Trump's Second and Third year in office
Quote: Mission146In fairness, the left-wingers seem pretty well obsessed with Trump. I don't think it's JUST because of contrary ideas.
Yes, but I think that's just because of who he is, personality-wise. I don't think lefties were obsessed with, say, Bush 2 like they are with Trump, because he was basically just a standard politician.
EDIT: Also, the Trump "obsession" is based on what he is actually saying and doing. Oftentimes right-wing obsession centers around conspiracy theories and hypothetical scenarios (i.e., Pizzagate, "Hillary will be a warmonger," deep-state, Kenya, fake birth certificate, etc.).
Quote: RonCI think that the Democrats are going too far left and it may not help them in the coming election. Americans want sane immigration policy even if they don't want families broken up. Americans who work may like the idea of free college for everyone, but they also know that we can't balance the budget now...and wonder how much it will cost them in extra taxes--which is also an age issue...if your kids are out of college, are you going to be in favor of paying more taxes for others to go for free?
Could it be that President Trump is not helping the Republicans in the 2018 elections with his errors and missteps but that Democrats may help them more than he hurts them with their swing to the left?
Ding Ding Ding...if the Dems screw up the mid term softball that Trump has given them by leading with their far left candidates/platform, you're looking at a two term Trump Administration and at least a 6-3 Conservative SCOTUS. You better get your acts together on the Blue side of the aisle or its over for the Progressive Movement for the next 2-3 decades.
Quote: TigerWuYes, but I think that's just because of who he is, personality-wise. I don't think lefties were obsessed with, say, Bush 2 like they are with Trump, because he was basically just a standard politician.
EDIT: Also, the Trump "obsession" is based on what he is actually saying and doing. Oftentimes right-wing obsession centers around conspiracy theories and hypothetical scenarios (i.e., Pizzagate, "Hillary will be a warmonger," deep-state, Kenya, fake birth certificate, etc.).
I have clowns to the left of me and jokers to the right. What I'm saying is I want to be stuck in the middle with you. I want to be stuck in the middle with as many people as possible.
It seems to me that they hated Bush, or at least, the Iraq War or whatever you call it. Sometimes the issues are inseparable from the person, especially in the case of Iraq because he's arguably the only reason we were over there.
I think that many righties would argue that they just didn't like Clinton because of who she is, personality-wise. Fundamentally, I think righties and lefties can be fairly similar in terms of the most basic motivators...but not always. I guess what I'm saying is that, no matter what side you're on, you should always be asking yourself if your side (or yourself personally) is not occasionally guilty of what you are accusing the other side of doing.
I know I occasionally am, though I try to be as little as possible.
I'm not looking forward to it.
Consider:
2001 9-11. Intelligence missed the warning signs.
Really, that should be enougb, but then you have:
2003: Iraqi and Afghani war. Based partly on flawed intelligence again (no WMDs).
2004: 28 named storms including.4 major hurricanes that wiped out Florida and drained FEMA.
2005: Katrina devastated the Gulf Coast and destroyed New Orleans. Major PR disaster again as he flew over the site. Completely botched federal response.
2005: Based his early 2nd term on selling privatized Social Security to near-universal rejection and a further plunge into unpopularity and mistrust.
2005: Iraq troop surge with less than 10% support and great anger over the war to that date. He persevered and was right: it turned the war.
2007: housing market crash, major bank failures, general economic failure, including GM, Chrysler, and many other major industrials.
How does anybody get through all that? We endured. He endured. He did his best, but I'm not sure anybody's best would have been good enough. As it was, his approval rating tanked around 20% or less, and he left in quiet disgrace.
I think he will, with some more historical perspective, be judged as a better President than he is now. Not great, but better.
Quote: ams288Is right-wing media obsessed with this woman or something?
Righties constantly bring her up. Her primary upset was a big story for like a day or two in the MSM, and then they moved on. Yet righties keep constantly bringing her up every chance they get. I’m curious if the right wing media is trying to make her the next big boogeyman or something since Hillary isn’t running again? Otherwise I can’t understand why y’all are so obsessed with her...
It's concern trolling when it is done by the rightwing. Oh, you really need to worry about this trend.
NO, I don't!
People are going do what they are going to do. Stick to the values you believe in. Just keep trying to get rid of the corrupt in all parties. And Trump is one of my biggest targets right now.
Same thing is done by the leftwing: concern trolling.
And yet you want Trump to say they are the best in the world. Did you miss that whole, Manning, Assange, Snowden thing ? Mueller on wmd's. https://youtu.be/-18hcDSyvRM start at 1;40Quote: beachbumbabsBush 43 had maybe the 3rd most difficult Presidency in US history. I would put Lincoln over the Civil War, Roosevelt over the Great Depression and WWII as worse, in that order.
Consider:
2001 9-11. Intelligence missed the warning signs.
Really, that should be enougb, but then you have:
2003: Iraqi and Afghani war. Based partly on flawed intelligence again (no WMDs).
Remember Bush firing Americans and replacing them with illegals?Quote:2005: Katrina devastated the Gulf Coast and destroyed New Orleans. Major PR disaster again as he flew over the site. Completely botched federal response.
How could the skulduggery have slipped past the sec after the Keating five, and the S&L fiasco? Giving international banks TBTF status, wasn't happenstance.Quote:2007: housing market crash, major bank failures, general economic failure,....
Slip out the back, make a new plan, there must be 50 ways.Quote:How does anybody get through all that?
Of course he will, the winners write the history books.Quote:I think he will, with some more historical perspective, be judged as a better President than he is now. Not great, but better.
I wish Pappy would spill the beans before he croaks. It would be great to hear Prescott Bush's side of Smedly Butler, and the US coup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
Quote: ams288I have a question. Not for RonC specifically, but righties in general.
Is right-wing media obsessed with this woman or something?
Righties constantly bring her up. Her primary upset was a big story for like a day or two in the MSM, and then they moved on. Yet righties keep constantly bringing her up every chance they get. I’m curious if the right wing media is trying to make her the next big boogeyman or something since Hillary isn’t running again? Otherwise I can’t understand why y’all are so obsessed with her...
When someone ends up on the campaign scene in areas other than the one she is running in, that generally means they have gotten the attention of like-minded folks. She is not just the upset winner in a district any more; she is appearing with Bernie Sanders at rallies for other candidates. That fits the general profile of someone up and coming and maybe a group--Democrat Socialists--gaining power in the party.
A lot of those "up and comers" flame out, go to the back burner and reemerge later in their career, become career politicians, or even become President. They are a story, even if only for a few days or weeks.
Quote: rxwineIt's concern trolling when it is done by the rightwing. Oh, you really need to worry about this trend.
NO, I don't!
People are going do what they are going to do. Stick to the values you believe in. Just keep trying to get rid of the corrupt in all parties. And Trump is one of my biggest targets right now.
Same thing is done by the leftwing: concern trolling.
I don't think discussing different scenarios is "trolling" of any kind. People are going to do what they are going to do or perhaps they are discouraged by Facebook campaigns to not vote--maybe even some of both.
Talking about it in the context of "is it going to help or hurt" is not telling anyone they have to worry about it. It is just a conversation.
As far as ams’ point about why conservatives are obsessing about the Socialust winning the Congressional seat, I guess I am one of those obsessing. I live in NYS and have seen the’ Progressive’ plan(free college tuition, $15 minimum wage, higher taxes on the ‘rich’, expansion of Medicaid) implemented. The Dems here are so far left, well, in a year or two they won’t have me contributing to their agenda. 183 days in another state.... I do think the Socialist movement in the Dem party will backfire. What a blown opportunity for Moderate Dems.
Quote: petroglyphAnd yet you want Trump to say they are the best in the world. Did you miss that whole, Manning, Assange, Snowden thing ? Mueller on wmd's. https://youtu.be/-18hcDSyvRM start at 1;40
Remember Bush firing Americans and replacing them with illegals?
How could the skulduggery have slipped past the sec after the Keating five, and the S&L fiasco? Giving international banks TBTF status, wasn't happenstance.
Slip out the back, make a new plan, there must be 50 ways.
Of course he will, the winners write the history books.
I wish Pappy would spill the beans before he croaks. It would be great to hear Prescott Bush's side of Smedly Butler, and the US coup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
No, I think Bush was an ineffective boob and helped bring Trump about. He only looks better than he did when compared to Trump's malicious and craven abuse of his position to make money for himself and put the most crooked administration into office ever.
I just think that Bush's wounds, though self-inflicted, were sustained in a series of extraordinary events largely beyond.his control. 9-11, (Terrorists) hurricanes, (God) bank/housing/financial crashes, (Congress and lobbyists) none of that was within the specific purview of the Presidency. And very little of what he and his administration did was with malicious intent.
No, haven't forgotten any of the events you added.
Yeah, Bush41 could provide quite the window on the last 50 years.
Quote: ams288I have a question. Not for RonC specifically, but righties in general.
Is right-wing media obsessed with this woman or something?
Righties constantly bring her up. Her primary upset was a big story for like a day or two in the MSM, and then they moved on. Yet righties keep constantly bringing her up every chance they get. I’m curious if the right wing media is trying to make her the next big boogeyman or something since Hillary isn’t running again? Otherwise I can’t understand why y’all are so obsessed with her...
lol... Imagine being terrified by the idea of children deserving education and healthcare!
Quote: SOOPOOIn response to Mission’s statement that the far left vote for whoever has a D near their name.... WRONG!!!! If that happened in 2016 we would have President HRC! Enough either voted for a 3rd party candidate or were Bernie supporters and stayed home to allow DJT to WIN.
As far as ams’ point about why conservatives are obsessing about the Socialust winning the Congressional seat, I guess I am one of those obsessing. I live in NYS and have seen the’ Progressive’ plan(free college tuition, $15 minimum wage, higher taxes on the ‘rich’, expansion of Medicaid) implemented. The Dems here are so far left, well, in a year or two they won’t have me contributing to their agenda. 183 days in another state.... I do think the Socialist movement in the Dem party will backfire. What a blown opportunity for Moderate Dems.
If you think simply spending 183 days in another state will relieve you of paying taxes as a.NY State resident, you are going to be sadly mistaken. NY can be unbearably aggressive when pursuing high income residents who move out of state. Simply buying a second house in another state doesn't cut it. You had best be ready to cut all ties, sell all your properties,close all your bank and brokerage
accounts and stay out of NY , as well as being willing to fight them in courts.
I'm not sure if the cut off is $500,000 income or a.million but NY has a team of agents whose very existence revolves around making peoples lives miserable for attempting to claim out of state status. Ask Derek Jeter.
Quote: lilredrooster
Trump is much taller than that compared to Putin.
Quote: SOOPOOIn response to Mission’s statement that the far left vote for whoever has a D near their name.... WRONG!!!! If that happened in 2016 we would have President HRC! Enough either voted for a 3rd party candidate or were Bernie supporters and stayed home to allow DJT to WIN.
You’re right. If you swing 100% of the Stein votes to Clinton, she wins PA, WI and MI, good point. She was kind of the protest candidate for the Bernie people who were extremely upset about Clinton getting the nod.
I don’t know that every Stein vote came from the far left, but they probably did, most anyway.
I think it would have been different had Bernie won. He would have obliterated Trump in the General, at least that’s what almost every single poll at the time it was a relevant question points to. Most Moderate Democrats would have fallen in line and the Far Left absolutely would have been locked up.
I’d have still voted for Gary Johnson.
Quote: SOOPOOIn response to Mission’s statement that the far left vote for whoever has a D near their name.... WRONG!!!! If that happened in 2016 we would have President HRC! Enough either voted for a 3rd party candidate or were Bernie supporters and stayed home to allow DJT to WIN.
As far as ams’ point about why conservatives are obsessing about the Socialust winning the Congressional seat, I guess I am one of those obsessing. I live in NYS and have seen the’ Progressive’ plan(free college tuition, $15 minimum wage, higher taxes on the ‘rich’, expansion of Medicaid) implemented. The Dems here are so far left, well, in a year or two they won’t have me contributing to their agenda. 183 days in another state.... I do think the Socialist movement in the Dem party will backfire. What a blown opportunity for Moderate Dems.
Lol there is clearly no way we can agree when everything you stated as awful sounds good to me
You sound like a casino owner
"There is no way we can give away freeplay and free hotels. Thats a tax on our rich selves"
And im like "free play and free hotels sounds good to me"
An example of why the tariffs imposed by this administration are bad.
Quote: rsactuaryhttps://money.cnn.com/2018/07/24/news/companies/whirlpool-washing-machines-trump-tariffs/index.html
An example of why the tariffs imposed by this administration are bad.
It makes sense now! That’s how we’re going to have massively more infrastructure spending, by paying more for the steel, not by making more new stuff.
But, wait, how does that put people back to work?
It doesn’t?!
Oh, we’re not actually increasing infrastructure spending:
http://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/x/720978/Building+Construction/The+Presidents+Infrastructure+Plan+Has+Been+Revealed+But+What+Does+It+Really+Mean
The Feds are hoping to shift the costs to the states and are, “Incentivizing,” more state and local infrastructure spending.
Not sure what money the states are going to do that with.
Especially with steel costing so much more because of the tariffs...
Don't worry, Mission. All the steel used by the infrastructure programs will be US made and not subject to tariffs. US steel manufacturers won't be putting up their prices now, will they? Not even to finance/invest in their new operations which will need building or re-commissioning. And steel workers will be happy with the overtime and new jobs needed to make this new steel, so there won't be any extra cost burdens anywhere. No sirree. No sign that the tariffs will have any domestic effect at all. Certainly not un-anticipated ones, because trumpy has all his best people on it... well...Quote: Mission146Not sure what money the states are going to do that with.
Especially with steel costing so much more because of the tariffs...
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Look... There's a butterfly...
Quote: OnceDearDon't worry, Mission. All the steel used by the infrastructure programs will be US made and not subject to tariffs. US steel manufacturers won't be putting up their prices now, will they?
No way! Everybody knows that businesses reduce prices when they have less competition and a greater demand for the product! When you have people beating down your door in need of your product, there’s no reason to have high prices, because you have so much volume.
Steel was at a record low 02/16 and hit a record high (that it’s still much closer to) 12/17?:
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/steel
Highest steel prices in the world, now?:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/reason.com/blog/2018/04/25/massive-spike-in-american-steel-prices/amp
Oh, S***!!!
I guess the good news is that the big time shareholders and higher ups in steel companies are going to take these new found profits, and extra cash they have because of the tax cuts and reinvest it into the American economy. Why? Because trickle-down is awesome and totally works!
Quote:...
Look... There's a butterfly...
That’s better, thanks.
That reminds me, I’d better turn on the TV and see what the Kardashians have been up to.
Quote: billryanIf you think simply spending 183 days in another state will relieve you of paying taxes as a.NY State resident, you are going to be sadly mistaken. NY can be unbearably aggressive when pursuing high income residents who move out of state. Simply buying a second house in another state doesn't cut it. You had best be ready to cut all ties, sell all your properties,close all your bank and brokerage
accounts and stay out of NY , as well as being willing to fight them in courts.
I'm not sure if the cut off is $500,000 income or a.million but NY has a team of agents whose very existence revolves around making peoples lives miserable for attempting to claim out of state status. Ask Derek Jeter.
I've been told you just need proof that you actually spend more than half the year outside of NY, not just that you bought a house somewhere. When NY hiked the rates on the 'top 0.1%', they moved out. So instead of getting 7% of millions they now get 9% of nothing. Cuomo at his best....
Quote: TigerWuSo is now a good time to up the ratio of international holdings in my stock portfolio?
Maybe or maybe not. In general, foreign stocks mimic the Dow/S & P/Nasdaq. I am increasing bonds. Even with the Trump run up I am afraid of a Trump run down....
Quote: SOOPOOI've been told you just need proof that you actually spend more than half the year outside of NY, not just that you bought a house somewhere. When NY hiked the rates on the 'top 0.1%', they moved out. So instead of getting 7% of millions they now get 9% of nothing. Cuomo at his best....
That is 100 percent incorrect. If you are thinking about such a move, start planning now and get advice from someone who does this as a living. Jeter spend crazy money fighting NY. He claimed his Florida residence as his main home, voted in Florida, had a Florida license and still lost.
"The election is rigged, but only if the Democrats win!"
Trump concerned Russia will help Democrats in the midterms
So I don't get why trumps head isn't at putin's butt level... even if he's taller anytime trump is around putin he spends his time on his knees...Quote: Mission146Quote: lilredrooster
Trump is much taller than that compared to Putin.
Things that make you go hmmm......
Quote: billryanIf you think simply spending 183 days in another state will relieve you of paying taxes as a.NY State resident, you are going to be sadly mistaken. NY can be unbearably aggressive when pursuing high income residents who move out of state. Simply buying a second house in another state doesn't cut it. You had best be ready to cut all ties, sell all your properties,close all your bank and brokerage
accounts and stay out of NY , as well as being willing to fight them in courts.
I'm not sure if the cut off is $500,000 income or a.million but NY has a team of agents whose very existence revolves around making peoples lives miserable for attempting to claim out of state status. Ask Derek Jeter.
Correct. My old employer filed state tax returns for every state that I worked in longer than a month. The company that I currently work for ensures that state taxes are deducted and reported according to the work state of the employee, and they do payroll on behalf of major companies including ones HQd in upstate New York.
New York will want their piece.
Or you can read this from Bloomberg: Good luck
Talk to an accountant. A good one.
When I was Commissioned way back when, since I didn't own my own home, my address reverted back to the last permanent address I had, which was my parents. Therefore I was a NY resident and would owe NY State taxes even if deployed overseas. Only by buying a house in another state could I lose the obligation to give NY State 3.9 % of whatever money I made worldwide.
As I mentioned, NY has a special tax division assigned to investigation of claims by the rich that they no longer live in NY.
Jeter got screwed because while claiming he lived in Florida as his main residence, investigators searched his Manhattan penthouse and found enough to convince the tax court that he still lived there. One piece of evidence presented was where he spent the holidays and another was where he kept his Yankee trophies.
Quote: ams288
lol... Imagine being terrified by the idea of children deserving education and healthcare!
No one is saying people don't deserve education or healthcare. We're saying it shouldn't be paid for by the government (eg: more taxes) nor should it be the government's responsibility to provide those things.
Cortez is kinda cute though, I'll give her that.
Quote: RS
No one is saying people don't deserve education or healthcare. We're saying it shouldn't be paid for by the government (eg: more taxes) nor should it be the government's responsibility to provide those things.
Why do you accept that the government provides and pays for certain things and not others?
I mean, I'm assuming you're okay with K-12 public education, but why do you draw the line at college or trade school? Isn't that just as important, if not more so?
And, barring any kind of fraud, are you okay with things like SS, Medicare, and food stamps? If so, then why not health care?
Quote: RSNo one is saying people don't deserve education or healthcare.
Actually, I’m pretty sure there are plenty of people on your side who are saying exactly that.
Quote: TigerWuWhy do you accept that the government provides and pays for certain things and not others?
I mean, I'm assuming you're okay with K-12 public education, but why do you draw the line at college or trade school? Isn't that just as important, if not more so?
And, barring any kind of fraud, are you okay with things like SS, Medicare, and food stamps? If so, then why not health care?
I am in favor of K-12 being paid for directly by tuition, like a private school. I'm also against SS, Medicare, food stamps, etc. at least to the level that they're used today. I would be in favor of something like.....if you get fired or laid off from your job, you get some "benefits" for a short period of time (like maybe 2 months?) to help make sure you don't die in between jobs and after that ~2 months, you're on your own. Or better yet, the government doesn't get involved where it doesn't belong and you can opt to pay an insurance type of a thing that would replace those "benefits".
Just because something is important doesn't mean it should be provided to (thus forced upon) us by the government (eg: taxes). I view the government/life similarly to how I view a computer. When I buy a computer, all I want is the computer and very basic things in the computer. If I want to have games or programs on it, then I install those things myself. I don't want widgets, apps, or other crap on my computer. I pay for the programs I want and use and I don't pay for the crap I don't want nor use. A computer runs much more efficiently without all that stupid unused crap bogging it down.
Quote: ams288Actually, I’m pretty sure there are plenty of people on your side who are saying exactly that.
Source?
Quote: RSSource?
Innate Bias
LOL
Btw the way, I don't know what middle of the road Dems are suppose to do to more left wing people even if they disapprove. I know what happens when you split a party over rivalries though.
Suggesting free education is one thing. Even if Bernie was President, he would have a rough time working out the details of actually paying for it. Hell, Trump is still having a hard time funding a wall, which is one of the more unpopular ideas on the Democratic side. And Repubs hold the 3 houses of gov.
Quote: RSI am in favor of K-12 being paid for directly by tuition, like a private school. I'm also against SS, Medicare, food stamps, etc. at least to the level that they're used today. I would be in favor of something like.....if you get fired or laid off from your job, you get some "benefits" for a short period of time (like maybe 2 months?) to help make sure you don't die in between jobs and after that ~2 months, you're on your own. Or better yet, the government doesn't get involved where it doesn't belong and you can opt to pay an insurance type of a thing that would replace those "benefits".
I put benefits in quotes because it's not really a benefit. At least not the way I'm thinking of it.
Just because something is important doesn't mean it should be provided to (thus forced upon) us by the government (eg: taxes). I view the government/life similarly to how I view a computer. When I buy a computer, all I want is the computer and very basic things in the computer. If I want to have games or programs on it, then I install those things myself. I don't want widgets, apps, or other crap on my computer. I pay for the programs I want and use and I don't pay for the crap I don't want nor use. A computer runs much more efficiently without all that stupid unused crap bogging it down.
So you are not in favor of public education
Scary
Quote: darkozSo you are not in favor of public education
Scary
Why or how is that scary?
Quote: RSWhy or how is that scary?
Because you would wind up with a school instead of an indoctrination camp.
Hmmmm Tricky, State sponsored education with fairly common policies, operating within some sort of societal structure, PTA, board of governers, State authorities etc... or some privately funded wooden and asbestos shack operated by the local church of weird stuff / pedo club / KKK / ISIS / Trump university... whatever.Quote: MaxPenBecause you would wind up with a school instead of an indoctrination camp.
Pah who needs educashun anywey.
Tough choice.
Quote: RSWe're saying it shouldn't be paid for by the government (eg: more taxes) nor should it be the government's responsibility to provide those things.
Who is this "we" that you're talking about? The Democrats gave us Obamacare for 2014-16. Then we get Republicans elected to the White House and both parts of Congress under the idea that "Repeal and Replace" simply means to leave the law in place but stop funding it for a few years. As soon as the Democrats regain control (and it has always gone back and forth), they won't have to change any laws to give us the Affordable Healthcare Act back in full force. As far as I can tell, both Democrats and Republicans are ok with this idea. If you're speaking for any other group, it is an extremely small minority of American voters.
Same with education. Most funding for that is local. And in Nevada, the Republican Governor loves putting more and more money into education (Sandoval is a major reason from close to the very bottom in the country, to now somewhere in the 30s among per-pupil spending). Then in this years primaries the Democrats were arguing over who would be even more of a spendthrift on education. Again, when it comes spending money education, virtually every American involved in the political process shows support for it.
The other part is that we're $21 trillion in debt. The government has done a great job showing us that they have no problem spending money even if the revenue (more taxes) isn't there.
I forget the exact ratio but a college graduate should pay several times more in taxes than it cost to educate them.
Quote: MaxPenBecause you would wind up with a school instead of an indoctrination camp.
I am all for letting the market decide. But government spending is one of the largest markets we have. And even when you think we have an elected leader with an ideology that matches yours, we still find ourselves spending trillions on education. Perhaps we could take away states rights, like Trump wants to do.
Quote: RSWhy or how is that scary?
So people who cant afford to put their kids through k-12 dont receive education for their children
You have no problem with that
Just asking
Quote: TomGWho is this "we" that you're talking about? The Democrats gave us Obamacare for 2014-16. Then we get Republicans elected to the White House and both parts of Congress under the idea that "Repeal and Replace" simply means to leave the law in place but stop funding it for a few years. As soon as the Democrats regain control (and it has always gone back and forth), they won't have to change any laws to give us the Affordable Healthcare Act back in full force. As far as I can tell, both Democrats and Republicans are ok with this idea. If you're speaking for any other group, it is an extremely small minority of American voters.
I guess I'm not really sure who the "we" is I was talking about....other than myself and others who think similarly, who do not wish to rely on the government for as much as we are currently relying on it or for things people want to see going forward/presently (free healthcare, UBI, free college, etc.).
Quote: TomGSame with education. Most funding for that is local. And in Nevada, the Republican Governor loves putting more and more money into education (Sandoval is a major reason from close to the very bottom in the country, to now somewhere in the 30s among per-pupil spending). Then in this years primaries the Democrats were arguing over who would be even more of a spendthrift on education. Again, when it comes spending money education, virtually every American involved in the political process shows support for it.
I don't think any politician is going to support getting rid of public education in favor of privatized. It'd be pretty tough to do, to say the least. That doesn't mean I can disapprove or not support public education.
Quote: TomGThe other part is that we're $21 trillion in debt. The government has done a great job showing us that they have no problem spending money even if the revenue (more taxes) isn't there.
Quote: TomGIf "Repeal and Replace" was such a great strategy, why has our president been so scared and ashamed to call it Trumpcare?
Because half of Trump's schtick is just badmouthing Obama. He doesn't want to lose that edge.
The Trump administration on Tuesday announced up to $12 billion in emergency relief for farmers hurt by the president’s trade war, moving to insulate food producers from looming financial losses that would be a direct result of President Trump’s policies.
Oops....
Quote: TigerWuBecause half of Trump's schtick is just badmouthing Obama. He doesn't want to lose that edge.
The Trump administration on Tuesday announced up to $12 billion in emergency relief for farmers hurt by the president’s trade war, moving to insulate food producers from looming financial losses that would be a direct result of President Trump’s policies.
Oops....
Great welfare for farmers
Because they are being put out of work by trumps tariffs
You gotta love republican ideals
