Trump's Second and Third year in office
Quote: billryanIs he finally admitting
Come on, you know Trump never admits to anything....
Quote: billryanTrump just canceled Pompeos trip to North Korea. Is he finally admitting NK is still an actual threat?
More likely he's just trying to get people to STOP TALKING ABOUT MICHAEL COHEN!!!
Quote: Dalex64Uhm, no?
Cohen paid hush money to the women out of his own pocket.
Since that money was to influence the election (or rather not influence the election by keeping Trump's affairs secret) it became a campaign contribution.
Since it exceed the limits for individual contributors, it became an illegal campaign contribution. <--- this is the crime
We have yet to see if Trump reimbursing Cohen later is money laundering.
Doesn't sound like it's money laundering for that part. The issue seems to be, if Trump reimbursed him, he is allowed to contribute to his own campaign, but he has to report exactly how much, when, source (personal asset, LLC, etc), that kind of detail.
My understanding is: He filed the documents that info should have been on, but it was missing, so he underreported. Along with other stuff he ran through his companies and/or charitable foundation, that were payments in kind or campaign donations that went undeclared.
One of the more interesting things they reimbursed Cohen for was $50000 for "tech services " . Cohen made some trip to Russia around Oct 2016. Question is whether he paid a troll farm over there. Some evidence supposedly leads to that conclusion.
Caveats: lots we don't know yet. Lots of avenues to consider for those prosecuting. Lots I don't know about applicable law, whether FEC, finance, taxes, allowable charitable distributions, foreign transactions, real estate valuations, all of which have been mentioned as possible irregularities, violations, or illegal activities.
Trumps CFO has now been granted immunity against charges
They are dropping like flies
EVERYBODY FLIPPING
Quote: darkozBREAKING NEWS:
Trumps CFO has now been granted immunity against charges
They are dropping like flies
EVERYBODY FLIPPING
I don't think it's blanket immunity. It most likely is specific to a particular incident. Federal immunity doesn't mean NY State or even NYC can't charge him.
Does the CFO still have his job?
Quote: beachbumbabsDoesn't sound like it's money laundering for that part. The issue seems to be, if Trump reimbursed him, he is allowed to contribute to his own campaign, but he has to report exactly how much, when, source (personal asset, LLC, etc), that kind of detail.
sounds plausible
Quote:My understanding is: He filed the documents that info should have been on, but it was missing, so he underreported. Along with other stuff he ran through his companies and/or charitable foundation, that were payments in kind or campaign donations that went undeclared.
we will wait and see
Quote:One of the more interesting things they reimbursed Cohen for was $50000 for "tech services " . Cohen made some trip to Russia around Oct 2016. Question is whether he paid a troll farm over there. Some evidence supposedly leads to that conclusion.
I am very curious where you got this information from. I have never heard any mention of Cohen going to Russia. There was speculation that he went to Prugue, but this has been denied by both Cohen and his Lawyer Lanny Davis.
As for the $50000 reimbursement for "tech" services, what evidence leads to that conclusion? What real news source? I quote from page 26, paragraph 37 of Cohen's court document:
"The $50, 000 represented a claimed payment for "tech services , "which in fact related to work COHEN had solicited from a technology company during and in connection with the campaign."
Quote:Caveats: lots we don't know yet. Lots of avenues to consider for those prosecuting. Lots I don't know about applicable law, whether FEC, finance, taxes, allowable charitable distributions, foreign transactions, real estate valuations, all of which have been mentioned as possible irregularities, violations, or illegal activities.
Quote: darkozEVERYBODY FLIPPING
That almost ought to be illegal....
Quote: billryanI don't think it's blanket immunity. It most likely is specific to a particular incident. Federal immunity doesn't mean NY State or even NYC can't charge him.
Does the CFO still have his job?
Its in relation to the cohen issues
This CFO worked for trump for 20 years i believe and was directly in charge of most of trumps direct finances
Yes, the CFO is the person I'm most interested in. He can highlight fraud in a LOT of different realms trump has been accused of... from money laundering with the russians to money laundering through his 'fake' charities, so on and so forth. Can't wait to hear what this guy has to say...Quote: darkozIts in relation to the cohen issues
This CFO worked for trump for 20 years i believe and was directly in charge of most of trumps direct finances
He has still hired and surrounded himself with multiple people who have committed multiple crimes warranting decades in prison, and he's been doing that for years.
Is that somebody you want in charge? Somebody that incompetent and ignorant to what is going on around him? Somebody completely ensconced in massive criminal conspiracies going on all around him?
Quote: TigerWu
He has still hired and surrounded himself with multiple people who have committed multiple crimes warranting decades in prison, and he's been doing that for years.
So a regular ol president, then.
Seems a good precedent to set and what should be standard from here on out. Serve your 4-8, then right into the clink for life.
Quote: FaceSo a regular ol president, then.
Seems a good precedent to set and what should be standard from here on out. Serve your 4-8, then right into the clink for life.
If the right wants to claim look the other way because thats normal business then they give up their right to argue its atrocious when they claim a democrat is doing it
Quote: TigerWuLet's just assume for the sake of argument that Trump is absolutely and completely innocent of everything he's even remotely been accused of. I mean he's totally squeaky clean.
He has still hired and surrounded himself with multiple people who have committed multiple crimes warranting decades in prison, and he's been doing that for years.
Is that somebody you want in charge? Somebody that incompetent and ignorant to what is going on around him? Somebody completely ensconced in massive criminal conspiracies going on all around him?
Add to that he says he hired Jeff Sessions out of a sense of loyalty, rather than qualifications. Only the best people.
Quote: TigerWuThat almost ought to be illegal....
Quote:Giuliani indicted 11 high-profile mobsters during the 1985 Mafia Commission Trial, including the heads of the so-called “Five Families.” Many of those indictments were made possible thanks to Giuliani’s insistence on getting low-level mobsters to flip on their bosses in exchange for reduced sentences.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-news-rudy-trump-flipping-lawyer-20180824-story.html
Quote: FaceSo a regular ol president, then.
Nah, we haven't seen anything like this. The Trump administration is unlike anything we've experienced.
Quote: SteverinosNah, we haven't seen anything like this. The Trump administration is unlike anything we've experienced.
Do the rotors always return to the same position after landing? Not sure if that is what you are talking about.
Nevermind. Talk about posting on the wrong thread, I missed an entire forum.
Quote: SteverinosThe Trump administration is unlike anything we've experienced.
Then you've got to open your eyes.
Quote: FaceThen you've got to open your eyes.
So the theory seems to be
The democrats are blind that the people in office are generally corrupt
The righties know the people in office are generally corrupt and vote for them anyway because thats the way it is
Im not sure which has the higher ground here
How many people (notably federal employees) have been killed because of official fecklessness and malfeasance?Quote: SteverinosNah, we haven't seen anything like this. The Trump administration is unlike anything we've experienced.
Quote: FaceThen you've got to open your eyes.
I don't buy into the "all sides do it" and "all presidents are pathological liars" so it's "just business as normal" arguments. This behavior is not to be so easily excused.
Highly recommend:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/slow-burn/id1315040130?mt=2
Quote: SanchoPanzaHow many people (notably federal employees) have been killed because of official fecklessness and malfeasance?
I don't know if we'll ever know the official death count from the aftermath of Hurricane Maria.
Quote: SteverinosI don't know if we'll ever know the official death count from the aftermath of Hurricane Maria.
SanchoPanza's question is too vague and impossible to answer.
How many died from poor response to natural disasters?
How many have died from military actions?
How many have died due to changes in policies (health care, immigration, etc.)?
Yadda yadda yadda
There's way too many variables.
Quote: TigerWuSanchoPanza's question is too vague and impossible to answer.
How many died from poor response to natural disasters?
How many have died from military actions?
How many have died due to changes in policies (health care, immigration, etc.)?
Yadda yadda yadda
There's way too many variables.
I know a lot of people who died from boredom
Were you talking to them at the time?Quote: darkozI know a lot of people who died from boredom
Just what anyone can expect from such a socialist regime.Quote: SteverinosI don't know if we'll ever know the official death count from the aftermath of Hurricane Maria.
Were they federal employees?Quote: darkozI know a lot of people who died from boredom
Sorry, too easy of an opening.
Not if we start by looking at known casualties involving, as specified, federal employees. Granted though that might difficult to accommodate, this ridiculously sweeping statement, "Nah, we haven't seen anything like this. The Trump administration is unlike anything we've experienced,'' easily points to U.S. governments that have faked reasons for starting major wars as well as lesser sleazy operations around the entire globe. It is a loony exercise to equate overblown rhetoric to any sort of bloodshed.Quote: TigerWuSanchoPanza's question is too vague and impossible to answer.
How many died from poor response to natural disasters?
How many have died from military actions?
How many have died due to changes in policies (health care, immigration, etc.)?
Yadda yadda yadda
There's way too many variables.
Quote: mcallister3200I think they were reading the unedited draft of DarkOz’s book.
Sorry, too easy of an opening.
Possibly
Now if you had said the final draft them would have been fighting words
Quote: TigerWuSanchoPanza's question is too vague and impossible to answer.
How many died from poor response to natural disasters?
How many have died from military actions?
How many have died due to changes in policies (health care, immigration, etc.)?
Yadda yadda yadda
There's way too many variables.
Likely he's sideswiping Clinton and Benghaxi. And face I know you're anti-government but come on man.
For some it was better to elect Trump and see what he could do rather then have 4 to 8 years of the same old crap with a relative of an former president and 4-8 years of gridlock.. We get it.
We also get to complain about many of what i believe are terrible outcomes as a result of that choice, many of which can be measured.
You can add Gulf of Tonkin, Khobar Towers, "WMD's," Black Hawk Down, the USS Pueblo and the Iranians' making our sailors kneel and cry, among too many other examples of being shamed.Quote: boymimboLikely he's sideswiping Clinton and Benghaxi. And face I know you're anti-government but come on man.
For some it was better to elect Trump and see what he could do rather then have 4 to 8 years of the same old crap with a relative of an former president and 4-8 years of gridlock.. We get it.
We also get to complain about many of what i believe are terrible outcomes as a result of that choice, many of which can be measured.
Quote:CNN has exclusively obtained a copy of the "source agreement" between Sajudin and AMI, which is owned by David Pecker.
The contract appears to have been signed on Nov. 15, 2015, and states that AMI has exclusive rights to Sajudin's story but does not mention the details of the story itself beyond saying, "Source shall provide AMI with information regarding Donald Trump's illegitimate child..."
Quote: rxwineBetter send Melania off for a nice expensive vacation.
Melania is counting down the days till she can ditch Donald and “be best” with one of her secret service guys.
Perhaps she will dyke out with your girl/man Hillary. Or get with your man Michelle.Quote: ams288Melania is counting down the days till she can ditch Donald and “be best” with one of her secret service guys.
Quote: SanchoPanzaYou can add Gulf of Tonkin, Khobar Towers, "WMD's," Black Hawk Down, the USS Pueblo and the Iranians' making our sailors kneel and cry, among too many other examples of being shamed.
Boo freaking hoo. America has by far the largest military and blsck-ops operations in the world, by far. The only defense to that is assymetical warfare. The results of that are unavoidable under any Administration. When you send your soldiers into difficult situations and involve them in the number of sorties that you do mistakes are going to happen.
If you are going to let those isolated incidents solely dictate foreign policy decisions then one has to very poor grasp of geopolitics.
How many billions of dollars will Trump's ego cost you?
We can start with his investigation of fraulent voting which yielded squat. The cost of that investigation was how much, and it was fine why?
Quote: AxelWolfPerhaps she will dyke out with your girl/man Hillary. Or get with your man Michelle.
Either choice would be a huge step up from Donald.
Quote: SanchoPanzaNot if we start by looking at known casualties involving, as specified, federal employees. Granted though that might difficult to accommodate, this ridiculously sweeping statement, "Nah, we haven't seen anything like this. The Trump administration is unlike anything we've experienced,'' easily points to U.S. governments that have faked reasons for starting major wars as well as lesser sleazy operations around the entire globe. It is a loony exercise to equate overblown rhetoric to any sort of bloodshed.
Okay, so, Steverinos said "we've never seen anything like Trump," and you automatically jump to "deaths of federal employees" like that's the only criterion to judge administrations? What if Steverinos wasn't talking about that? We never saw anything like Obama either (half-black), we never saw anything like JFK (Catholic, screwed Marilyn Monroe), we never saw anything like Nixon (resigned), etc..... so why is it unreasonable to say we never saw anything like Trump, and the actions he has taken and the scandals that surrounded him while in office?
It's true. We've never experienced anything like Trump. I don't see what that's even an arguable statement.
Any righties, don’t try to counter by bringing up Obama’s 58 states... That’s tired.
Quote: darkoz
Im not sure which has the higher ground here
The answer is easy: Neither
Quote: boymimboAnd face I know you're anti-government but come on man.
Come on what? I'm not "anti gov", that's rudeboioi. What I am anti is corruption, disgrace, and dishonor, all of which have been hallmarks of higher offices for the entirety of my life. I wish luck to those trying to make a difference; genuinely, I wish I had your patience and energy.
Quote: ams288
Quote: gamerfreakArizona Senator John McCain has passed away at the age of 81.
I never frequent this thread because of how nasty it generally gets, but I almost posted about this. I for one am saddened by this. To me, he truly was an American hero. People may not have agreed with him on each of his issues, but he served his country dutifully for nearly 4 decades. I have been reading some posts in the comments section of Ben Shaprio's post about his death. They are some of the most awful things.
RIP John McCain
Quote: VCUSkyhawkI never frequent this thread because of how nasty it generally gets, but I almost posted about this. I for one am saddened by this. To me, he truly was an American hero. People may not have agreed with him on each of his issues, but he served his country dutifully for nearly 4 decades. I have been reading some posts in the comments section of Ben Shaprio's post about his death. They are some of the most awful things.
RIP John McCain
He would have been a decent president. Picking Palin was a gamble that didn't work for him but he was a dutiful political servant, a great American and a true stalwart classic Republican. He will be greatly missed.
Quote: FaceCome on what? I'm not "anti gov", that's rudeboioi. What I am anti is corruption, disgrace, and dishonor, all of which have been hallmarks of higher offices for the entirety of my life. I wish luck to those trying to make a difference; genuinely, I wish I had your patience and energy.
Face do you feel that certain governments have higher degrees of corruotion, disgrace, and dishonor than others?
How would you rank this administration compared to Obama, Bush 43, or the Cuomos?
Quote: ams288Donald J Trump is so stupid........ he doesn’t even know how to color in the US flag properly.
Again....this is why we oftentimes can't take you guys seriously. The fair points you may make are drowned out by this stupid. This is the epitome of complaining about Trump just to complain.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkI never frequent this thread because of how nasty it generally gets, but I almost posted about this. I for one am saddened by this. To me, he truly was an American hero. People may not have agreed with him on each of his issues, but he served his country dutifully for nearly 4 decades. I have been reading some posts in the comments section of Ben Shaprio's post about his death. They are some of the most awful things.
RIP John McCain
RIP. Yes, a true hero. If Congress had half the integrity of him, we'd be in a much better place.
Quote: RSAgain....this is why we oftentimes can't take you guys seriously. The fair points you may make are drowned out by this stupid. This is the epitome of complaining about Trump just to complain.
I wasn’t “complaining.”
I was making fun of his stupid ass.
Learn the difference.
But with Trump there is something almost EVERY SINGLE DAY, literally, showing how stupid he is, that completely blows 57 States out of the water. Even Bush Jr. could go weeks if not several months without saying something dumb.
