Trump's Second and Third year in office
Quote: rsactuaryI'm not sure he has balls, to be honest.
LOL
Axel can't get a break lately :(
#SexualHarassmentQuote: darkozIf i see you Axel I will rush up to you and grab you by your balls.
Where’s Terapined when ya need someone to tell us he’s “AGAINST ALL SEXUAL HARASSMENT” or whatever he spams for some reason?
Quote: RSWhere’s Terapined when ya need someone to tell us he’s “AGAINST ALL SEXUAL HARASSMENT” or whatever he spams for some reason?
He "spams" it because he isn't a hypocrite like so many of the righties here, who only care about sexual harassment by Dems and ignore it when it's done by perverts like Trump.
We shall see.
Quote: darkozWhen did dems push for snap and welfare for illegals
Please provide link
The Whole Prop 187 thing in CA for starters.
Quote: boymimbo
You won't answer this. How do you defend tax cuts without spending cuts to match revenue. How do you defend a 1 trillion dollar deficit when the economy is so great? Where is Boz to say that his stocks are up 30% when all of the gains were wiped away with an ill-advised trade war?
Simple answers. First is it is dynamic, not static. Revenue will go up when you lower tax rates from confiscatory levels. Apple had their rate lowered, but how much more will they pay, and how much of a multiplier effect, as they bring tens of billions of dollars home from overseas?
I'd be happy to see spending cuts. But even when it is not even a cut, just a reduction in rate of increase, you have a two step process. Democrats place ads on TV of a GOPer pushing an old lady in a wheelchair off a cliff. Then the liberal media asks the GOP why they are starving old people. Does the media even once ask the liberal, "What cut is this when spending still goes up over last year?" Rare to ever. So the GOP just pays the Black Hand fee and life goes on.
Trade War? Lets have one! I hear liberals crying about all the Chinese junk at WMT, yet when Trump starts to do something about it, we hear "trade war." News flash, the trade war has been going on for decades. Lets fire back!
Quote:Tuition breaks for undocumented also exist in Texas, Florida, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Mexico, Utah and 10 other states besides California. That loophole could easily be closed by the GOP Congress by making its law more clear. I don't know why you pick on California, when there are plenty of red states that do the same thing.
I am against it anywhere. I pick on CA because they are the biggest offender and boldest about it. Because CA in general has a pro-illegal immigration stance and has since the mid-1990s. I would prefer that the coastal liberal area of CA split from the state and the USA as it really might be time for this.
Quote: AZDuffman
That was a law passed to prevent illegals from obtaining welfare
Declared unconstitutional by the courts
Please provide link to dems passing legislation giving benefits to illegals
Quote: AZDuffman
So you are against this finding of a law being unconstitutional while at the same time you are decrying any possibility of the courts not defending your constitutional rights over guns
So you only believe in the constitution when it agrees with your beliefs. When it doesnt screw the constitution?
Quote: darkozSo you only believe in the constitution when it agrees with your beliefs.
That's conservatism in a nutshell.
Quote: AZDuffmanSimple answers. First is it is dynamic, not static. Revenue will go up when you lower tax rates from confiscatory levels.
Unfortunately Trump does not understand these dynamics, as he lowers taxes on income, but raises taxes on free-trade.
Quote: AZDuffmanI'd be happy to see spending cuts
As would I. When comparing Obama and Clinton with Bush and Reagan, we can easily see that it is the ones with the D next to their name that govern conservatively by bringing spending and revenue closer together. The ones with the R next to their name spend liberally
To note: Obama's first term wasn't very good in this area (54%), while his second term was much better (21%). Comparatively, Bush did better in his first term (33%), than his second (52%). It's like the only success the Republicans have in this area is riding previous Democrats, while the struggles the D have is when they follow the R. I encourage you to also look up Clinton, Bush Sr, and Reagan: https://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/current
Quote: TomGIt's like the only success the Republicans have in this area is riding previous Democrats, while the struggles the D have is when they follow the R. I encourage you to also look up Clinton, Bush Sr, and Reagan: https://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/current
The National Debt increased only 2.5% in Trump's first year (awesome, one of the most conservative starts to a presidency in a long time). But now that he has gotten away from Obama's budget, it increased another 2.5% in just the first three months of year two (Getting very close to Reagan/Bush liberalism)
Quote: darkoz
So you only believe in the constitution when it agrees with your beliefs. When it doesnt screw the constitution?
I am saying I see nothing in the Constitution giving illegal aliens the right to welfare. Democrats passed laws allowing it, hence the need for 187. I vote (R) because I see the average Democrat caring more about illegal aliens than the working man.
Quote: AZDuffmanI vote (R) because I see the average Democrat caring more about illegal aliens than the working man.
The solution is for them to be allowed to work instead of collect welfare
It's a little strange you and Dark are thinking of my balls. Ahh, what the hell, I'm flattered.Quote: rsactuaryI'm not sure he has balls, to be honest.
I kind of expect it from DarkOz IIRC I think he has admitted to being into some strange stuff. Perhaps someone can provide a link.
Quote: AxelWolfIt's a little strange you and Dark are thinking of my balls. Ahh, what the hell, I'm flattered.
I kind of expect it from DarkOz IIRC I think he has admitted to being into some strange stuff. Perhaps someone can provide a link.
As a gay man, I think of balls all the time. :-)
That post was made purely in jest, after maybe a couple too many cocktails. Sorry if any offense was taken.
I'm not sure I knew you were in the Miata club. Absolutely no offense was taken, I knew it was meant as a joke.Quote: rsactuaryAs a gay man, I think of balls all the time. :-)
That post was made purely in jest, after maybe a couple too many cocktails. Sorry if any offense was taken.
Besides, I never take either DarkOz or your posts serious :-).
Quote: AxelWolfIt's a little strange you and Dark are thinking of my balls. Ahh, what the hell, I'm flattered.
I kind of expect it from DarkOz IIRC I think he has admitted to being into some strange stuff. Perhaps someone can provide a link.
I would only be interested if you were wearing high heels a miniskirt and were showing cleavage from hormone treatment
Otherwise yecchhh
EDIT: being a new Yorker I don't drive so no Miata here
Quote: AZDuffmanI am saying I see nothing in the Constitution giving illegal aliens the right to welfare. Democrats passed laws allowing it, hence the need for 187. I vote (R) because I see the average Democrat caring more about illegal aliens than the working man.
And you are a constitution specialist?
The courts said it was unconstitutional and struck down prop 187.
Quote: TomGThe solution is for them to be allowed to work instead of collect welfare
Work in their home country, I'm all for it.
Quote: TomGThe solution is for them to be allowed to work instead of collect welfare
No. The solution is to IMMEDIATELY kick them out and have them come here the proper way.
The solution starts with removing societally destroying labor laws that barred American youth from seeking gainful employment, that illegals children aren't subject to. Kids don't work anymore gaining skills, so most are worthless when they finally attempt to be employed, if they aren't poisoned to the thought of work by then.Quote: TomGThe solution is for them to be allowed to work instead of collect welfare
To many parents have ruined their children by making such friends of them and not doing their parental duty, in teaching them survival skills [work, work ethics, job appreciation etc.]
Now we have 50 or more million able bodied Americans who are out of the work force, and won't return. That vacuum will [is] be filled.
Another very large part of the problem came from when Johnson replaced black fathers with a check. That more than anything destroyed black community's, which lead to idle hands, to drug use and crime.
America destroyed the desire of their own people to work and provided a safety net, which has become home to way to many. But you can't stop the forces of capitalism that require somebody, anybody to do labor. After Nafta destroyed grunt labor in Mexico, it was as sure as the tide that those workers would head toward work. Voila, here we are, decrying why there are so many illegals, and why our own youth is so immoral without desire to work.
The solution would involve removing child labor laws. When I grew up, everyone worked, no one resented it. We all liked having our own money that we earned and helped us mature into reasonable adults.
The solution to getting rid of illegals [if that is actually what the bourgeois wanted] is as easy as rounding up and jailing two hundred illegals employing employers and advertising it as much as a politician having extramarital sex. But that isn't what is wanted.
Quote: petroglyphThe solution starts with removing societally destroying labor laws that barred American youth from seeking gainful employment, that illegals children aren't subject to. Kids don't work anymore gaining skills, so most are worthless when they finally attempt to be employed, if they aren't poisoned to the thought of work by then.
To many parents have ruined their children by making such friends of them and not doing their parental duty, in teaching them survival skills [work, work ethics, job appreciation etc.]
Now we have 50 or more million able bodied Americans who are out of the work force, and won't return. That vacuum will [is] be filled.
Another very large part of the problem came from when Johnson replaced black fathers with a check. That more than anything destroyed black community's, which lead to idle hands, to drug use and crime.
America destroyed the desire of their own people to work and provided a safety net, which has become home to way to many. But you can't stop the forces of capitalism that require somebody, anybody to do labor. After Nafta destroyed grunt labor in Mexico, it was as sure as the tide that those workers would head toward work. Voila, here we are, decrying why there are so many illegals, and why our own youth is so immoral without desire to work.
The solution would involve removing child labor laws. When I grew up, everyone worked, no one resented it. We all liked having our own money that we earned and helped us mature into reasonable adults.
The solution to getting rid of illegals [if that is actually what the bourgeois wanted] is as easy as rounding up and jailing two hundred illegals employing employers and advertising it as much as a politician having extramarital sex. But that isn't what is wanted.
Don't forget Poor Houses and Debtors Prisons. Perhaps you'd care to indenture your children to me for the next seven years. You get a little cash up front and I'll teach them a trade and give them a bed out back in the garage.
Does that excite you, the thought of having indentured children at your beckon call? Your post makes you sound like a pedophile.Quote: billryanQuote: petroglyphThe solution starts with removing societally destroying labor laws that barred American youth from seeking gainful employment, that illegals children aren't subject to. Kids don't work anymore gaining skills, so most are worthless when they finally attempt to be employed, if they aren't poisoned to the thought of work by then.
To many parents have ruined their children by making such friends of them and not doing their parental duty, in teaching them survival skills [work, work ethics, job appreciation etc.]
Now we have 50 or more million able bodied Americans who are out of the work force, and won't return. That vacuum will [is] be filled.
Another very large part of the problem came from when Johnson replaced black fathers with a check. That more than anything destroyed black community's, which lead to idle hands, to drug use and crime.
America destroyed the desire of their own people to work and provided a safety net, which has become home to way to many. But you can't stop the forces of capitalism that require somebody, anybody to do labor. After Nafta destroyed grunt labor in Mexico, it was as sure as the tide that those workers would head toward work. Voila, here we are, decrying why there are so many illegals, and why our own youth is so immoral without desire to work.
The solution would involve removing child labor laws. When I grew up, everyone worked, no one resented it. We all liked having our own money that we earned and helped us mature into reasonable adults.
The solution to getting rid of illegals [if that is actually what the bourgeois wanted] is as easy as rounding up and jailing two hundred illegals employing employers and advertising it as much as a politician having extramarital sex. But that isn't what is wanted.
Don't forget Poor Houses and Debtors Prisons. Perhaps you'd care to indenture your children to me for the next seven years. You get a little cash up front and I'll teach them a trade and give them a bed out back in the garage.
Quote: petroglyphThe solution starts with removing societally destroying labor laws that barred American youth from seeking gainful employment, that illegals children aren't subject to. Kids don't work anymore gaining skills, so most are worthless when they finally attempt to be employed, if they aren't poisoned to the thought of work by then.
To many parents have ruined their children by making such friends of them and not doing their parental duty, in teaching them survival skills [work, work ethics, job appreciation etc.]
Now we have 50 or more million able bodied Americans who are out of the work force, and won't return. That vacuum will [is] be filled.
Another very large part of the problem came from when Johnson replaced black fathers with a check. That more than anything destroyed black community's, which lead to idle hands, to drug use and crime.
America destroyed the desire of their own people to work and provided a safety net, which has become home to way to many. But you can't stop the forces of capitalism that require somebody, anybody to do labor. After Nafta destroyed grunt labor in Mexico, it was as sure as the tide that those workers would head toward work. Voila, here we are, decrying why there are so many illegals, and why our own youth is so immoral without desire to work.
The solution would involve removing child labor laws. When I grew up, everyone worked, no one resented it. We all liked having our own money that we earned and helped us mature into reasonable adults.
The solution to getting rid of illegals [if that is actually what the bourgeois wanted] is as easy as rounding up and jailing two hundred illegals employing employers and advertising it as much as a politician having extramarital sex. But that isn't what is wanted.
Get rid of child labor laws? So 12 year olds can be hired at cheap wages over adults and the average American quits school at 6tg grade to support their out of work parents
Yeesh we have child labor laws for a reason you know
As an example, my hospital takes dozens of high school kids as volunteers doing all forms of tasks. If the hospital would pay them $5 an hour, instead of calling them 'volunteers', they would be breaking a law. That's good for the kids?
It is not wrong to let kids at 11 with experience do some babysitting, or lawn mowing or sit behind a counter at a gift shop, Those labors are not worth 15 dollars per hour, plus federally mandated benefits.
Farm work has been done by youth since before recorded history, and yet here we are. We are also here, with so many unemployed young people while complaining about migrant labor, who are often used in farm produce labor. Many times their children are right beside the parents, allowing us all to eat cheap vegetables and fruit while complaining about illegals.
I did not mention leaving young children "out in the garage" for seven years.
I worked as a child as did all the kids in our middle class neighborhood. I learned a lot from earning my own money. Spoiling children in a latch key society, handing them money and digital access to me, is part of the problem brought to us by to restrictive labor laws that disallow youth, safe work spaces versus violent video games as activity.
Those that are opposed to youth employment don't understand that a job, provides much more than a paycheck. We now have more than a generation of Americans who have lost much of their opportunity, from being unable to learn skills and the value of a dollar.
Quote: petroglyph
I worked as a child as did all the kids in our middle class neighborhood. I learned a lot from earning my own money. Spoiling children in a latch key society, handing them money and digital access to me, is part of the problem brought to us by to restrictive labor laws that disallow youth, safe work spaces versus violent video games as activity.
Years ago kids worked, and they learned about life from it. On a paper route you learned customer service, collections, and to meet your bill every week. Kids who work in high school learn to work and not whine about this or that, they are less likely to drink their way out of college.
Lots of kids get in trouble because they are "bored." Solution to that is to get to work.
Quote: petroglyph
Those that are opposed to youth employment don't understand that a job, provides much more than a paycheck.
I wanted to highlight this point. My youngest son worked a mindless job at Walmart one summer. He learned that he did not want to end up in such a job.
Quote: SOOPOORe child labor laws..... I think there is room to soften them but not eliminate them.
As an example, my hospital takes dozens of high school kids as volunteers doing all forms of tasks. If the hospital would pay them $5 an hour, instead of calling them 'volunteers', they would be breaking a law. That's good for the kids?
Yes, it is. Inspiring children to volunteer at an early age is good for both them and society. Reading through peoples posts here, I have a pretty good idea which members have the spirit of volunteerism in them and which ones don't.
Those kids are getting something worth far more than $5 an hour.
Exactly. I learned that I didn't want to end up as farm labor.Quote: SOOPOOI wanted to highlight this point. My youngest son worked a mindless job at Walmart one summer. He learned that he did not want to end up in such a job.
Quote: billryanYes, it is. Inspiring children to volunteer at an early age is good for both them and society. Reading through peoples posts here, I have a pretty good idea which members have the spirit of volunteerism in them and which ones don't.
Those kids are getting something worth far more than $5 an hour.
If I am a hiring manager I am going to hire someone who worked in college vs. someone who just did volunteer work every time.
Quote: AZDuffmanIf I am a hiring manager I am going to hire someone who worked in college vs. someone who just did volunteer work every time.
That's cool. As someone who has actually hired hundreds of people, I disagree with you but this is Amerikay.
I don't think you have a clue, but go ahead and list them, we will see how right you are.Quote: billryan...Reading through peoples posts here, I have a pretty good idea which members have the spirit of volunteerism in them and which ones don't.
"It's what you do and not what you say If you're not part of the future then get out of the way" Your tag line is a fine example of your empathy. Why do you hate old people so much?
Quote: billryanThat's cool. As someone who has actually hired hundreds of people, I disagree with you but this is Amerikay.
I have hired around 100 as well. Knowing how to treat a customer and that you get fired if you do not is way more important than where you worked a few hours for free.
Quote: AZDuffmanI have hired around 100 as well. Knowing how to treat a customer and that you get fired if you do not is way more important than where you worked a few hours for free.
I agree
But what does knowing how to treat a customer have to do with going to college?
Quote: darkozI agree
But what does knowing how to treat a customer have to do with going to college?
If you don't know then going to college is pretty useless. Then again, college is useless to about half the kids there these days.
Quote: AZDuffmanIf you don't know then going to college is pretty useless. Then again, college is useless to about half the kids there these days.
If you have to go to college to learn how to treat people then it probably is useless
I dont remember any courses in customer service at my college
Meteorology calculus journalism law psychology 101 literature and history is all i remember
Quote: AZDuffmanI have hired around 100 as well. Knowing how to treat a customer and that you get fired if you do not is way more important than where you worked a few hours for free.
What kind of people are you interviewing and hiring? Having a worker who thinks like that is an indictment of management, not the workers.
Mike Rowe says there are no protests at trade schools.Quote: AZDuffmanIf you don't know then going to college is pretty useless. Then again, college is useless to about half the kids there these days.
Quote: SOOPOOI wanted to highlight this point. My youngest son worked a mindless job at Walmart one summer. He learned that he did not want to end up in such a job.
When I was 16 I wanted to get a job and likely wouldn't have gotten into some trouble (not that I did anything particularly bad or got into a lot of trouble). Later I got a job for my dad (kinda) and did house-repair stuff, like painting, replacing sinks, removing popcorn ceiling stuff, and doing some sketchy stuff with electrical outlets for some reason. My idea was I'd get a couple hundred bucks a week during summer, my parents' idea was I'd hate it and I wouldn't look for manual labor type jobs. I didn't particularly hate it, but decided manual labor wasn't for me. It worked out.
Quote: AZDuffmanSimple answers. First is it is dynamic, not static. Revenue will go up when you lower tax rates from confiscatory levels. Apple had their rate lowered, but how much more will they pay, and how much of a multiplier effect, as they bring tens of billions of dollars home from overseas?
Analysts believe that because the US Corporate Tax rate is higher than Ireland's that Apple will keep its tax haven there. The global company I am working for isn't changing their tax strategy because of the tax cuts. It didn't go far enough.
Quote:I'd be happy to see spending cuts. But even when it is not even a cut, just a reduction in rate of increase, you have a two step process. Democrats place ads on TV of a GOPer pushing an old lady in a wheelchair off a cliff. Then the liberal media asks the GOP why they are starving old people. Does the media even once ask the liberal, "What cut is this when spending still goes up over last year?" Rare to ever. So the GOP just pays the Black Hand fee and life goes on.
Blah blah blah Fox News blah blah blah Breitbart blah blah blah WND. Excuses excuses excuses. GOP controls house, senate, executive branch. GOP needs to govern responsibly.
Quote:Trade War? Lets have one! I hear liberals crying about all the Chinese junk at WMT, yet when Trump starts to do something about it, we hear "trade war." News flash, the trade war has been going on for decades. Lets fire back!
The GOP doesn't support it either. Neither did Trump's chief economic advisor. And neither does the stock market, and pretty much all analysts.
Quote:I am against it anywhere. I pick on CA because they are the biggest offender and boldest about it. Because CA in general has a pro-illegal immigration stance and has since the mid-1990s. I would prefer that the coastal liberal area of CA split from the state and the USA as it really might be time for this.
Never going to happen.
Quote: AZDuffmanYears ago kids worked, and they learned about life from it. On a paper route you learned customer service, collections, and to meet your bill every week. Kids who work in high school learn to work and not whine about this or that, they are less likely to drink their way out of college.
Lots of kids get in trouble because they are "bored." Solution to that is to get to work.
My kid worked through high school, staring in grade 10 - 3 falls at a Pumpkin farm, 2 winters at a Maple syrup place, and 3 summers at a dairy. Plus volunteered at the hospital. And is working part time through college.
Kids still work. Lots of them do.
Did kid work pre 16 in the US?Quote: boymimboMy kid worked through high school, staring in grade 10 - 3 falls at a Pumpkin farm, 2 winters at a Maple syrup place, and 3 summers at a dairy. Plus volunteered at the hospital. And is working part time through college.
Kids still work. Lots of them do.
Quote: petroglyphDid kid work pre 16 in the US?
My grandfather lied most of his life about being 3 years older
The story goes he was just turning 13 and ready to work when they passed laws making 16 legal. So he lied about his age and kept the lie in his head so long that we never knew if he was 81 or 84 when he passed away
He passed in 1989 so i guess laws were changed around turn of century... if my family lore is even reliable lol
Quote: petroglyphDid kid work pre 16 in the US?
Pre-16, yes. Canada, yes. I was programming computers at age 15, making $3/hr. My daughter's minimum wage now is $14. She actually makes close to $19/hour.
Quote: boymimboAnalysts believe that because the US Corporate Tax rate is higher than Ireland's that Apple will keep its tax haven there. The global company I am working for isn't changing their tax strategy because of the tax cuts. It didn't go far enough.
Do any of those "analysts" happen to have names?
Here is what is really happening:
"The company is shouldering a big tax bill as the iPhone maker brings back much of its estimated $252 billion cash held overseas, quieting another long-standing complaint from lawmakers: that the world's most valuable company avoids paying some U.S. taxes because it keeps so much of its profits outside the U.S. Apple said the $38 billion payment would likely be the largest of its kind. . . .
Cook had long said Apple would bring back some of those profits if the U.S. were to lower the corporate tax rate. At the same time, the company is realizing a savings of $42 billion from the new tax bill, notes analyst and investor Gene Munster, from Loup Ventures, as it takes advantage of a one-year window that lowers the tax rate on repatriated profits to 15.5%. That's less than the 21% tax rate on corporate profits from the new law, itself a drop from the 35% prior rate. usa today
Quote: IbeatyouracesNo. The solution is to IMMEDIATELY kick them out and have them come here the proper way.
After almost 250 years we still haven’t agreed on what is the proper way. So we gave Trump the power to decide. And all the people who voted for him are whining that he isn’t doing it properly
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-26/north-korean-leader-kim-jong-un-is-said-to-be-visiting-china?cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-politics&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_content=politics&utm_source=twitterQuote: terapinedI am saying he cant leave his country.
Are you saying he can and will?
No odds
Are you proposing a bet?
Should have made that bet : )
The real question should be will Americans work for lower wages?
99% will answer NO. because we are human and want to get the best value from our self worth.
Trump is a smart man.
