broken apart within 50 years (my prediction.)
Which part of MAGA does this prediction fit into?
Quote: darkozWhich part of MAGA does this prediction fit into?
Getting rid of California, maybe.
Seriously, just because I want to MAGA does not mean I do not see the forces that are moving. Just as the Civil War was bound to happen. Andrew Jackson could not have prevented it had he been POTUS in the 1850s, nor IMHO can a split be stopped based on our current path. Jackson might have delayed the Civil War a few years. Trump may delay a split. But we are on a path to a split. Just being a realist.
Quote: RSI don’t think I will ever understand liberal thinking. It makes absolutely no sense to me. I mean, I get why younger people might think that kinda stuff, but grown up adults?! It’s truly sickening, to be honest.
How do you define “liberal thinking”?
Quote: RSI don’t think I will ever understand liberal thinking. It makes absolutely no sense to me. I mean, I get why younger people might think that kinda stuff, but grown up adults?! It’s truly sickening, to be honest.
Whenever someone asks me why I'm a Democrat, I have a simple response:
I'm not rich.
I'm not religious.
I'm not a racist.
Therefore, I'm not a Republican.
Quote: ams288Whenever someone asks me why I'm a Democrat, I have a simple response:
I'm not rich.
I'm not religious.
I'm not a racist.
Therefore, I'm not a Republican.
Plenty of dems ar rich. Look at Hollywood and the hamptons to start.
Plenty of dems are religious. Their religion is global warming.
What does being a republican have to do with racism? Democrats are history the party of racist groups.
When people ask why I am registered Republican my answer is more simple. I say I work for a living.
Quote: AZDuffmanPlenty of dems ar rich. Look at Hollywood and the hamptons to start.
Perhaps their aversion to religion and racism outweighs the financial incentives of voting Republican.
Quote:Plenty of dems are religious. Their religion is global warming.
This isn't clever and doesn't refute my point.
Quote:What does being a republican have to do with racism? Democrats are history the party of racist groups.
Gaslighting. Not worth a response.
In some ways I agree with ZenKing, people are such sheep.
Quote: ams288Perhaps their aversion to religion and racism outweighs the financial incentives of voting Republican.
If they want to be haters that is fine. What GOP racism are you talking about?
Quote:This isn't clever and doesn't refute my point.
Not clever, it is true. GW belief has all the tenants of religious belief. GW believers are the same as believers of those TV evangelists, send away your money and change your life while the leaders fly private jets and have their drivers idle the SUV they came in so the A/C keeps it cool.
Quote:Gaslighting. Not worth a response.
Ah, but you are fine when it is you claiming the GOP is the racist party, eh?
Quote: AZDuffman
Ah, but you are fine when it is you claiming the GOP is the racist party, eh?
Yes.
Not all Republicans are racist.
But in 2018, all racists are Republican.
Quote: BozYou know the bleeding hearts think they have a winning issue with the separation of criminals and their children when 4 of the top 5 stories on the Huff post are about it. They even rolled Laura Bush out today to use. No shane at all with this bunch.
It is the latest thing they all seem to have decided to give push to at the same time. FB is blown up with it. Libs must really have nothing at the moment.
Quote: BozYou know the bleeding hearts think they have a winning issue with the separation of criminals and their children when 4 of the top 5 stories on the Huff post are about it. They even rolled Laura Bush out today to use. No shane at all with this bunch.
Here we go. We got a rightie defended locking children up in cages.
Good luck in the midterms!
https://pagesix.com/2018/06/17/samuel-l-jackson-under-fire-for-alleged-homophobic-tweet/
Their hatred of Trump brings out their true feelings against gays. Sad.
Quote: BozAnd yet Hollywood liberals like Sammy Jackson see oral sex between men as an insult.
https://pagesix.com/2018/06/17/samuel-l-jackson-under-fire-for-alleged-homophobic-tweet/
Their hatred of Trump brings out their true feelings against gays. Sad.
Quote: ams288Here we go. We got a rightie defended locking children up in cages.
Good luck in the midterms!
Like everything else the media pushes, they will move on from this story onto the next one in a few days. Like Russia, the Extra Tape, Stormy, Rudy and everything else, there will something new tomorrow.
This will not be a midterm issue and you know it. The house will be close in November but not because of these issues, it will be decided by turnout. And as much as liberals want to say it, Trump isn’t on the ballot. No different than Obana not being on the ballot in 10 & 14. It’s hard to get a segment of the voting population excited for midterms.
Sad that voters of both parties don’t get how important these elections are.
Quote: RSI don’t think I will ever understand liberal thinking. It makes absolutely no sense to me. I mean, I get why younger people might think that kinda stuff, but grown up adults?! It’s truly sickening, to be honest.
I was a pretty hard core republican immigrant.
Voted for Reagan
Voted for Dole over Bill Clinton
I was very anti-communist anti-Russia and for low govt spending
An atheist fiscal republican that supports the justice dept, gay marriage, abortion and freedom of the press
Then
Spending exploded under Bush and the Republican went all in on religion being against gay marriage, abortion and hatred for immigrants. Trump loves Russia and hates our justice dept and hates freedom of the press
Really a no brainer for me
Still a registered republican but vote Dem
Quote: ams288
No change at all, I say give them their kids back. Right after they head back to where they came from.
As a great man once said, they are not sending us their best and brightest. These are people that will be dependent on the system for a period of time. And I for one don’t want Americans tax money being wasted on them.
Quote: BozQuote: ams288
No change at all, I say give them their kids back. Right after they head back to where they came from.
"No change at all?" Then WTF does Sam Jackson's blow job tweet have to do with the children in cages?!?!
LOLOLOL
Quote: RSI don’t think I will ever understand liberal thinking. It makes absolutely no sense to me. I mean, I get why younger people might think that kinda stuff, but grown up adults?! It’s truly sickening, to be honest.
What exactly do you think a "liberal" is?
Are you sure you're not thinking of the far-left or communists or something?
Quote: ams288Quote: BozQuote: ams288
No change at all, I say give them their kids back. Right after they head back to where they came from.
"No change at all?" Then WTF does Sam Jackson's blow job tweet have to do with the children in cages?!?!
LOLOLOL
All you have to do is look at the time stamps and see that was in the middle of posting Sammy’s horrible comment about his beliefs before you posted your comment back to me. You can also see I did post an continuation of that discussion 14 seconds after your changing the debate post. So obviously I was in the middle of replying. We are allowed to add new discussions here I believe.
Nice try, but the facts tell a different story.
LOLOLOLOL
Quote: BozSo obviously I was in the middle of replying. We are allowed to add new discussions here I believe.
Yes, your concern about a Hollywood liberal's tweet seems sincere and from the heart, and not like an attempt to quickly divert the conversation away from a losing one for the righties.
I personally don't even think the tweet was homophobic. It was funny!
Quote: BozYou know the bleeding hearts think they have a winning issue with the separation of criminals and their children when 4 of the top 5 stories on the Huff post are about it. They even rolled Laura Bush out today to use. No shane at all with this bunch.
In some ways I agree with ZenKing, people are such sheep.
Asking for asylum at the border is not a crime in this country. Yet they are separating those people from their children too
So if you are for separating criminals from their children why are you also for separating lawful abiding immigrants
Your view seems to be similar to a casino lumping APs in with cheaters
A strange view given this forum
Quote: ams288Yes, your concern about a Hollywood liberal's tweet seems sincere and from the heart, and not like an attempt to quickly divert the conversation away from a losing one for the righties.
I personally don't even think the tweet was homophobic. It was funny!
The tweet shows how bad TDS is with people, Sammy included. Nothing Trump has done affects him in any negative way. Other than possibly reducing his taxes on his “Snakes on a Plane” residuals.
Turn it around and if a GOPer had made a post equating male on male oral sex as a negative, your opinion might have been different. And if you were not offended, there would be plenty others on the left that would be.
And call me uneducated on the subject, but why would someone even need mints afterwards?
Quote: darkozAsking for asylum at the border is not a crime in this country. Yet they are separating those people from their children too
So if you are for separating criminals from their children why are you also for separating lawful abiding immigrants
Your view seems to be similar to a casino lumping APs in with cheaters
A strange view given this forum
A strange comparison, not sure where you came up with that.
The Secretary seems to disagree with you.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SecNielsen/status/1008467103857463298
Quote: darkozAsking for asylum at the border is not a crime in this country. Yet they are separating those people from their children too
But they are not looking for asylum. They are just trying to sneak in, illegally. Trying to leave your own country just because another country has more handouts is not "asylum."
Libs think they have a winning issue with this. Really, it will change no views. And it just again shows they care more about illegal aliens than working Americans. Probably will cost them more of their declining share of the White voters.
Quote: BozAnd if you were not offended, there would be plenty others on the left that would be.
Yes, this is true. Many on the left get offended over every little thing.
I am not one of those lefties.
Quote: BozA strange comparison, not sure where you came up with that.
The Secretary seems to disagree with you.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SecNielsen/status/1008467103857463298
She also tweeted that there is no policy of separating families at the border, which is a complete lie. So she may not be the best source on this topic.
Quote: BozA strange comparison, not sure where you came up with that.
The Secretary seems to disagree with you.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SecNielsen/status/1008467103857463298
When it comes to treating APs like criminals so do casinos
Quote: ams288She also tweeted that there is no policy of separating families at the border, which is a complete lie. So she may not be the best source on this topic.
Here's the info you were looking for...
Quote: AZDuffmanBut they are not looking for asylum. They are just trying to sneak in, illegally. Trying to leave your own country just because another country has more handouts is not "asylum."
Libs think they have a winning issue with this. Really, it will change no views. And it just again shows they care more about illegal aliens than working Americans. Probably will cost them more of their declining share of the White voters.
Why do you confuse the two
Im not arguing for those sneaking in. They do exist
But asking for asylum is not sneaking in. This is common sense
If I knock on your door do you call the pokice and say someone is attempting to break in?
I suppose someone with your mindset does
Quote: beachbumbabsThe party is no longer anything resembling the one I joined - nobody left to stand up to him, even with the power to do so.
Geez Babs! He has been in office 1.5 years and has passed how many pieces of legislation with BOTH houses of Congress being REPUBLICAN? You say 'nobody left to stand up to him? The EVIDENCE shows exactly the opposite! When BHO wanted to pass Obamacare there wasn't a SINGLE Democrat who would stand up to him(to even just allow time to even read the bill!). But there have been MULTIPLE Republicans who have stood up to DJT, with respect to repealing Obamacare, immigration, the budget, etc... Correct me if I'm wrong, but the ONLY significant piece of legislation passed has been the tax cut bill?
Quote: BozAs a great man once said, they are not sending us their best and brightest. These are people that will be dependent on the system for a period of time. And I for one don’t want Americans tax money being wasted on them.
interesting
You referring to my Uncle Jack
That's what my Uncle Jack said regarding my relatives on the other side of the family back in the early 1960's
It was a pretty brutal discussion pitting family members against family members.
I love all my relatives. All hard working. 1/2 born in this country, the other 1/2 born overseas like me.
All the relatives on both sides (except Uncle Jack) love each other and get along great and work hard supporting their families
Nobody in the family these days speaks to my Uncle Jack
We much prefer to hang out with my other Uncle, DR Lin
Quote: beachbumbabs
Rick Scott is an idiot. And a thief. I will be working against him. If you lived here full time, you'd know.
I’ll admit I haven’t followed him closely but like many Florida elections it seems very close. Real Clear Politics has Scott with a slight lead but within the margin of error.
I know he signed the token gun bill after Parkland standing up to the NRA and seems to have done a good job after Wilma last year.
I’m sure Trump will be having multiple rallies to support him if the race stays close as this is a seat the GOP can pickup.
Will be a fun race to watch all fall for those of us who enjoy this stuff.
Quote: darkoz
Im not arguing for those sneaking in. They do exist
But asking for asylum is not sneaking in. This is common sense
If I knock on your door do you call the pokice and say someone is attempting to break in?
I suppose someone with your mindset does
It is just another way of sneaking in. There is no war or persecution going on in Mexico.
This is just the latest liberal hysteria. Weeks ago, liberals were defending illegal alien gang members. Now it is just people sneaking in. Lost in their outrage are hard working Americans just trying to make a living.
Quote: AZDuffmanIt is just another way of sneaking in. There is no war or persecution going on in Mexico.
This is just the latest liberal hysteria. Weeks ago, liberals were defending illegal alien gang members. Now it is just people sneaking in. Lost in their outrage are hard working Americans just trying to make a living.
PLEASE CLARIFY
ARE YOU FOR people being treated like criminals when no laws were broken
Dont give me your opinion on what asking for asylum is
Asking for asylum is not illegal per this countries laws
Its really a simple question
Quote: AZDuffmanliberals were defending illegal alien gang members.
Wait, what?
Who specifically was defending illegal alien gang members?
Quote: SOOPOOGeez Babs! He has been in office 1.5 years and has passed how many pieces of legislation with BOTH houses of Congress being REPUBLICAN? You say 'nobody left to stand up to him? The EVIDENCE shows exactly the opposite! When BHO wanted to pass Obamacare there wasn't a SINGLE Democrat who would stand up to him(to even just allow time to even read the bill!). But there have been MULTIPLE Republicans who have stood up to DJT, with respect to repealing Obamacare, immigration, the budget, etc... Correct me if I'm wrong, but the ONLY significant piece of legislation passed has been the tax cut bill?
A record number of Republicans have either resigned or are not running for re-election. They are nearly all never-Trumpers. Your Speaker is even walking away, and he was in line to be President, but has instead shown that he can't even get his own majority in line to do anything.
Nearly every sitting Republican has gone down that participated in special elections. The Democrats' biggest problem is so much activism they're stepping on each other's candidacies.
Oh, and keep telling yourself that the white vote is climbing for Trump, AZD. Any white males you're picking up (doubtful) are more than offset by white females turning away in disgust. The party is resorting to purging the Jamals and Juans off the voter rolls just to dampen the shellacking they expect.
Note: I misspoke on the date I started lobbying Mark Sanford. It was 1994, not 1992. And he's a real loss to fiscal prudence and sensible politics. Such a bright guy. Good pilot, too. He'll still be living in Charleston, and I bet he's not done, but it will depend on what happens in the midterms whether he gets back in somewhere.
I do think a fair amount of people in that district will backlash and the seat may flip. Can't really tell atm because I don't know enough about the Democratic who's running.
Quote: Cunningham website
Joe Cunningham is a problem solver at heart.
As an attorney, Joe has prosecuted criminals and pursued justice on behalf of those who have been wronged. Before becoming an attorney, he worked as an ocean engineer ensuring the marine environment was protected.
Joe is the youngest of five boys and was raised by parents that taught him to stand up and fight whenever he saw injustice in the world. As your Congressman, Joe will be a pragmatic voice who will put country over party by advocating for common sense solutions to protect you, your family, the Lowcountry and our future.
Look the hell out, SC 1.
Quote: darkozPLEASE CLARIFY
ARE YOU FOR people being treated like criminals when no laws were broken
I will give a simple answer.
I am for people trying to enter illegally being treated like criminals. If they try to claim asylum when that is not a valid claim, they are trying to enter illegally.
We cannot give free passes because every illegal alien claims asylum.
Quote: beachbumbabsA record number of Republicans have either resigned or are not running for re-election. They are nearly all never-Trumpers. Your Speaker is even walking away, and he was in line to be President, but has instead shown that he can't even get his own majority in line to do anything.
Many are walking away because they are term-limited for committee chairmansips and such. This is from the Contract With America back in 1994. Never-Trumpers leaving is fine with me and a good thing.
Quote:Oh, and keep telling yourself that the white vote is climbing for Trump, AZD. Any white males you're picking up (doubtful) are more than offset by white females turning away in disgust. The party is resorting to purging the Jamals and Juans off the voter rolls just to dampen the shellacking they expect.
Really? I thought Hillary said that she lost because of all those white women voting like their men told them to? The pattern is clear, the Democrat Party has written off the White vote. Trump is making working-class Whites vote GOP similar to how Reagan did. A White guy working in a factory is going to respond better to a POTUS who is defending his job than to a Democrat who is defending illegal aliens. The White females "in disgust" are probably just liberals who will vote Democrat in any case. Turning off the biggest demo group is not wise politics. Trump may even dent the Democrat stronghold on Blacks if Black unemployment keeps falling.
BTW: Purging voter roles of people who are probably dead or moved is a good thing. We do not need vote fraud.
Quote: TigerWuWait, what?
Who specifically was defending illegal alien gang members?
About a month ago. Trump called the MS-13 gang members "animals" and liberals left and right said he was being racist and they were not.
Quote: AZDuffmanAbout a month ago. Trump called the MS-13 gang members "animals" and liberals left and right said he was being racist and they were not.
I didn't see any of that. Must have been just a few loudmouth bloggers.
Quote: TigerWuI didn't see any of that. Must have been just a few loudmouth bloggers.
Just the same loudmouth bloggers and other people now defending illegal aliens entering the country. It was all over the place. Unless you were on vacation and not online you would have seen it.
Quote: AZDuffmanJust the same loudmouth bloggers and other people now defending illegal aliens entering the country. It was all over the place. Unless you were on vacation and not online you would have seen it.
Okay, man. Whatever you say.
Quote: TigerWuOkay, man. Whatever you say.
When AZ says that Donald specified that "MS-13 gang members" were animals, he's not exactly being honest with what was said. (*gasp*)
Quote:“We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in — we’re stopping a lot of them,” Mr. Trump said in the Cabinet Room during an hourlong meeting that reporters were allowed to document. “You wouldn’t believe how bad these people are. These aren’t people, these are animals, and we’re taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that’s never happened before.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/us/politics/trump-undocumented-immigrants-animals.html
Quote: ams288When AZ says that Donald specified that "MS-13 gang members" were animals, he's not exactly being honest with what was said. (*gasp*)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/us/politics/trump-undocumented-immigrants-animals.html
AZ believes he is correct because he believes all mexican immigrants are MS-13
