Trump's Second and Third year in office
Quote: terapinedTrump is upset that the justice dept is going after dirty congressman
WTF
Its clear the orange clown simply does not care about the law
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/03/politics/donald-trump-jeff-sessions-justice-department/index.html
He is wrong to not want those to play out.
I hope the justice department continues to ignore the 60 day courtesy before elections and prosecutes any politician whenever they have their case together to indict. As long as no one times an indictment to suit their political purposes, I am fine with prosecuting in a timely manner.
The so-called 60 day rule was to keep things out of the election cycle. It helped give the accused the benefit of "innocent until proven guilty" because so many assume guilt upon announcement of indictments. How many times do we really here as much news about someone being found innocent as we do about the initial indictment?
Quote: RonCYou never cease to amaze me with your silly little veiled insults when you know good and well that I don't toe the party line
I know good and well that *you think* you don’t toe the party line.
Quote: ams288I know good and well that *you think* you don’t toe the party line.
There you go again...your response is pretty much what I expected.
I've already said two or three things this week that don't toe that line, but, whatever, dude!
Quote: RonCSecurity is busy at the Kavanaugh hearing...I guess the protesters are being replaced by fellow protesters in line to go in to the hearing...
A hearing already
I thought Mitch set the precedent to wait for the next election before deciding on a Justice
Bob Woodward’s new book reveals a ‘nervous breakdown’ of Trump’s presidency
On perjury:
Quote:John Dowd was convinced that President Trump would commit perjury if he talked to special counsel Robert S. Mueller III. So, on Jan. 27, the president’s then-personal attorney staged a practice session to try to make his point.
In the White House residence, Dowd peppered Trump with questions about the Russia investigation, provoking stumbles, contradictions and lies until the president eventually lost his cool.
“This thing’s a goddamn hoax,” Trump erupted at the start of a 30-minute rant that finished with him saying, “I don’t really want to testify.”
General Mattis on Trump:
Quote:After Trump left the meeting, Woodward recounts, “Mattis was particularly exasperated and alarmed, telling close associates that the president acted like — and had the understanding of — ‘a fifth- or sixth-grader.’ ”
General Kelly on Trump:
Quote:White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly frequently lost his temper and told colleagues that he thought the president was “unhinged,” Woodward writes. In one small group meeting, Kelly said of Trump: “He’s an idiot. It’s pointless to try to convince him of anything. He’s gone off the rails. We’re in Crazytown. I don’t even know why any of us are here. This is the worst job I’ve ever had.”
Trump on Jeff Sessions:
Quote:A near-constant subject of withering presidential attacks was Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Trump told Porter that Sessions was a “traitor” for recusing himself from overseeing the Russia investigation, Woodward writes. Mocking Sessions’s accent, Trump added, “This guy is mentally retarded. He’s this dumb Southerner. … He couldn’t even be a one-person country lawyer down in Alabama.”
Trump on Charlottesville:
Quote:Trump was sharply criticized for initially saying that “both sides” were to blame. At the urging of advisers, he then condemned white supremacists and neo-Nazis, but almost immediately told aides, “That was the biggest f***ing mistake I’ve made” and the “worst speech I’ve ever given,” according to Woodward’s account.
Quote: terapinedA hearing already
I thought Mitch set the precedent to wait for the next election before deciding on a Justice
It would be nice if the rules had never headed down the path they are following now, but it is obvious that both parties have done things to get away from advise and consent and toward the making these judicial nominations totally political events. Biden didn't have a chance to delay a SC Justive, but he did stop a few appointments:
"In 1992, then-Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Joe Biden launched a preemptive attack on any nominee President George H.W. Bush named to the Supreme Court, warning that if Bush tapped someone, Biden’s committee “should seriously consider not scheduling confirmation hearings on the nomination . . . until after the political campaign season is over.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-biden-killed-john-robertss-nomination-in-92/2016/02/25/c17841be-dbdf-11e5-81ae-7491b9b9e7df_story.html?utm_term=.006668e0cc93
Now we are past the Presidential election year issue; is the next step is to not do confirmations during ANY election year?
Once that happens, where do we go?
Quote: RonCHe is wrong to not want those to play out.
Wrong is one adjective to use. I'd throw un-American in there as well.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/04/politics/bob-woodward-book-donald-trump-fear/index.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/04/new-bob-woodward-book-shows-worried-president-trump-after-mueller-nod.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/04/most-dramatic-quotes-from-bob-woodwards-new-book-about-trump.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bob-woodwards-new-book-reveals-a-nervous-breakdown-of-trumps-presidency/2018/09/04/b27a389e-ac60-11e8-a8d7-0f63ab8b1370_story.html?utm_term=.8bec0d41a3c6
Reader Farmer Dean posted the following comment for his/her respond to the Washington Post article:
"Woodward's account clearly makes Trump out to be a mean idiot, but not necessarily a racist.
Omarossa's account makes Trump out to be a racist, and mean, but not necessarily an idiot.
Michael Wolf (Fire and Fury, seems like decades ago) makes Trump out to be chaotic, backstabbing, disjointed, and possibly demented.
So put them all together and we have a President of the United Freaking States of America, the most armed nation on earth, who is a chaotic, backstabbing, disjointed idiotic, mean racist , and possibly demented.
Today is the day I start stocking up the cellar with 2 years worth of canned food and survival supplies."
For those without a calendar, the next presidential election is in 2020. What that means, thanks to Joe Biden, was delineated in this very thread just a couple of days ago.Quote: terapinedA hearing already
I thought Mitch set the precedent to wait for the next election before deciding on a Justice
If we ever get our wall built we need to capture that dude to test and make sure our wall is Mexican proof.Quote: rxwineI suppose it doesn't occur to you that this argument can be equally applied in reverse. Some good thing might not have ever happened had that illegal immigrant not been there to do something. Like that illegal who climbed up a building to save a kid.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/05/28/undocumented-immigrant-who-saved-toddler
Quote: AxelWolfIf we ever get our wall built we need to capture that dude to test and make sure our wall is Mexican proof.
The wall will be sufficiently good enough that only young healthy male gang members will be able to get over it.
Hint: It won't and could not ever be... Let me get a weekend Visa for a vacation... get on a plane, fly over said wall, get off the plane, then just not go back. Ah yes, the VAST MAJORITY of illegal immigrants do this, so the only worth said wall brings is negative EV to each and every taxpayer in america.Quote: AxelWolfIf we ever get our wall built we need to capture that dude to test and make sure our wall is Mexican proof.
And every migratory animal.Quote: RomesHint: It won't and could not ever be... Let me get a weekend Visa for a vacation... get on a plane, fly over said wall, get off the plane, then just not go back. Ah yes, the VAST MAJORITY of illegal immigrants do this, so the only worth said wall brings is negative EV to each and every taxpayer in america.
The wall is so ugly it's enough to make an ecologist vomit. It will probably be lined on top with camera's and cell towers. Getting so you can't even see a vista without some ugly man made crap in it.
Quote: rxwineThe wall will be sufficiently good enough that only young healthy male gang members will be able to get over it.
That's their plan.
Gotta keep the base scared and dependent.
We don't want the normal, hard working, relatively law-abiding folks sneaking in to give illegal immigrants a good name now, do we?
Seems like Trump is given every chance to give direct input into Woodward's book and I suppose deny everything he doesn't like or didn't happen.
Quote: AxelWolfIf we ever get our wall built we need to capture that dude to test and make sure our wall is Mexican proof.
Aren’t you the guy who pretends he’s not a rightie when I call him a rightie?
I’ll just save this post as “Exhibit A.”
What a p**sy.
Quote: AxelWolfIf we ever get our wall built we need to capture that dude to test and make sure our wall is Mexican proof.
Show me a 16 foot wall and I'll show you a 17 foot ladder.
Does one comment about an issue make you a rightie or lefty?Quote: ams288Aren’t you the guy who pretends he’s not a rightie when I call him a rightie?
I’ll just save this post as “Exhibit A.”
I dont think I have ever claimed to be right or left. I certainly haven't pretended anything. I don't know if I'm right or left. People have said they think I'm more in the middle and I think that's probably a fair statement. I may very well lean right. Feel free to ask me where I stand on issues and then make a judgment. I doubt I will be offended by any political affiliation you want to tag me with.
Eagerly anticipating the righties trying to claim this is not racist...!
Donald attracts the worst people imaginable. They’re all effing monsters.
Quote: ams288Zina Bash, one of the writers of Trump’s immigration policy who now works for Kavanaugh’s confirmation team had fun flashing the white power sign all morning.
Eagerly anticipating the righties trying to claim this is not racist...!
Donald attracts the worst people imaginable. They’re all effing monsters.
Hmmm, you seem to be awfully familiar with the "white power sign".
I wonder why?
Quote: Fleaswatter
Hmmm, you seem to be awfully familiar with the "white power sign".
I wonder why?
Because so many of Donald’s supporters seem to love it so much. I had no idea that was the white power sign till Stephen Miller taught me.
I guess that’s what happens when we get a blatant racist in the WH, you learn new horrible things...
Quote: ams288Because so many of Donald’s supporters seem to love it so much. I had no idea that was the white power sign till Stephen Miller taught me.
I guess that’s what happens when we get a blatant racist in the WH, you learn new horrible things...
Of course, I believe your explanation.
Quote: ams288Because so many of Donald’s supporters seem to love it so much. I had no idea that was the white power sign till Stephen Miller taught me.
I guess that’s what happens when we get a blatant racist in the WH, you learn new horrible things...
Signed in today because I got an Email about a PM.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/09/04/no-that-woman-behind-kavanaugh-was-not-doing-a-white-power-hand-signal-and-shes-n2515798
Obviously still playing the same game you do AMS.
Again how has Trump hurt you personally! You can still do the things you enjoy that many of us still find “unnatural “. But of course, there is nothing wrong with that, lol.
PS F Nathan and shame on this site for letting her make a mockery of it. She keeps laughing about it on other sites how she is playing the Wiz. Or she or he is as stupid as they appear to be.
Multiple Math experts here, would love to know the “educated” odds on if she is as stupid as “she” appears to be or is f...ing with all of you. Or better yet if some of you already know the answer and are using her for personal enjoyment. No opinion on which is worse. All I know is good people understand how much of an embarrassment Nathan’s posting here as a banned poster to the site, And yes he or she was Kendry. Sometimes common sense beats “proof”.
But then again, only an idiot, which very few here are, didn’t know WON wasn’t StrictlyAP. Funny how bringing the old Vegas Rover post back shows how he posted the same stuff under both names after SAP was “banned”
While a great member “Aye” was screwed over.
Maybe not the best place for a rant, but why not, I’m not exactly a conformist. Those who know me, know me. And respect always to those who hopefully know they have mine.
.How many days folks or is this the big one? Trust me guys, I’ll live and will never be a sock.
Quote: BozSigned in today because I got an Email about a PM.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/09/04/no-that-woman-behind-kavanaugh-was-not-doing-a-white-power-hand-signal-and-shes-n2515798
Obviously still playing the same game you do AMS.
Again how has Trump hurt you personally! You can still do the things you enjoy that many of us still find “unnatural “. But of course, there is nothing wrong with that, lol.
PS F Nathan and shame on this site for letting her make a mockery of it. She keeps laughing about it on other sites how she is playing the Wiz. Or she or he is as stupid as they appear to be.
Multiple Math experts here, would love to know the “educated” odds on if she is as stupid as “she” appears to be or is fucking with all of you. Or better yet if some of you already know the answer and are using her for personal enjoyment. No opinion on which is worse. All I know is good people understand how much of an embarrassment Nathan’s posting here as a banned poster to the site, And yes he or she was Kendry. Sometimes common sense beats “proof”.
But then again, only an idiot, which very few here are, didn’t know WON wasn’t StrictlyAP. Funny how bringing the old Vegas Rover post back shows how he posted the same stuff under both names after SAP was “banned”
While a great member “Aye” was screwed over.
Maybe not the best place for a rant, but why not, I’m not exactly a conformist. Those who know me, know me. And respect always to those who hopefully know they have mine.
.How many days folks or is this the big one? Trust me guys, I’ll live and will never be a sock.
I personally don’t think it warrants “the big one.” Sometimes people gotta vent.
Quote: ams288Because so many of Donald’s supporters seem to love it so much. I had no idea that was the white power sign till Stephen Miller taught me.
I guess that’s what happens when we get a blatant racist in the WH, you learn new horrible things...
In the eyes of lefties, their is a racist around every corner.
They've got nothing to really fight Kavanaugh with to date, so they'll distract and obstruct.
When answering questions about that in the past, all he will say is Roe v Wade is "settled law", which says nothing about what he will do if a case came before him.
Quote: Dalex64They also object to his anti-abortion perceived position.
When answering questions about that in the past, all he will say is Roe v Wade is "settled law", which says nothing about what he will do if a case came before him.
There is a difference between disagreeing with a position someone has and coordinated disruptions of a confirmation hearing. They each got 10+ minutes to express their concerns and will get 50 minutes or more to ask questions. The questions can always be an opportunity to trip someone up; one bad answer can send things in a different direction. Kavanaugh will not address any items that may come in front of the court in any meaningful way.
We did this process for years and years without all of this stupidity; both parties contributed to getting here over the course of that time. Now everyone is set on obstructing when it is not their nominee and pressing on when it is. They continue to work on finding times when we can't confirm a nominee and the end goal is to obstruct until the balance of power changes.
It's such a benign and well-known hand gesture that millions of people us;, it would be really stupid for white supremacists to co-opt it and have to explain it every time: "No, I don't mean 'okay,' I mean 'white power.'"
Quote: TigerWuI thought it was total urban legend B.S. that the "okay" hand sign was a white power symbol?
It's such a benign and well-known hand gesture that millions of people us;, it would be really stupid for white supremacists to co-opt it and have to explain it every time: "No, I don't mean 'okay,' I mean 'white power.'"
Just another silly attempt by committed dissenters to cause hate and discontent.
It makes good TV for the lefties to make into a story, just like the white supremacist bullshit
That lady is Mexican on her mother's side and had grandparents who were Holocaust survivors,
These leftist idiots, and their followers, don't bother to fact check anything...nor will they retract anything.
I am not talking about people who oppose Kavanaugh and don't look for, or make up, false scandals. Everyone has the right to support or oppose the nomination.
Quote: RonCThese leftist idiots, and their followers, don't bother to fact check anything...nor will they retract anything.
Thanks for the chuckle.
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
Nah, I'll take the "leftist idiot" relationship with truth and reality over a Trump-era conservative's understanding of facts. It's not even close.
"What you see and what you read is not what's happening."
Quote: SteverinosThanks for the chuckle.
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
Nah, I'll take the "leftist idiot" relationship with truth and reality over a Trump-era conservative's understanding of facts. It's not even close.
So you are just fine with one side acting just as bad, or worse, than the other?
I'v criticized Trump. Do you criticize folks on the side you support?
I'm a fan of people being friends and not enemies even when they differ strongly politically.
Quote: RonCSo you are just fine with one side acting just as bad, or worse, than the other?
I'v criticized Trump. Do you criticize folks on the side you support?
I'm a fan of people being friends and not enemies even when they differ strongly politically.
????
How soon you forget about Al Franken because your side supports a sexual assaulter in the WH
I could care less about politics when it comes to sexual assault
Bill Clinton is a sicko
Trump is a sicko
I supported Ken Starr and Mueller
How many conservatives can make that statement?????
Quote: terapined????
How soon you forget about Al Franken because your side supports a sexual assaulter in the WH
I could care less about politics when it comes to sexual assault
Bill Clinton is a sicko
Trump is a sicko
I supported Ken Starr and Mueller
How many conservatives can make that statement?????
What? I have said (maybe not here; the hell if I can remember every post and I sure don't have time to look back at all of them) that I think Franken left too soon. I think everyone should get due process before being forced to resign. No, the reason it didn't happen in Franken's case is not because of Republicans...it is because Democrats (some with sway) wanted him gone to provide a political advantage. I have no idea whether he did something or not.
We elected, by the process we have in place, two people with sexual dalliances outside of their marriage. Both have been accused of worse than that; to date, I don't think either one has been charged with a crime but both have paid people off to try and make things go away. I don't like it, but it is not like it just happened on one side.
I don't have any problem with an outside investigation such as the one going on but I do have problems with the selected investigators (not a balanced group) and the fact that they aren't really investigating all potential Russian collusion and other bad acts in the election process. We'll wait and see what is in the report and go from there.
Quote: RonCSo you are just fine with one side acting just as bad, or worse, than the other?
No, I'm not. My conscious is clear. This current version of the GOP is spineless, complicit, and represent the height of hypocrisy on just about every single issue. The democrats have a lot of work to do if they want to start "acting just as bad". It's not close.
The republicans are complicit in supporting a man that says this:
"Two long running, Obama era, investigations of two very popular Republican Congressmen were brought to a well publicized charge, just ahead of the Mid-Terms, by the Jeff Sessions Justice Department. Two easy wins now in doubt because there is not enough time. Good job Jeff......"
Not only is this a lie (the investigations started under Trump), Republicans actually support a man that believes the Justice Department is a political institution that should only investigate and prosecute his perceived political opponents. If that's not scary stuff from the leader of this country and his political party, I don't know what qualifies.
"Just as bad"? Not even close.
Quote: RonC....the fact that they aren't really investigating all potential Russian collusion and other bad acts in the election process.
How do you know they aren't investigating that?
Quote: TigerWuHow do you know they aren't investigating that?
None of us knows 100% of what they are or are not investigating. The large amount of information about the investigation available now leads to the conclusion that they aren't; maybe I (and a lot of others) are in for a huge surprise when the report comes out.
Quote: SteverinosNo, I'm not. My conscious is clear. This current version of the GOP is spineless, complicit, and represent the height of hypocrisy on just about every single issue. The democrats have a lot of work to do if they want to start "acting just as bad". It's not close.
The republicans are complicit in supporting a man that says this:
"Two long running, Obama era, investigations of two very popular Republican Congressmen were brought to a well publicized charge, just ahead of the Mid-Terms, by the Jeff Sessions Justice Department. Two easy wins now in doubt because there is not enough time. Good job Jeff......"
Not only is this a lie (the investigations started under Trump), Republicans actually support a man that believes the Justice Department is a political institution that should only investigate and prosecute his perceived political opponents. If that's not scary stuff from the leader of this country and his political party, I don't know what qualifies.
"Just as bad"? Not even close.
There have been instances of prosecutions being deferred during election cycles. That might make a little sense--the accused aren't guilty when accused; that comes after a trial.
I'm glad you have a clear conscious. So do I. I don't like Trump; I wish he hadn't been the choice during the general election. I am confident that he can't get away with as much as the left thinks he can. I wish he would stay off Twitter.
I am fine if he leaves office and we have President Pence.
Yes, I support him completely...in the minds of lefties only.
Quote: RonCThere have been instances of prosecutions being deferred during election cycles.
I'd be genuinely curious to hear about them and their circumstances. And whether or not the POTUS at the time publicly commented on them.
I get it. You don't "like" Trump but you "support" Trump. Complicit.
Quote: Dalex64They also object to his anti-abortion perceived position.
When answering questions about that in the past, all he will say is Roe v Wade is "settled law", which says nothing about what he will do if a case came before him.
Which is what he SHOULD say! If a case comes before him he should decide it on the merits, not preconceived biases. He would not have heard the evidence, so how is he supposed to decide on a case?
Quote: RonCThere is a difference between disagreeing with a position someone has and coordinated disruptions of a confirmation hearing. They each got 10+ minutes to express their concerns and will get 50 minutes or more to ask questions. The questions can always be an opportunity to trip someone up; one bad answer can send things in a different direction. Kavanaugh will not address any items that may come in front of the court in any meaningful way.
We did this process for years and years without all of this stupidity; both parties contributed to getting here over the course of that time. Now everyone is set on obstructing when it is not their nominee and pressing on when it is. They continue to work on finding times when we can't confirm a nominee and the end goal is to obstruct until the balance of power changes.
well, you said
Quote: RonCIn the eyes of lefties, their is a racist around every corner.
They've got nothing to really fight Kavanaugh with to date, so they'll distract and obstruct.
and I said
Quote: Dalex64They also object to his anti-abortion perceived position.
When answering questions about that in the past, all he will say is Roe v Wade is "settled law", which says nothing about what he will do if a case came before him.
I wasn't commenting on the protests, the obstruction, or anything like that - just that they do have an issue - that Kavanaugh might well be more anti-abortion than most judges who have been nominated to the supreme court.
As for the rest of the stuff that they are mad about - such as documents that won't be revealed, or whether or not they should be revealed, or 70,000 pages being dumped on the day before the hearings, the protests, the interruptions - that is all the hyperpartisan stuff you were talking about.
Quote: SOOPOOWhich is what he SHOULD say! If a case comes before him he should decide it on the merits, not preconceived biases. He would not have heard the evidence, so how is he supposed to decide on a case?
I am talking about a specific case, and you are trying to generalize it.
In the case of Roe v Wade, a case (or multiple cases) have been brought before the Supreme Court and decided upon.
The issue is that if a substantively similar case comes before the court, that the issue would be reconsidered, and "settled law" possibly overturned.
That is different than some new case, which is different enough from previously settled cases, that will need a decision made upon them. With that I agree with you, the case should be evaluated upon its merits, along with precedence of similar cases.
I have pointed out before, though, that the Supreme Court has overturned plenty of their previous decisions. I don't think we want to be in the position of whenever the ideological makeup of the court changes that a bunch of old cases are brought forward again to get a different decision. That's just a different kind of judge shopping.
Incoherent rage tweets incoming in 5....4....3....
Quote: TigerWuSenior official in Trump administration trashes him in anonymous op-ed
Incoherent rage tweets incoming in 5....4....3....
Wow
Just read it
Trump has to be furious
Quote: Dalex64I have pointed out before, though, that the Supreme Court has overturned plenty of their previous decisions. I don't think we want to be in the position of whenever the ideological makeup of the court changes that a bunch of old cases are brought forward again to get a different decision. That's just a different kind of judge shopping.
How exactly do you think we can keep that possibility from ever occurring?
The "ideological makeup" of the court will always be subject to change based on who gets to make the appointments.
Do you think President Booker, President Harris, or whoever else may be elected the next time a Democrat wins will fill any currently conservative "slots" with conservatives? NO. They will appoint people that are more like them in their views...as every President does.
Quote: terapinedQuote: TigerWuSenior official in Trump administration trashes him in anonymous op-ed
Incoherent rage tweets incoming in 5....4....3....
Wow
Just read it
Trump has to be furious
Yeah...some person hiding in the WH broom closet saying how unhinged the President is...feed the beast!
Quote: TigerWuSenior official in Trump administration trashes him in anonymous op-ed
Incoherent rage tweets incoming in 5....4....3....
I have thought that had to be the case from the very beginning - that there are people in that administration who see themselves as patriots controlling a mad dog.
I'm glad they are there. However, it also represents confirmation of an ongoing coup. Since I support very few of Trump's actions to date, it seems the lesser of 2 evils to treat him as a 4 year old whose tantrums must be appeased to his face and countermanded behind his back.
But, again, it has to be recognized that this is a completely dysfunctional administration, and it would be more appropriate to remove him from office than to placate his excesses.
