Trump's Second and Third year in office
Quote: RSIm pretty sure George Steinbrenner didn’t cancel any games though.
Most played the full 162 schedule, I think, but there were no games for almost a week. Seems like they started again that Sunday, but I could be misremembering it.
Yankees missed 2 games, Orioles and Red Sox 1 each. All the others show 162 games.
Quote: wikiThe September 11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, D.C. pushed the end of the regular-season from September 30 to October 7. Because of the tragedy, the World Series was not completed until November 4. The 2001 World Series was the first World Series to end in November.
Who knows what Steinbrenner thought about it. I doubt it was up to him.
Quote: SteverinosFix it? Shiat...they've done nothing but sabotage and then have the gall to complain about it.
But when your party has moved to the extreme, this is what you get:
Note: Norm Ornstein is not a liberal.
Mitch Mcconnell is a bigger piece of s*** than Trump is.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: SteverinosFix it? Shiat...they've done nothing but sabotage and then have the gall to complain about it.
But when your party has moved to the extreme, this is what you get:
Note: Norm Ornstein is not a liberal.
Mitch Mcconnell is a bigger piece of s*** than Trump is.
Yup. Trump only capitalized on the division and fear that the GOP had stoked during the Obama presidency. He's now throwing gas on that fire and it's dangerous.
Quote: GWAEpeople are in an uproar about trump coming here tomorrow. If the Jewish leaders of Pittsburgh don't want him to come you would think he should respect their requests. I doubt though this is just Trump. I am sure it would be the same with any president.
List of things he's going to talk about, in no particular order.
1) The shooting.
2) The migrant caravan.
3) Job numbers, specifically for (insert minority group here).
4) Winning an election that happened two f***ing years ago.
5) Why Democrats hate you.
6) Hillary and/or Obama and/or George Soros.
7) How the left is destroying America.
8) Irrelevant random insults targeting people he doesn't like.
9) How he "might have to do something" about the "Fake News" media.
10) A few segments of word salad where no one knows exactly what he's talking about, not even his supporters.
11) Thinly veiled support of false flag conspiracy theories.
Geez, what else am I missing?
Quote: TigerWuList of things he's going to talk about, in no particular order.
1) The shooting.
2) The migrant caravan.
3) Job numbers, specifically for (insert minority group here).
4) Winning an election that happened two f***ing years ago.
5) Why Democrats hate you.
6) Hillary and/or Obama and/or George Soros.
7) How the left is destroying America.
8) Irrelevant random insults targeting people he doesn't like.
9) How he "might have to do something" about the "Fake News" media.
10) A few segments of word salad where no one knows exactly what he's talking about, not even his supporters.
11) Thinly veiled support of false flag conspiracy theories.
Geez, what else am I missing?
Missing the 3 by 5 card he will keep handy with 2 words , show compassion. This is a compassionless human that has to reminded to show compassion. Without that card, this can really go off the rails
Quote: beachbumbabsMost played the full 162 schedule, I think, but there were no games for almost a week. Seems like they started again that Sunday, but I could be misremembering it.
Yankees missed 2 games, Orioles and Red Sox 1 each. All the others show 162 games.
Who knows what Steinbrenner thought about it. I doubt it was up to him.
They restarted Monday the 17th, the first pro league to restart. But note the NBA and NHL were not in session yet.
Quote:President Reagan paid an impromptu visit late today to a suburban Washington home to reassure its black owners that the cross-burning they experienced five years ago was ''not something that should have ever happened in America.''
The President decided to make the visit after reading an article in today's Washington Post about the troubles that Barbara and Phillip Butler suffered when they moved to the College Park Woods subdivision early in 1977.
while this,
Quote:Pharrell Williams objects to use of his song.
"On the day of the mass murder of 11 human beings at the hands of a deranged ‘nationalist,’ you played his song ‘Happy’ to a crowd at a political event in Indiana,” Williams' attorney Howard King wrote in a cease-and-desist letter. “There was nothing ‘happy’ about the tragedy inflicted upon our country on Saturday and no permission was granted for your use of this song for this purpose.”
Now there are hundreds of protestors right near the synagogue with signs telling trump to leave. It's such a sad day in the city. Such disrespect happening on both sides of the fence.
Quote: GWAEMf..... first got stuck in trump motorcade then got stuck in trump protestors. Like or dislike trump I think this city is handling this terrible. The mayor refused to meet with him because he didn't want him to come to town.
Now there are hundreds of protestors right near the synagogue with signs telling trump to leave. It's such a sad day in the city. Such disrespect happening on both sides of the fence.
The prez had to go today, otherwise it conflicted with his campaign rallies. Nothing shows respect like creating a media circus where you aren't welcome. I'm sure the city of Pittsburg could have used its resources in better ways then providing a Presidential detail today.
"During Jade Helm 15, conspiracy theorists insisted that Obama was going to suspend the constitution, send the military to Texas to round up dissidents, and put them in camps.
Now, Trump is actually trying to suspend the constitution, and actually sending troops to Texas to round up people and put them in camps."
Heh....
Quote: TigerWuFound on the internet:
"During Jade Helm 15, conspiracy theorists insisted that Obama was going to suspend the constitution, send the military to Texas to round up dissidents, and put them in camps.
Now, Trump is actually trying to suspend the constitution, and actually sending troops to Texas to round up people and put them in camps."
Heh....
What part of the constitution is Trump trying to suspend? If I'm not mistaken, article 4 section 4 of the constitution says the feds will protect states from invasion. Unless you're talking about something else and not the impending invasion of "refugees" from the south?
Quote: constitution, article4, section4The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A4Sec4.html
goodQuote: TigerWuactually sending troops to Texas
Quote:and put them in camps." Heh....
if you are talking about illegal immigrants, then also good
Quote: RSWhat part of the constitution is Trump trying to suspend?
I believe that quote is in reference to the 14th amendment remarks Trump recently made regarding birthright citizenship. Also it was earlier this year I think that Trump was talking about taking people's guns away without due process, and the 2nd amendment folks weren't too happy about that one.
Quote:If I'm not mistaken, article 4 section 4 of the constitution says the feds will protect states from invasion. Unless you're talking about something else and not the impending invasion of "refugees" from the south?
That's why we have the Border Patrol.
Quote: Fleaswattergood
We already have authorities in position to deal with immigration. It's called Border Patrol and local LEOs. Deploying active duty military is a waste of time and money which is nothing but political posturing.
Quote:if you are talking about illegal immigrants, then also good
Putting illegal immigrants in camps is a waste of taxpayer dollars because we would have to provide food and shelter for them. Why are you okay with that? Just turn them away.
Quote: TigerWuI believe that quote is in reference to the 14th amendment remarks Trump recently made regarding birthright citizenship. Also it was earlier this year I think that Trump was talking about taking people's guns away without due process, and the 2nd amendment folks weren't too happy about that one.
That's why we have the Border Patrol.
We already have authorities in position to deal with immigration. It's called Border Patrol and local LEOs. Deploying active duty military is a waste of time and money which is nothing but political posturing.
Putting illegal immigrants in camps is a waste of taxpayer dollars because we would have to provide food and shelter for them. Why are you okay with that? Just turn them away.
As far as I understand how the border works, it's not as easy as "just turn them away" when they're trying to sneak in.
Again, the constitution says the fed is to protect the states from invasion. I'm not an expert on border patrol, but I have a feeling they aren't fully equipped to deal with thousands of invaders. If border patrol can not successfully or likely stop these people, then something additional needs to be done to stop them, because, the constitution.
I agree, we shouldn't have to pay for their food and shelter. If they want it, they can pay for it.
Edit: What do you think should be done to protect our borders (assuming you want to protect our borders)?
Quote: billryanThe prez had to go today, otherwise it conflicted with his campaign rallies. Nothing shows respect like creating a media circus where you aren't welcome. I'm sure the city of Pittsburg could have used its resources in better ways then providing a Presidential detail today.
I wonder what it costs for a visit like this. He arrived at 430 and the news just showed him heading back to the airport so he will depart at around 715. Less than 3 hours in the city. Must be an interesting life to be able to fly into a random city for 3 hours. We would have spent more time than that in TSA for a round trip flight than he spent in the city.
Quote: RS
Edit: What do you think should be done to protect our borders (assuming you want to protect our borders)?
Yes, of course I want the borders protected.
This migrant caravan that's currently in the news is a non-issue in my opinion. I said it a few pages ago, but there's no way there will be thousands of people violently pouring over our border in the next few weeks. I bet a couple hundred at most even make it. And they'll be ID'd, processed, have some paperwork to do, and then I don't know what happens after that (i.e., I don't know the process for how people apply for asylum to the U.S.).
There is definitely no need to send a brigade-sized element of active-duty soldiers to "protect" against an "invasion" of a few hundred third-world civilians. That is just pure nonsense. That's almost the amount of soldiers we sent to invade Grenada, and a quarter of the number we sent to invade Panama. MAYBE activate a company of local National Guardsmen to help with security while processing or something, but that's about it.
The whole thing is a very minor humanitarian crisis
In answer to your question, there is no way to 100% protect the border unless we have armed guard towers every hundred feet, and even then, people will find a way in, by bribing guards, digging longer tunnels, or straight up military-style assaults. A corrugated metal wall built by the lowest bidder is not going to stop anybody, period. It will be a huge waste of money. OUR money, not Mexico's money. People are going to come into our country illegally as long as we have a better country than the one they left. We live in one of the best countries in the world, and people coming here illegally is going to be a characteristic of that. That's all there is to it.
As far as "practical" solutions, I don't know... maybe more border checkpoints? Hire more Border Patrol to do more patrols? Stronger prosecution of illegal immigrants once they are caught in the U.S.?
Quote: GWAEI wonder what it costs for a visit like this. He arrived at 430 and the news just showed him heading back to the airport so he will depart at around 715. Less than 3 hours in the city. Must be an interesting life to be able to fly into a random city for 3 hours. We would have spent more time than that in TSA for a round trip flight than he spent in the city.
Direct costs are in the 10s to 100s of thousands for a day trip. 2 jumbo jets, helicopters, armored cars, etc. Police OT, advance team, security both perimeter and event, cleanup, etc. Indirect easily in the millions due to airport and highway shutdowns required for him to move. Airspace has to be sterilized and aircraft grounded or diverted for a large chunk of time before and after. Highways closed, cars diverted, business disrupted, etc.
100% campaign stunt, wasting millions of taxpayer dollars if they are sent. $20 says the actual order either doesn't get given, or gets cancelled before deployment. This is all about spooling up the base NOW ahead of the election. And Trump doesn't give a sh!t if it also spools up the crazies. And gets citizens massacred.
Deplorable. Despicable. UnAmerican.
Like Andrew Gilliam said, "I'm not saying (he's) a racist. I'm saying that the racists say he's a racist."
They ought to know one of their own.
I can't think of a worse PR image for trump than a bunch of our soldiers confronting a poor woman or child.
Quote: RSEdit: What do you think should be done to protect our borders (assuming you want to protect our borders)?
One possible option would be to have Mexico pay money to the US to build a border wall. Unfortunately it's becoming more and more clear that Trump will waste all of that money on other stuff, and never allow a solution like that to happen.
Another possible way would be to continue with the same border protection that has been in place. The problem with that is that Trump has made our border protection far too weak, which even most of his supports seem to agree with.
And that's a good thing?Quote: billryanDidnt a large percentage of the illegal arrive legally as tourist and simply stayed when their visas expired?
More than 700,000 overstayed their visas in 2017 alone.
One in 15 people living in the US, is here illegally.
Unlike illegal border crossers, visa holders are at least identified and vetted. Visitor overstays, are identified by their passports, and registered in a national database.
Quote: JoeMacmilanIs it true that Trump will legalize weed like Canada did?
False
Trump hired the most anti marijuana attorney General ever,, Jeff Sessions.
Jeff Sessions hates MJ.
Quote: terapinedFalse
Trump hired the most anti marijuana attorney General ever,, Jeff Sessions.
Jeff Sessions hates MJ.
Yeah, I banned him. He was spamming for urine cleaner.
The illegal immigrant population in the U.S. has been fairly stable since 2007, if not slightly decreasing.
Almost half of illegal immigrants in the U.S. initially came here legally and just never left.
Attempting border crossings have actually seen a sharp decline since 2000.
This year, on average, about 1,000 people every single day are apprehended attempting to cross the border.
Yes, illegal immigration is a problem, but the migrant caravan issue specifically is 100% GOP fearmongering. More people try to get into the U.S. every single week than are even in that caravan.
So we just let this migrant caravan in and then people realize that's how you get into the US. The next thing you know it keeps happening over and over.Quote: TigerWuHere's some illegal immigration statistics.
The illegal immigrant population in the U.S. has been fairly stable since 2007, if not slightly decreasing.
Almost half of illegal immigrants in the U.S. initially came here legally and just never left.
Attempting border crossings have actually seen a sharp decline since 2000.
This year, on average, about 1,000 people every single day are apprehended attempting to cross the border.
Yes, illegal immigration is a problem, but the migrant caravan issue specifically is 100% GOP fearmongering. More people try to get into the U.S. every single week than are even in that caravan.
Quote: AxelWolfSo we just let this migrant caravan in and then people realize that's how you get into the US. The next thing you know it keeps happening over and over.Quote: TigerWuHere's some illegal immigration statistics.
The illegal immigrant population in the U.S. has been fairly stable since 2007, if not slightly decreasing.
Almost half of illegal immigrants in the U.S. initially came here legally and just never left.
Attempting border crossings have actually seen a sharp decline since 2000.
This year, on average, about 1,000 people every single day are apprehended attempting to cross the border.
Yes, illegal immigration is a problem, but the migrant caravan issue specifically is 100% GOP fearmongering. More people try to get into the U.S. every single week than are even in that caravan.
This invasion is FAKE news
There is NO invasion
A group of people a thousand miles from the border is fake news unless you are also scared of the boogie man
Sessions?Quote: beachbumbabsYeah, I banned him. He was spamming for urine cleaner.
These caravans form several times a year , there is safety in numbers.
Trump today is claiming millions of disease ridden barbarians are headed to the border and only he can stop them.
Only a moron would fall for this after all his mendacity.
I never left the US and took this picture myself the other day.
Quote: AxelWolfSo we just let this migrant caravan in and then people realize that's how you get into the US. The next thing you know it keeps happening over and over.
No, they shouldn't just be "let in." They should have to do it legally.
And it already keeps happening "over and over." It's been that way for decades. This is nothing new or noteworthy.
Quote: terapined
A group of people a thousand miles from the border is fake news unless you are also scared of the boogie man
Well, some of them ARE scared of a boogie man named "Hillary"....
Quote: AxelWolfA few of them may have made it here early.
So what
Not much has changed at the southern border in the last few decades
except
Conservatives are absolutely freaking out now when its been business as usual at the border for decades.
What has exactly changed that is making you so afraid and scared
jeez, man up
Is the boogie man a problem in your life
Cmon, at least try to make a decent point.
Quote: RSNorth Korea is further away than the caravan, so they are also fake news. Right? The Nazis were further away than the caravan, no reason to worry about that either, right? What, are you scared of a few Nazis?
Cmon, at least try to make a decent point.
What do you picture happening when this group arrives at the border? What should the rest of us be worried about? Obviously, your vision of what will happen is different than mine.
Based on the patterns of the dozens of such caravans, I expect about 80% will drop off and a few hundred determined men, women and children will reach the border. At some point, they will apply for admission as refugees.
As a personal observation, I'd much rather have a neighbor who was willing to walk a thousand miles just to be here than the nationalist scrum who suddenly feel emboldened.
So what is your vision of this invasion? Do we bomb them while they are 900 miles away or show them the Spirit of the Bayonet at the border.
Quote: RSNorth Korea is further away than the caravan, so they are also fake news. Right? The Nazis were further away than the caravan, no reason to worry about that either, right? What, are you scared of a few Nazis?
Cmon, at least try to make a decent point.
Did you just compare this caravan to the North Korean regime and the Nazis?
And that's why things need to change. Enough is enough.Quote: TigerWu
And it already keeps happening "over and over." It's been that way for decades. This is nothing new or noteworthy.
If they can get that many people and that much courage to walk to the USA, just imagine if they used that same courage to get organized and they tried to solve their own problems in their own country.
Quote: AxelWolfAnd that's why things need to change. Enough is enough.
WTF
American Indian?
Quote: RSAgain, the constitution says the fed is to protect the states from invasion.
Quote: RSNorth Korea is further away than the caravan, so they are also fake news. Right? The Nazis were further away than the caravan, no reason to worry about that either, right? What, are you scared of a few Nazis?
You are comparing Nazi Germany and North Korea to a group of poor people. ROTFL
Using words such as "invasion" These poor people are not storming the beaches of Normandy backed by battleships and bombers.
Calm down and relax
The Nazi Germany and North Korea were and are real news
This invasion is fake news.
I just chuckle how conservatives are totally freaking out over this as if the boogie man was under their bed.
Probably more than Elizabeth Warren.Quote: terapinedWTF
American Indian?
Speaking of American Indians, see what happens when you don't build a big ass wall and keep others out.
Quote: AxelWolfProbably more than Elizabeth Warren.
Speaking of American Indians, see what happens when you don't build a big ass wall and keep others out.
??????
Trump is President. He promised a wall and that Mexico would pay for it
Lets see, the republicans control the Presidency, Senate, House and Supreme Court
What's the hold up?
Why were they not on this from day one?
They waited 2 years to lose the house?
You need to be angry and tell Trump, Mcconnell, Ryan and Roberts WTF, you hold all the cards, play them :-)
You hold the 4 key branches, 4 of a kind, I go all in with that hand and do everything I can to git it done.
Quote: terapinedLets see, the republicans control the Presidency, Senate, House and Supreme Court
Quote:What's the hold up?
Cloture
Quote: FleaswatterCloture
?????
You dont need the Dems
Mexico is paying for the wall.
Or was that an outright lie
Quote: billryanWhat do you picture happening when this group arrives at the border? What should the rest of us be worried about? Obviously, your vision of what will happen is different than mine.
Based on the patterns of the dozens of such caravans, I expect about 80% will drop off and a few hundred determined men, women and children will reach the border. At some point, they will apply for admission as refugees.
As a personal observation, I'd much rather have a neighbor who was willing to walk a thousand miles just to be here than the nationalist scrum who suddenly feel emboldened.
So what is your vision of this invasion? Do we bomb them while they are 900 miles away or show them the Spirit of the Bayonet at the border.
I'm not really sure what will happen or how I picture it "going down". But I'd much prefer our borders to be protected than practically wide open. I'm not going to tell anyone what to worry or not worry about (since worrying about something that you can't really control is a bit meaningless). However, illegal immigrants tend not to get the best of jobs. Oftentimes they work under the table since they can't legally get paid on the books (as far as I know). Even if they are working legally, the jobs are still typically significantly below average and they're the beneficiaries of our tax dollars and other social programs which they pay very little to no money into. I can at least see the argument for legal citizens, but illegals? Hell no.
They can apply for refugee status in Mexico, but I have a feeling Mexico doesn't want them.
Of course we shouldn't bomb them when they're 900 miles away (in Mexico). But once they cross the border....eh, I have less sympathy for criminals who knowingly and purposely break the law.
Quote: SteverinosDid you just compare this caravan to the North Korean regime and the Nazis?
It wasn't me, it was terapined who said the group 1000 miles from here is fake news. His message was that something far away is nothing to worry about. So I'll ask, was there anything to worry about during WWI or WWII? What about NK? Those are both pretty far away, surely farther away than the caravan.
Quote: terapinedYou are comparing Nazi Germany and North Korea to a group of poor people. ROTFL
Using words such as "invasion" These poor people are not storming the beaches of Normandy backed by battleships and bombers.
Calm down and relax
The Nazi Germany and North Korea were and are real news
This invasion is fake news.
I just chuckle how conservatives are totally freaking out over this as if the boogie man was under their bed.
What does their wealth or lack thereof matter? You said it's nothing to worry about, or something along those lines, because the caravan is a thousand miles away. Are you now retracting that statement, given you're saying Nazi Germany / NK are/were real news, even though they are/were so far away?
Trust me, I'm not freaking out. I have confidence that our border will be properly protected. I'm sure a few will sneak in, regardless.....but nothing's perfect. =(
Quote: RSHowever, illegal immigrants tend not to get the best of jobs. Oftentimes they work under the table since they can't legally get paid on the books (as far as I know). Even if they are working legally, the jobs are still typically significantly below average and they're the beneficiaries of our tax dollars and other social programs which they pay very little to no money into. I can at least see the argument for legal citizens, but illegals? Hell no.
You have identified the real problem: Trump continues to spend so much of our tax money on socialist programs for illegal immigrants. Unfortunately his supporters won’t hold him accountable for that, so the illegal immigrant problem is only going to get worse over the next two to six years.
West told HuffPost that he believes homosexuality is a “learned behavior” and “an abomination to introduce to children.”
Just another trump loyalist, running for office in Missouri.
Quote: billryanWest told HuffPost that he believes homosexuality is a “learned behavior” and “an abomination to introduce to children.”
Yes, it is. Children can learn homosexual behavior from their favorite priests or from their Republican senators in the airport bathroom of their choice!
