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April 17th, 2019 at 4:56:13 PM permalink
Quote: Steverinos

What WOULD be shady is if they hold the presser before they release the



This is so great, I've never seen the Dems
so triggered. 4, count em, 4, investigations
have been done into Trump. FBI, the House,
the Senate, and now Mueller. And they found
NOTHING to hang on the President. So now
they have themselves worked up into an
literal frenzy that there's a cover up going on.

This is better than election night. The schaden
I'm getting out of this is off the charts. LOL!!
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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April 17th, 2019 at 5:01:54 PM permalink
Sound that can produce physical harm to humans start at around 150 decibels. Wind turbines, sitting directly under them, produce around 105 decibels.

So no, wind turbines don't cause cancer, unlike coal, which has been widely studied and proven to cause cancer and other heart and lung problems. It's just another stupid idiotic thing our President says on a daily basis. And he gets to shape public policy. Awesome.

We should all be so proud because...umm...because wages are up 0.8% when accounting for inflation. (But still lower than they were in the 70s)

/golf clap
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April 17th, 2019 at 5:32:28 PM permalink
Quote: Steverinos

His own mouth isn't good enough? That's not "real" enough? (It wasn't the first time we talked about this either) Maybe the problem isn't with the source but rather your receptors are a little out of whack.


It's good practice to not quote something out of context. Out of context, I could probably find a quote from Wizard saying the martingale system works. Of course, that wouldn't be honest (I'm not a liberal who lies) because the real quote is probably something like.....and there are some people who think the martingale system works.

"And they say the noise causes cancer, you tell me that one, okay?" *Circling motion with his large hand.* "Reer, reer, ya know the thing makes [unintelligible] and of course it's like a graveyard for birds."
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April 17th, 2019 at 6:20:44 PM permalink
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I watched almost all of that MSNBC video you posted. More evidence to me of why I don't watch msm. It rather sickened me. They obviously had an agenda.


Oh no. I never really meant to post that entire segment. I just wanted the Trump soundbite. I actually played it, but only the 1st 20 seconds to check the soundbite. I went no further. No idea of the rest. I posted something I barely watched. my bad. Even I don't watch MSNBC and I lean left. It was at the top of the youtube on the search I did.

Quote: petroglyph


I actually just returned from my alternative health practitioners office. Cancer is a huge topic, and I can't say what all I believe about the causes, without sounding like I am defending Trump. I am wondering about 5G though?


Wow
Really sorry about this.
I really hope the best for you. I wonder about cancer and how some people get it and some don't and it seems random with some types of cancer. Friends and relatives have died from cancer. I'm sure just about every member here has had that happen. It sucks. Not a good subject to joke about and of course I'm guilty.
Really hope the best for you Petroglyph.
You post really good stuff even if I don't always agree
Get Well, this board is a better place with you :-)
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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April 17th, 2019 at 6:27:04 PM permalink
Noise-Induced Hearing Loss | NIDCD
https://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/noise-induced-hearing-loss
Sound is measured in units called decibels. Sounds of less than 75 decibels, even after long exposure, are unlikely to cause hearing loss. However, long or repeated exposure to sounds at or above 85 decibels can cause hearing loss. The louder the sound, the shorter the amount of time it takes for NIHL to happen.
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April 17th, 2019 at 6:37:07 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Oh no. I never really meant to post that entire segment. I just wanted the Trump soundbite. I actually played it, but only the 1st 20 seconds to check the soundbite. I went no further. No idea of the rest. I posted something I barely watched. my bad. Even I don't watch MSNBC and I lean left. It was at the top of the youtube on the search I did.

That's hilarious. lol

I was watching it and about a minute or two in, I was really like OMG, no wonder I can't communicate with some folks. haha
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April 17th, 2019 at 6:41:48 PM permalink
Quote: Steverinos

Quote: RS

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Quote: RS

You got a real source for that, or are you going to post the spin-version of it?



You could have just written “no” and gotten the same message across. Yawn. Try again. Yawn.



His own mouth isn't good enough? That's not "real" enough? (It wasn't the first time we talked about this either) Maybe the problem isn't with the source but rather your receptors are a little out of whack.

Maybe even the slightest touch of intellectual curiosity might prove instructive:

Disrupted sleep could accelerate cancer growth due to its negative effects on the immune system, according to new research in mice. In the study, published in thejournal Cancer Research, researchers split mice into two groups. One group of mice was allowed to sleep peacefully during the day (mice are nocturnal and typically sleep in the daytime), while the other mice had their sleep disturbed every two minutes with a motorized brush that swept through their cages; these mice were forced to wake up and go back to sleep. --huffpost via yahoonews

In the study, researchers from the University of Chicago and the University of Louisville disrupted the sleep of a group of mice and found the mice developed larger, more aggressive tumors than a group of well-rested mice. The researchers theorized that fragmented sleep changes how the immune system deals with cancer in a way that makes the disease more aggressive. The researchers also reported that the immune systems of the sleep-disrupted mice were less effective at fighting the early stages of cancer than the immune systems of the well-rested mice.--cleveland clinic
Is There a Connection Between Sleep and Lung Cancer?
Elaine K. Howley
,
U.S.News & World Report•February 28, 2018
We all know that getting a good night's rest is helpful for overall health and wellness. But that basic rule of thumb may be even more true than we realize when it comes to cancer. Emerging science has begun to suggest that the critical function of sleep may have more to do with whether you develop cancer, particularly lung cancer, and how quickly it progresses.
Scientists are still unraveling whether and how sleep and the development and progression of various kinds of cancer are linked, but there is some evidence indicating that there's a connection between lung cancer and sleep related to two other conditions: disruption of circadian rhythm and obstructive sleep apnea.
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April 17th, 2019 at 6:57:18 PM permalink
Looks like the Washington Post's website must have been hacked:

Admit it: Fox News has been right all along

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/15/admit-it-fox-news-has-been-right-all-along/?utm_term=.81c28ab35590
I quote part (emphasis in quote is mine)

Quote:

But for now, while partisans on the left may quibble, the fact remains that on the subject of collusion with Russia by President Trump or his campaign, Fox News was right and the others were wrong. For at least two years, MSNBC and CNN devoted hour upon hour, day after day, to promoting the narrative that Trump colluded with the Russians, and that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III was going to prove it. That turned out to be wrong.

new motto for the left: “I don't know if I received bad information, but I think I suspected there was more than there actually was,” (John Brennan Mar 25, 2019)
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April 17th, 2019 at 9:46:49 PM permalink
Quote: Fleaswatter

Looks like the Washington Post's website must have been hacked:

Admit it: Fox News has been right all along

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/15/admit-it-fox-news-has-been-right-all-along/?utm_term=.81c28ab35590
I quote part (emphasis in quote is mine)

Quote:

But for now, while partisans on the left may quibble, the fact remains that on the subject of collusion with Russia by President Trump or his campaign, Fox News was right and the others were wrong. For at least two years, MSNBC and CNN devoted hour upon hour, day after day, to promoting the narrative that Trump colluded with the Russians, and that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III was going to prove it. That turned out to be wrong.



Well, that soitently convinced me.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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April 18th, 2019 at 12:08:06 AM permalink
Quote: Fleaswatter

Looks like the Washington Post's website must have been hacked:

Admit it: Fox News has been right all along

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/15/admit-it-fox-news-has-been-right-all-along/?utm_term=.81c28ab35590
I quote part (emphasis in quote is mine)

Quote:

But for now, while partisans on the left may quibble, the fact remains that on the subject of collusion with Russia by President Trump or his campaign, Fox News was right and the others were wrong. For at least two years, MSNBC and CNN devoted hour upon hour, day after day, to promoting the narrative that Trump colluded with the Russians, and that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III was going to prove it. That turned out to be wrong.



Has Fox News so brainwashed it’s viewers that they actually believe the Washington Post doesn’t allow conservative voices on their opinion page? Yeesh.
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April 18th, 2019 at 12:49:19 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

??????????????????????????
This is so absurd and dumb

I have a feeling you will be saying one or more of them things, as will all the other people who have Trump derangement syndrome.

I'm not saying you have that.
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April 18th, 2019 at 4:34:39 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I have a feeling you will be saying one or more of them things, as will all the other people who have Trump derangement syndrome.

I'm not saying you have that.


I really don't understand why some conservatives don't get political opposition.
Republicans did not like Obama. I get that. Its simply political opposition. Nothing wrong with it. No syndrome at all. Its freedom.
Democrats don't like Trump and the right freaks out, don't get political opposition and instead tag the left with a derangement syndrome.
Why the hypocrisy?
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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April 18th, 2019 at 6:20:04 AM permalink
I don't know what will be in the report. It could well be damaging in many ways.

I am watching MSNBC; they are talking about the rebuttal allegedly being prepared by Trump's team and acting like that is unusual. I thought we expected their to be one...

"On Friday the dam broke and the leaks became a torrent. With the click of a computer mouse, the whole sordid tale--or at least Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr's rendition of it--suddenly was on the record and available to all. It soon was followed by a rebuttal from President Clinton's legal team."

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-09-13-9809140207-story.html
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April 18th, 2019 at 7:25:39 AM permalink
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I don't know what will be in the report. It could well be damaging in many ways.

I am watching MSNBC; they are talking about the rebuttal allegedly being prepared by Trump's team and acting like that is unusual. I thought we expected their to be one...

"On Friday the dam broke and the leaks became a torrent. With the click of a computer mouse, the whole sordid tale--or at least Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr's rendition of it--suddenly was on the record and available to all. It soon was followed by a rebuttal from President Clinton's legal team."

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-09-13-9809140207-story.html



No one expected the White House to be given an early look at this. The AG isn't supposed to work for the President, he works for the people.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction is supposed to make sense.
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April 18th, 2019 at 10:11:50 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

I don't know what will be in the report. It could well be damaging in many ways.


It appears that Trump's aides saved his ass by not following through with his orders to obstruct justice.

So much for him being the alpha male.
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April 18th, 2019 at 10:16:01 AM permalink
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It appears that Trump's aides saved his ass by not following through with his orders to obstruct justice.

So much for him being the alpha male.



Is that like me suggesting a bribe to a police officer , but if he doesn't take it, he won't arrest me for trying?
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April 18th, 2019 at 11:40:29 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

I really don't understand why some conservatives don't get political opposition.
Republicans did not like Obama. I get that. Its simply political opposition. Nothing wrong with it. No syndrome at all. Its freedom.
Democrats don't like Trump and the right freaks out, don't get political opposition and instead tag the left with a derangement syndrome.
Why the hypocrisy?


Republicans don’t like Obama and the left freaks out, don’t get political opposition and instead tag the right with being racists.
Why the hypocrisy?
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April 18th, 2019 at 12:01:40 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Republicans don’t like Obama and the left freaks out, don’t get political opposition and instead tag the right with being racists.
Why the hypocrisy?


I certainly dont think you are a racist. The right may include some racists but the right is not racist overall.
RS is not a racist
The right is not racist, just some conservatives are
Yet
Members have said I have TDS and members here have said the left has TDS
Why the hypocrisy
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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April 18th, 2019 at 12:07:16 PM permalink
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No one expected the White House to be given an early look at this. The AG isn't supposed to work for the President, he works for the people.



There are items in the report that could be subject to Executive Privilege--that means that at least parts of the report, if not the whole thing, needed be reviewed and a decision made on that issue. The President ended up waiving privilege.

Honestly...do you think anything was changed in the report due to these reviews for obvious (and legal) reasons?

I don't...and here is why...the Mueller team is still out there. Given the leaks and the way the political machine works, I expect that any change in material would be noticed and countered in some way (leak, original draft, etc.).

There is plenty of damaging information in the report; I expected that.
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April 18th, 2019 at 12:12:12 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Why the hypocrisy?



Quote: RS

Why the hypocrisy?



In all matters of political thought and action, the only thing that matters is the letter next to the persons name. That is why there will always be hypocrisy. And most of the time there will only be hypocrisy.

You guys provide such a perfect example
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April 18th, 2019 at 12:19:48 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

I really don't understand why some conservatives don't get political opposition.
Republicans did not like Obama. I get that. Its simply political opposition. Nothing wrong with it. No syndrome at all. Its freedom.
Democrats don't like Trump and the right freaks out, don't get political opposition and instead tag the left with a derangement syndrome.
Why the hypocrisy?

If you are asking me why the hypocrisy, I don't think that applies to me here. I don't think I'm a conservative.

I'm just selfish independent, when it comes to most issues. Mostly whatever benefits me the most now and in the near future.

I just think some people will always hate Trump no matter what. It seems to me people don't care what happens to our country or any other, as long as it makes Trump look bad just so people can come on here and say, "I told you so"

I didn't really care about Obama either way(I don't really care if he likes chicks with D****). I actually liked Bill Clinton. I hate both the Trump and former Obama administrations for not supporting online gambling.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 18th, 2019 at 12:22:06 PM permalink
Quote: TomG

In all matters of political thought and action, the only thing that matters is the letter next to the persons name. That is why there will always be hypocrisy. And most of the time there will only be hypocrisy.

You guys provide such a perfect example




I have always viewed the right as the loyal opposition. These people are pro America but just have different solutions
Trump views the left as the enemy and are against America and overall, the conservative agrees with Trump
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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April 18th, 2019 at 12:40:21 PM permalink
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If you are asking me why the hypocrisy, I don't think that applies to me here. I don't think I'm a conservative.

I'm just selfish independent, when it comes to most issues. Mostly whatever benefits me the most now and in the near future.

I just think some people will always hate Trump no matter what. It seems to me people don't care what happens to our country or any other, as long as it makes Trump look bad just so people can come on here and say, "I told you so"

I didn't really care about Obama either way(I don't really care if he likes chicks with D****). I actually liked Bill Clinton. I hate both the Trump and former Obama administrations for not supporting online gambling.



Did you ever think people hate Trump because he is a piece of shit that ruined tens of thousands of lives in NY and Atlantic City? That people who have followed him for years know what a sleaze he is? Do you really think my hatred( yes, hatred) for him affects my love of my Country? That I'd like to see the country fail just because American voters fell for a con man? I honestly pegged you as being better than that.
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April 18th, 2019 at 3:55:32 PM permalink
Rush had a great line today. He said
what we'll see now is the Left will
try their hardest to make chicken
salad out of chicken shit. Sums it
up brilliantly.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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April 18th, 2019 at 5:28:39 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Rush had a great line today. He said
what we'll see now is the Left will
try their hardest to make chicken
salad out of chicken shit. Sums it
up brilliantly.



Did he mention that Trump is still lying (no surprise) about what the Mueller report concluded? The report does not exonerate Trump on obstruction, as Trump keeps saying.
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April 18th, 2019 at 7:09:01 PM permalink
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Did he mention that Trump is still lying (no surprise) about what the Mueller report concluded? The report does not exonerate Trump on obstruction, as Trump keeps saying.



The fact that Mueller's report did not make a determination of guilt of innocence with respect to obstruction is irrelevant. Mueller's superiors at the DOJ made a determination that President Trump did not obstruct justice based their review of Mueller's report, hence President Trump WAS exonerated.
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April 18th, 2019 at 7:46:16 PM permalink
The report said damaging things about Trump, but I haven't heard or read a whole lot that we hadn't already had at least an inkling was going on. Some of it doesn't look pretty but none of it will end his Presidency before he is either defeated in his re-election campaign or he serves eight years (assuming no health issues precluding service).

At this point it would be good for our nation to put this behind us (though still using it as an issue in the campaign, if one wants to do do so) and start working towards getting something one. Perhaps infrastructure and many immigration could be starting points. I have no problem with people not liking...even hating...Trump, but spending your whole day railing against him is kind of a waste of time. He could block attempts to do things; that would not be a winner for him. His best bet could be Shifty and Jabba Nadler doing endless investigations.

I can always be wrong (unlike some here who are convince they are always right) but I think his best chance for winning in 2020 is endless investigations. I think the Dems have a shot if they can make real attempts to get things that done that a lot of people would like to see...not base stuff; things average Americans want. If you don't like the name calling, why do you do it? If you think you are the better American, be it...
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April 18th, 2019 at 7:50:37 PM permalink
Quote: Fleaswatter

President Trump WAS exonerated.


ROTFL
Thanks for the laugh

Donald Trump
""This is the end of my presidency. I'm fu**ed."
This quote will be remembered forever. Right up there with "I am not a crook"

I don't think he's fu**ed.
But
Its the best quote out of the report
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April 18th, 2019 at 9:15:51 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

ROTFL
Thanks for the laugh

Donald Trump
""This is the end of my presidency. I'm fu**ed."
This quote will be remembered forever. Right up there with "I am not a crook"

I don't think he's fu**ed.
But
Its the best quote out of the report


It’s a pretty straight line. Hard to disagree with that all things considered.
Pretty sweet justice that the witch hunt should help him get re-elected.
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April 18th, 2019 at 9:17:14 PM permalink
Quote: Fleaswatter

The fact that Mueller's report did not make a determination of guilt of innocence with respect to obstruction is irrelevant. Mueller's superiors at the DOJ made a determination that President Trump did not obstruct justice based their review of Mueller's report, hence President Trump WAS exonerated.



Nice fantasy. Since they exonerated Trump of the Russia collusion, but specifically stated "THEY WOULD" have also exonerated him of obstruction if it was possible.
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April 18th, 2019 at 10:48:40 PM permalink
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It’s a pretty straight line. Hard to disagree with that all things considered.
Pretty sweet justice that the witch hunt should help him get re-elected.


Emphasis mine.

Please don’t use such wiccaphobic language. I used to call it a witch hunt (rightfully so), but CNN told me not to because witches find it offensive and disgraceful. I checked my white privilege. I’m sorry if this came off as mansplaining, it’s just something I had to get off my chest — I didn’t even think of it until my wife’s boyfriend mentioned it.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/12/19/witches-offended-donald-trump-moos-pkg-vpx.cnn
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April 19th, 2019 at 3:40:11 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Quote: Mooseton

It’s a pretty straight line. Hard to disagree with that all things considered.
Pretty sweet justice that the witch hunt should help him get re-elected.


Emphasis mine.

Please don’t use such wiccaphobic language. I used to call it a witch hunt (rightfully so), but CNN told me not to because witches find it offensive and disgraceful. I checked my white privilege. I’m sorry if this came off as mansplaining, it’s just something I had to get off my chest — I didn’t even think of it until my wife’s boyfriend mentioned it.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/12/19/witches-offended-donald-trump-moos-pkg-vpx.cnn



Oh wow! My bad. I didn’t want to piss off those wild geese chasers, those peeps are one crater short of a moon pie (they know how to have a good time though).
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April 19th, 2019 at 8:13:01 AM permalink
They should have called this thing Schrodinger's Report.

Depending on who you talk to, it either completely exonerates Trump or nails him to the wall.
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April 19th, 2019 at 4:18:31 PM permalink
Wow, Trump is going bonkers on twitter
Throwing a fit online
Coming across as livid and angry
Moderators, please don't suspend me. This is directly from the President of the United States via twitter today

"...agreed to testify, it was not necessary for me to respond to statements made in the “Report” about me, some of which are total bullshit & only given to make the other person look good (or me to look bad). This was an Illegally Started Hoax that never should have happened, a..."
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April 19th, 2019 at 5:22:10 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Wow, Trump is going bonkers on twitter
Throwing a fit online
Coming across as livid and angry
Moderators, please don't suspend me. This is directly from the President of the United States via twitter today

"...agreed to testify, it was not necessary for me to respond to statements made in the “Report” about me, some of which are total bullshit & only given to make the other person look good (or me to look bad). This was an Illegally Started Hoax that never should have happened, a..."



Sounds like a man who has just been “totally exonerated.”
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April 19th, 2019 at 5:26:36 PM permalink
Maybe there is hope for CNN. Maybe CNN has finally seen the light.

Mueller's report looks bad for Obama
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/19/opinions/mueller-report-obama-jennings/index.html?no-st=1555706831
following are a few quotes from the article

Quote:

The partisan warfare over the Mueller report will rage, but one thing cannot be denied: Former President Barack Obama looks just plain bad. On his watch, the Russians meddled in our democracy while his administration did nothing about it.

But the Mueller report makes it clear that the Russian interference failure was Obama's alone. He was the commander-in-chief when all of this happened.

If you consider Russian election interference a crisis for our democracy, then you cannot read the Mueller report, adding it to the available public evidence, and conclude anything other than Barack Obama spectacularly failed America. Subsequent investigations of this matter should explore how and why Obama's White House failed, and whether they invented the collusion narrative to cover up those failures.

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April 19th, 2019 at 6:24:04 PM permalink
Wow is Trump one angry dude

Here is another tweet from today
"The Washington Post and New York Times are, in my opinion, two of the most dishonest media outlets around. Truly, the Enemy of the People!"

chuckle. Talk about a weak President. Just cant deal with freedom of the press and just whines about it
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April 19th, 2019 at 8:31:08 PM permalink
A year or so, some of the conservatives on this site were telling us that Russian interference in our election didn't matter -
One reason given was a so what? because they were not successful.
Another reason given was that we (the US) try to interfere with elections in other countries all the time.

So now suddenly it is an issue that Obama seemingly didn't do anything about it?
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April 19th, 2019 at 9:59:16 PM permalink
Quote: Fleaswatter

Maybe there is hope for CNN. Maybe CNN has finally seen the light.




Don't get too excited, that piece was written by one of their regular Republican commentators.
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April 20th, 2019 at 4:33:16 AM permalink
Quote: Dalex64

A year or so, some of the conservatives on this site were telling us that Russian interference in our election didn't matter -
One reason given was a so what? because they were not successful.
Another reason given was that we (the US) try to interfere with elections in other countries all the time.

So now suddenly it is an issue that Obama seemingly didn't do anything about it?



I think I was the one who said we try to interfere in other countries elections all the time. It was NOT mentioned by me implying we shouldn’t do everything in our power to prevent it, just that we we shouldn’t be surprised when another country tries to interfere or meddle in our elections! And it really is ironic that the Dems who have been bonkers about ‘collusion’ now are left with it being just ‘interference’, and on Obama’s watch!

Question.... can a foreign government buy a TV ad staying ‘DJT will be good for US Russia relations, HRC will be bad.’? If the answer is no, how can the US government stop them from placing that ad on internet web sites?
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April 20th, 2019 at 4:59:06 AM permalink
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I think I was the one who said we try to interfere in other countries elections all the time. It was NOT mentioned by me implying we shouldn’t do everything in our power to prevent it, just that we we shouldn’t be surprised when another country tries to interfere or meddle in our elections! And it really is ironic that the Dems who have been bonkers about ‘collusion’ now are left with it being just ‘interference’, and on Obama’s watch!

Question.... can a foreign government buy a TV ad staying ‘DJT will be good for US Russia relations, HRC will be bad.’? If the answer is no, how can the US government stop them from placing that ad on internet web sites?



If you were one to say that, you were not the only one. The example I checked last night was not you.

I do not know the answers to your questions.

As to Obama not doing anything about the interference, and the Dems not caring, I would want to quantify the level of interference before deciding that the Dems were ok with it. The impression I get is the Russians took it to another level this time.

If we can't stop them from trying to interfere, then people.shouldn't be pissed that Obama wasn't able to stop it.

Now, though, it isn't just about the interference, it is also about people meeting with a foreign power to see if they have anything to help. There were not charges filed, but that does not mean what happened was right, good, and just. For an example, I will reference Clinton's emails.

As an aside, was she "totally exonerated"? Just mentioning that as a point of comparison, honestly not trying to be snarky.
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April 20th, 2019 at 8:01:59 AM permalink
Quote: Fleaswatter

Maybe there is hope for CNN. Maybe CNN has finally seen the light.

Mueller's report looks bad for Obama
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/19/opinions/mueller-report-obama-jennings/index.html?no-st=1555706831
following are a few quotes from the article

Quote:

The partisan warfare over the Mueller report will rage, but one thing cannot be denied: Former President Barack Obama looks just plain bad. On his watch, the Russians meddled in our democracy while his administration did nothing about it.



At least we're all in agreement now that Russia meddled in the 2016 elections, and the Trump administration has done absolutely nothing in the 2+ years since then to address the problem.
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April 20th, 2019 at 8:59:27 AM permalink
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the Trump administration has done absolutely nothing in the 2+ years since then to address the problem.


Yep, you are right again

How the U.S. Is Fighting Russian Election Interference
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/02/us/politics/russia-election-interference.html

The above link reports just some of what is going on. I have little doubt that much more is going on behind the scenes.
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As of today, 97 judges nominated by President Trump have been confirmed, 58 District Court judges, 37 Circuit Court judges and 2 Supreme Court justices.

Making American justice less liberal!!
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April 20th, 2019 at 9:30:30 AM permalink
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As of today, 97 judges nominated by President Trump have been confirmed, 58 District Court judges, 37 Circuit Court judges and 2 Supreme Court justices.

Making American justice less liberal!!



And more conservative? That's not a good thing, either.
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April 20th, 2019 at 9:42:05 AM permalink
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explore how and why Obama's White House failed, and whether they invented the collusion narrative to cover up those failures.



Yawn. Hannity and Limbaugh and Laura
have been telling us this for over a year
and a half. You know, where you get the
real news from and not the fake news.
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April 20th, 2019 at 10:12:34 AM permalink
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Yawn. Hannity and Limbaugh and Laura
have been telling us this for over a year
and a half. You know, where you get the
real news from and not the fake news.



LOL

You people crack me up.

EDIT:

Exective summaries of the Mueller Report

"First, the Office determined that Russia's two principal interference operations in the 2016 U.S. presidential election—the social media campaign and the hacking-and-dumping operations—violated U.S. criminal law."

"Second, while the investigation identified numerous links between individuals with ties to the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign, the evidence was not sufficient to support criminal charges."

"Third, the investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference."

"Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
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April 20th, 2019 at 12:02:41 PM permalink
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LOL

Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."



It can NEVER exonerate anyone!! If I say John Q Public murdered a homeless man in 2018, and disposed of the body, please explain how you can exonerate him? You can say there isn't enough evidence, or any evidence other than my allegation, but how do you exonerate him?
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April 20th, 2019 at 12:08:40 PM permalink
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It can NEVER exonerate anyone!! If I say John Q Public murdered a homeless man in 2018, and disposed of the body, please explain how you can exonerate him? You can say there isn't enough evidence, or any evidence other than my allegation, but how do you exonerate him?



If he had an alibi and that can be proven, or if it can be proven that someone ELSE murdered the homeless man, it would exonerate him.
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April 20th, 2019 at 12:15:28 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

It can NEVER exonerate anyone!! If I say John Q Public murdered a homeless man in 2018, and disposed of the body, please explain how you can exonerate him? You can say there isn't enough evidence, or any evidence other than my allegation, but how do you exonerate him?



Have you read the report? Mueller accumulated evidence of eleven separate attempts to obstruct justice. His intent is for Congress to investigate them. Barr short circuited that by issuing a misleading summary. The actual report is nothing like Barr described it. Mueller wasn't playing judge, he investigated and turned in the evidence.
Eleven different attempts to obstruct, countless lies to the American people exposed and you think this somehow clears him?
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