Trump's Second and Third year in office
Quote: FleaswatterTrump tower meeting with Russian lawyer
Liberal reaction: collusion, collusion, collusion, impeach President Trump
Along with the repeated lies and fabrications about the nature of the meeting and the circumstances surrounding the cover up of it.
"The June 3, 2016, email sent to Donald Trump Jr. could hardly have been more explicit: One of his father’s former Russian business partners had been contacted by a senior Russian government official and was offering to provide the Trump campaign with dirt on Hillary Clinton.
The documents “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father,” read the email, written by a trusted intermediary, who added, “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”
He replied within minutes: “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/politics/trump-russia-email-clinton.html
Collusion might not be a crime (maybe it is), but one thing is for certain. The intent of this meeting was TO COLLUDE with the Russians. CLEAR AS DAY.
Draw whatever collusion you want. The campaign either knowingly colluded or didn't know they were supposed to contact the FBI immediately with this information because they are incompetent. Pick your poison.
And if he can't show me his taxes, I don't want him anywhere near an area where he can make decisions on mine.
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I love it. I can always count on you to reply,
In this forum, President Trump has been called an idiot, moron, douche, stupid, dumbass, and jerk (to name a few).
What adjective do you use to describe a person who loses an election to a person called those names?
Quote: Fleaswatter
What adjective do you use to describe a person who loses an election to a person called those names?
Loser.
Quote: TigerWuLoser.
And Trump is the winner who lost the popular vote. Only 5 of them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elections_in_which_the_winner_lost_the_popular_vote
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In this forum, President Trump has been called an idiot, moron, douche, stupid, dumbass, and jerk (to name a few).
Every President ever has been described with those names.
No doubt many on the right used those same names regarding Obama
What names did southerners use to describe Lincoln during the civil war
Its the most criticized job the planet regardless of who holds the position
Trump does not get that so he complains about google news
what a moron lol
Quote: FleaswatterWhat adjective do you use to describe a person who loses an election to a person called those names?
Overconfident.
She should've campaigned in "blue wall" states harder. Big mistake on her part. She deserves criticism for it. Razor thin margin of victory for Trump in the slavery-era Electoral College.
Another word I'd use is incumbent. They rarely win a 3rd term.
Quote: FleaswatterWhat adjective do you use to describe a person who loses an election to a person called those names?
Popular vote winner?
Quote: ams288Popular vote winner?
Unlikable.
Woman.
Ugly.
Bitch.
Unqualified.
Liar.
Terrible wife for sticking with Bill.
Murderer.
And so on.... All things likely said about this woman on this very forum before the election.
Probably only two or three of the above are true.
Only one of those things are not true. You just happen to put it 2nd on the list.Quote: boymimboUnlikable.
Woman.
Ugly.
Bitch.
Unqualified.
Liar.
Terrible wife for sticking with Bill.
Murderer.
And so on.... All things likely said about this woman on this very forum before the election.
Probably only two or three of the above are true.
p.s. You forgot the C word.
Quote: SteverinosThe campaign either knowingly colluded or didn't know they were supposed to contact the FBI immediately with this information because they are incompetent. Pick your poison.
And if he can't show me his taxes, I don't want him anywhere near an area where he can make decisions on mine.
That is no different from the Hillary campaign and the DNC paying for the Russian dossier on Trump.
It is perfectly legal to obtain damaging information on your opponent.
Note, when they needed to make it public, they gave it to the lowest rat faced creature in the swamp to do their bidding.
As for his tax records. What do you expect to find? That he’s only worth $3 billion? Or, he didn’t donate to charity? Who gives a. His complicated tax filings have been audited for the past thirteen years. If he did anything illegal, he would have been long gone.
The people who complain the most are the ones who’ve been spinning their wheels uphill on ice their entire adult lives. Someone finally comes along and creates $8 trillion in wealth, and more jobs than people to fill them, giving them and their children greater opportunity and a brighter future, and all they want to do is wallow in misery and complain.
Quote: TankoHis complicated tax filings have been audited for the past thirteen years. If he did anything illegal, he would have been long gone.
Paul Manafort objects to this statement from his jail cell. He got away with it for a long time before they got him...
Quote: TankoThat is no different from the Hillary campaign and the DNC paying for the Russian dossier on Trump.
It is perfectly legal to obtain damaging information on your opponent.
Note, when they needed to make it public, they gave it to the lowest rat faced creature in the swamp to do their bidding.
As for his tax records. What do you expect to find? That he’s only worth $3 billion? Or, he didn’t donate to charity? Who gives a. His complicated tax filings have been audited for the past thirteen years. If he did anything illegal, he would have been long gone.
The people who complain the most are the ones who’ve been spinning their wheels uphill on ice their entire adult lives. Someone finally comes along and creates $8 trillion in wealth, and more jobs than people to fill them, giving them and their children greater opportunity and a brighter future, and all they want to do is wallow in misery and complain.
Tax records reconcile the honesty of a candidate with the truth on his returns. It's a show of integrity which this administration lacks.
As for the last statement all the president can be given credit for economically is the tax reform which has helped an economy that really didn't need it. He can be given zero credit for his first 11 months in office as his administration did nothing. True conservatives would have wanted at least a revenue neutral package or even a package that reigns in the deficit. The misery exists because while many of us maybe beneficiaries of a tax break or growth in ourbrstock portfolios, the deficit will choke the government's ability to spend especially in economic downturns when it will need tonsoend. The foundation of strategic growth has been cheap money. An inflated GDP puts pressure to raise interest rates and inflation. Each quarter point in interest rate has a 10:year cost of 400 billion in the deficit. And nobody cares because people behave like 6 year olds. What's for Christmas, the ask? What's this bill, they ask a few years later. "Oh remember that party you had when the horse was loose in the hospital? There's the bill. Have fun being a responsible American."
We can get into environmental regulations and climate change and it's long term consequences but that would require thought and foresight that goes beyond the next month of our existence and certainly will affect our children.
Paying a foreign contractor who is not a Russian agent for information is not illegal. Arranging and conducting a meeting with a government representative to influence the election might be illegal. Coordinating the release of stoen emails from the DNC in order to hurt a candidate may also be illegal. We shall see.
Quote: ams288Paul Manafort objects to this statement from his jail cell. He got away with it for a long time before they got him...
Manafort even got away with it AFTER they got him....
They only prosecuted him for some of the infractions when they thought that he might just help get to the President.
Of course, that was to pile on more in addition to the other things that the may have found...
I do think that someone in the IRS would signal (or maybe already did) Mueller if there was anything juicy for him to get in his tax forms. If you take it a step further, they could find something in the stuff that isn't in the files; perhaps that is where his financial guru comes in... I would consider that a higher probability, since the IRS has had the records for years.
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So now not liking Antifa and the violence they have committed in the name of being anti-fascist is racist?
The media--in this case, CNN--is willing to make everything racist.
...and then there is the Florida thing...a comment about not monkeying around with what is working is...racist
Lefties are looking for a racist on every corner. It is way easier to do that than it is to actually have positions on issues and get elected.
Quote: RonC...and then there is the Florida thing...a comment about not monkeying around with what is working is...racist
Lefties are looking for a racist on every corner. It is way easier to do that than it is to actually have positions on issues and get elected.
He didn’t say don’t “monkey around.”
He said don’t “monkey this up.”
WHICH ISNT EVEN A PHRASE.
It was absolutely a dog whistle to the racist right. Maybe not even a dog whistle, just an actual whistle.
Also, FOX News even issued a statement condemning his remark. It ain't just CNN who found it racist...
Quote: ams288He didn’t say don’t “monkey around.”
He said don’t “monkey this up.”
WHICH ISNT EVEN A PHRASE.
It was absolutely a dog whistle to the racist right. Maybe not even a dog whistle, just an actual whistle.
Also, FOX News even issued a statement condemning his remark. It ain't just CNN who found it racist...
I'm sorry, this is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, Fox did say something about it, but they also asked everyone to wait to pass judgement until he had a chance to clarify.
On the other hand, CNN just ran with it without much push back from any of the commentators I saw.
So what if it wasn't a proper phrase? Have you ever misused a phrase by messing up the words? The opposing candidate's actual positions would make a lot of changes to what the other side believes is working. Why would they not condemn the opponent for wanting to mess with them?
There is a huge difference between messing up a phrase and making a racist statement.
The Socialist candidate who won the Democrat primary played into the whole thing...instead of letting it pass as a misstatement and campaigning on the actual issues. There are lots of real issues in Florida--the myriad of water issues may be a huge one--and there is no need to stoop to racial politics...unless you can't figure out how to win without using it.
Quote: RonCand there is no need to stoop to racial politics...unless you can't figure out how to win without using it.
Exactly. The racist GOP candidate had to stoop to racial politics to motivate his base cause he can’t figure out how to win without doing so.
Quote: ams288Exactly. The racist GOP candidate had to stoop to racial politics to motivate his base cause he can’t figure out how to win without doing so.
That is a ridiculous comment, but whatever. I pretty much expect that from you as you march in lockstep with the progressive left.
Lefties = they can misstate anything and make it right
Righties = no misstatements allowed
Quote: RonCLefties = they can misstate anything and make it right
Righties = no misstatements allowed
What racist “misstatements” have any leftie candidates made lately?
Quote: ams288What racist “misstatements” have any leftie candidates made lately?
I'm talking in general about any misstatement of any kind.
I don't go looking for racism in every statement.
Though it does happen:
"She was overheard telling voters: “Vote for me. Don’t vote for the ching-chong!” She also told Chang’s campaign staff that she called their volunteers “ching-chongs."
“I called them ching-chongs. That’s what they are!” Scott said."
https://www.newsweek.com/michigan-black-democrat-racist-asian-comments-ching-chong-1077578
...but I guess you don't see the difference between a misstatement and an obviously racist statement.
Quote: TankoIt's only racist if a Republican says it.
Oh look! A video of Obama using the actual phrase “monkey around.”
Thanks Tanko, for helping me make my point.
Quote: RonCI'm talking in general about any misstatement of any kind.
I don't go looking for racism in every statement.
Though it does happen:
"She was overheard telling voters: “Vote for me. Don’t vote for the ching-chong!” She also told Chang’s campaign staff that she called their volunteers “ching-chongs."
“I called them ching-chongs. That’s what they are!” Scott said."
https://www.newsweek.com/michigan-black-democrat-racist-asian-comments-ching-chong-1077578
...but I guess you don't see the difference between a misstatement and an obviously racist statement.
Welp. That is flat out racist.
And:
Quote:Chang won the primary with 49 percent of the vote. Scott got 11 percent.
Hopefully Florida will treat their racist candidate the same way!
15 months after the Lester Holt interview where he admitted firing Comey because of the Russia investigation, Donald is now claiming Lester Holt got caught “fudging the tape.”
The full unedited interview has been on NBC’s website for the last year.
I’m sorry, but this man is a psychopath.
Quote: ams288Oh look! A video of Obama using the actual phrase “monkey around.”
Thanks Tanko, for helping me make my point.
Yes, because it could not possibly be a misstatement and it has to be racist.
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15 months after the Lester Holt interview where he admitted firing Comey because of the Russia investigation, Donald is now claiming Lester Holt got caught “fudging the tape.”
The full unedited interview has been on NBC’s website for the last year.
I’m sorry, but this man is a psychopath.
Damn. Racist tweet. he used the word "fudge"...
Quote: RonCQuote: ams288Oh look! A video of Obama using the actual phrase “monkey around.”
Thanks Tanko, for helping me make my point.
Yes, because it could not possibly be a misstatement and it has to be racist.
Correct.
Quote: RonCAre you willing to sit quietly in your corner and not say anything about the investigation, or news related to it, until the report is submitted and it is time to proceed with whatever the outcome may be?
Then we will have the cold, hard facts.
It is what you want me to do. I asked if the other side was willing to do it.
I am sure the answer is "no"...
Where on earth did I say that?
Quote: ams288Quote: RonCQuote: ams288Oh look! A video of Obama using the actual phrase “monkey around.”
Thanks Tanko, for helping me make my point.
Yes, because it could not possibly be a misstatement and it has to be racist.
Correct.
Bullshit. You know it but you are not willing to admit it.
Misstatements happen pretty often. On both sides.
Quote: RonDamn. Racist tweet. he used the word "fudge"...
We prefer to be called "Fudgy Americans" thank you very much.
Quote: mcallister3200I just checked in to see ams call someone but himself a psychopath. That didn’t take long, it’s gonna be a good day.
No need for personal insults.
I'll be PMing a mod about that one if they somehow miss it.
Quote: ams288No need for personal insults.
I'll be PMing a mod about that one if they somehow miss it.
I disagree...sometimes it helps clear the air. If someone keeps trying to turn something into something isn't, it is kind of nice to tell them to take a flying leap.
It isn't like this a real conversation or debate...in real life, most people can find middle ground in a lot of areas.
We aren't to that point yet, ams288, but we have been there before.
Quote: RonCI disagree...sometimes it helps clear the air. If someone keeps trying to turn something into something isn't, it is kind of nice to tell them to take a flying leap.
It isn't like this a real conversation or debate...in real life, most people can find middle ground in a lot of areas.
We aren't to that point yet, ams288, but we have been there before.
You weren't around for it, but ever since this incident, I have a zero tolerance policy for righties taking shots at me.
They wanna PM the mods and complain? Well, two can play that game...
Quote: ams288You weren't around for it, but ever since this incident, I have a zero tolerance policy for righties taking shots at me.
They wanna PM the mods and complain? Well, two can play that game...
I agree with that suspension just about as much as I agree with most of your positions!
Quote: ams288You weren't around for it, but ever since this incident, I have a zero tolerance policy for righties taking shots at me.
They wanna PM the mods and complain? Well, two can play that game...
wait a minute here......
I thought only the righties got suspended for comments like this, and we had free rein?? Are you saying the mods aren't biased after all?
Quote: TankoThat is no different from the Hillary campaign and the DNC paying for the Russian dossier on Trump.
The people who complain the most are the ones who’ve been spinning their wheels uphill on ice their entire adult lives. Someone finally comes along and creates $8 trillion in wealth, and more jobs than people to fill them, giving them and their children greater opportunity and a brighter future, and all they want to do is wallow in misery and complain.
If by no different you mean, completely different, then yeah.
Never Trumpers started the dossier research. The DNC and Hillary campaign only continued to fund it after Trump won the nomination. And it was compiled by a British spy with a great reputation in the intelligence community.
What do I expect to find in his taxes? I don't know. Trump has made the calculation that it's more damning to release them than not, which obviously means he's hiding something. And again, if he doesn't want to show us his, I don't want him making decisions on mine. Pretty f**king simple.
Brighter future? By pulling out of the Paris climate change accord? How are they supposed to have greater opportunity in the future when their planet is on fire and the only people that deny it are republican voters in the United States of America? Brighter future? For our children? By going back to trillion dollar deficits after Obama and Congress worked for 8 years to chop at them?
We have had this happen to us.
When we built a small building for the city. There was a rumor that I personally withnessed that we didn't pay the construction workers. This rumor spread to our bank personel and office. There was not one ounce of truth to it. Eventually the truth came out. But when you are on tv, the truth may not reach people. I don't believe the rumors about Trump unless I see it myself.
Trump is ultra rich. He has alot of haters. Should a person of that wealth be President? IDK I liked him because he wanted to scale back troops in Iraq. (and My family is all Christian) I didn't really pay attention to the wall being built as a factor. Or much other issues. Like lower taxes.
Quote: jjjooogggTax records has private info that people wouldn't want public. Like addresses of homes, vacations homes, and empty lots. People will actually learn of these locations and start dumping garbage. And causing code enforcement issues. Code enforcement will start to create extra fake charges that end up in court and eventually dropped.
FFS, then redact addresses. Really, this is all you have?
"Monkey"
at the Bac tables...
If you are not with them, you must be racist.
Quote: RonCI guess we have come to the point where only Democrats/Socialists/Progressives/Antifa members can say
"Monkey"
at the Bac tables...
If you are not with them, you must be racist.
Time to
Quote: ams288Time to
Why should I?
It isn't like the Dems will.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/30/politics/trump-cancels-federal-employee-pay-raises/index.html
But corporate stock buybacks are at record levels. So there's that.
Quote: RonCQuote: ams288Time to
Why should I?
It isn't like the Dems will.
Hey, it's possible it was a misstatement. I think Trump sponsored candidates are prone to accidental slurs more than most.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/30/politics/trump-cancels-federal-employee-pay-raises/index.html
I'm glad I work in the private sector where yearly pay raises already don't exist.
Wait... that's not good, either.....
Quote: TigerWuI'm glad I work in the private sector where yearly pay raises already don't exist.
Wait... that's not good, either.....
Look up and wait for the trickle down. (I ain't sayin' what's trickling down)
Hmm, now why would he do this? Oh I know, because he's a lying POS.
Quote: SteverinosMore examples of how the great Trump economy, ya know, the thing that is going so well that we're supposed to ignore and excuse everything else the man represents, has not translated to the average worker. Wages were down in the 2nd quarter and inflation was up. Awesome.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/30/politics/trump-cancels-federal-employee-pay-raises/index.html
But corporate stock buybacks are at record levels. So there's that.
More examples of how great the Obama economy was:
Amid Deficit Fears, Obama Freezes Pay
President Obama on Monday announced a two-year pay freeze for civilian federal workers as he sought to address concerns over high annual deficits and appealed to Republicans to find a common approach to restoring the nation’s economic and fiscal health.
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/us/politics/30freeze.html
Obama froze wages for TWO years
LOL LOL
Obama was tasked with recovering from the greatest recession in 80 years, congressionally-mandated sequestration, and tea party elected officials that were hellbent on reigning in government spending; all of which contributed to the reduced deficits in his two terms.
Trump is apparently overseeing the greatest economic boom in a generation while freezing worker pay AND ballooning the deficit.
You do the math.
