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Quote: EvenBobName an absolute truth, just one. I dare you.
Quote:Absolute truth is something that is true at all times and in all places. It is something that is always true no matter what the circumstances.[1] It is a fact that cannot be changed. For example, there are no round squares.[2] There are also no square circles.[2] The angles of a triangle add up to 180 degrees. These are all true by definition. Very similar are the propositions of Euclid, because they are proved once the axioms are accepted. One way or another, these are all truths because they are logically true.
Quote:This means that if truth is not absolute it is not truth at all.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_truthQuote:Quite different are empirical truths. All the findings of science are empirical: they are based on evidence, and might be wrong or incomplete. Also, we can be wrong about what we think we see or experience. Of course, we rely on science and our senses in practical life. That does not alter the fact that absolute truth is only to be found inside a well-defined logical system. That kind of truth may, or may not, correspond to the real world. It is worth remembering that we do not live in Euclidean space. We live in space-time.
Can a straight line come around, or, conversely, a circle straighten? I don't see why not. But roundness is never straightness per se.
Hey, I hadn't thought of that term for decades, until you wrote about bears on opposite sides of the world. If I recall, there is objectivity/subjectivity, and then collective consciousness. Perhaps, God has to do with things evening out; or, more likely the other way around, it's science that evens out. The collective or interactive consciousness of science. The asymmetry of God/Devil.Quote:CC is not god, nor does it imply a god.
Quote: 1MatterToMotionPerhaps, God has to do with things evening out;
Perhaps god is a complete fiction, which
a total lack of proof seems to point at.
God is the go to scapegoat answer to
any question you don't know the answer
to. Give god the credit or blame him, that's
the ticket. It can't be proven either way,
it's the safest answer ever invented.
Quote: rxwineCosmology, Evolution and the brain are actually the hardest questions.
What science has done is added, and continued to add to the knowledge base of those and other fields. We don't have complete pictures in any of those but we've come long way to understanding more and more.
Religion didn't put the Hubble out into Space. Medical science enables us to cure disease that were incurable and treat others instead of letting people die.
What has religion accomplished in the last thousand years by comparison? Anything?
And as far as the three areas mentioned, we will have more bits of the puzzle in each areas in 20, 40, 100 years. And religion will continue to stagnate minds and reveal little, if we go by the trend it has followed so far.
Religion provided structure. Like it or not, Christianity, and more importantly, Judeo-Christian Laws and ethics allowed for Europe and the West to advance rapidly while the rest of the world stagnated. Religion was a very important part of maintaining stability which allowed nations to concentrate its resources on advancements in science and medicine. It's because Christians put God above their own needs to sacrifice themselves in the name of nationalism.
I do agree that religion has its place. But they are not mutually exclusive by any stretch of the imagination.
Quote: EvenBobgod is a complete fiction
This is all you needed to post.
Perhaps, we are the fiction, and God is the one who is real?Quote: rxwineYou can't compare religion to anything but nonsense, or mythology. Or perhaps bad fiction.
Quote: 1MatterToMotionPerhaps, we are the fiction, and God is the one who is real?
Perhaps you're just posting nonsense
to get a rise out of people.
Not at all.Quote: EvenBobPerhaps you're just posting nonsense
to get a rise out of people.
Hawking has a theory that the temporal part or dimension of our space-time is in the complex plane, numbers that are made up of a real part, and an imaginary (sqrt of negative numbers) part. To explain how the big bang could've avoided a singularity all together.
He goes on to write that our temporal part is likely the imaginary part of this plane. Now imaginary numbers aren't per se fiction, but neither are they real. But, some mathematicians argue that imaginary numbers are nothing more than "placeholders" in calculations to real numbers, and really don't exist at all.
I think that the danger is when we stop interrupting such consideration for the mundane functions of life. The other way around.Quote: rxwineThe danger in any position, including atheistic, is to no longer consider questioning what you believe.
Quote: 1MatterToMotionHe goes on to write that our temporal part is likely the imaginary part of this plane. Now imaginary numbers aren't per se fiction, but neither are they real. But, some mathematicians argue that imaginary numbers are nothing more than "placeholders" in calculations to real numbers, and really don't exist at all.
I read this 3 times and with each reading,
it became more confusing. Is that it's point?
My point about a god is, if he's real he
should be the most easy to prove
and obvious part of existence. But it's,
quite the opposite. You can look for
god all your life and not find him. This
should tell us something; not that god
is hiding, but that there is no god to
find.
1, 2, 3 and so on universal dimensions are all taken to be real numbers, and with the same number of real numbers or points in each. Hawking thought about dimensions that could involve complex numbers. Complex numbers like, eg, [1 - sqrt(-2)] can't reduce to a real number (point) on a number line, or physical singularity. Hence no big bang. Just a big crunch that comes out the other side of itself without being caught up in a singularity. So far as the temporal part, at least.Quote: EvenBobI read this 3 times and with each reading,
it became more confusing. Is that it's point?
An interesting question for the AP's. Should they believe in a God based on something all-powerful that is unseen or nowhere in particular because it's everywhere? Could God be taken advantage of? No, but God could be an advantage.Quote: EvenBobMy point about a god is, if he's real he
should be the most easy to prove
and obvious part of existence. But it's,
quite the opposite. You can look for
god all your life and not find him. This
should tell us something; not that god
is hiding, but that there is no god to
find.
Quote: boymimboReligion provided structure. Like it or not, Christianity, and more importantly, Judeo-Christian Laws and ethics allowed for Europe and the West to advance rapidly while the rest of the world stagnated. Religion was a very important part of maintaining stability which allowed nations to concentrate its resources on advancements in science and medicine. It's because Christians put God above their own needs to sacrifice themselves in the name of nationalism.
I do agree that religion has its place. But they are not mutually exclusive by any stretch of the imagination.
I can only agree that religion was a factor, but not that it was necessary, nor will be necessary in the future. So, I think they aren't necessarily forever linked. China does science without a prominent religion, for instance.
Or he is hiding.Quote: EvenBobI read this 3 times and with each reading,
it became more confusing. Is that it's point?
My point about a god is, if he's real he
should be the most easy to prove
and obvious part of existence. But it's,
quite the opposite. You can look for
god all your life and not find him. This
should tell us something; not that god
is hiding, but that there is no god to
find.
Quote: onenickelmiracleOr he is hiding.
Check the charred bushes in California.
Quote: rxwineI can only agree that religion was a factor, but not that it was necessary, nor will be necessary in the future. So, I think they aren't necessarily forever linked. China does science without a prominent religion, for instance.
China borrows ingenuity by stealing it from the West via hacking.
Quote: 1MatterToMotion1, 2, 3 and so on universal dimensions are all taken to be real numbers, and with the same number of real numbers or points in each. Hawking thought about dimensions that could involve complex numbers. Complex numbers like, eg, [1 - sqrt(-2)] can't reduce to a real number (point) on a number line,
When I read stuff like this I start to
nod off into nap time. Sorry..
Quote:God based on something all-powerful that is unseen or nowhere in particular because it's everywhere?
If this is true why would you worry
about it at all. All powerful,
invisible, unproveable. This also
describes cow farts and I don't worry
about them either.
If there was a god, it's not going to
be the personal god everybody thinks
it is. It would an uncaring, who gives
a damn god that you're better off
not knowing exists anyway,
Quote: boymimboChina borrows ingenuity by stealing it from the West via hacking.
Yes, but, they are still doing plenty of science.
https://www.livescience.com/59507-china-science-catching-up-to-usa.html
Yes, but would anyone want to live there? EB?Quote: rxwineYes, but, they are still doing plenty of science.
https://www.livescience.com/59507-china-science-catching-up-to-usa.html
And that is a bad thing? One God is better than two sleeping pills. Even the placebo effect isn't nothing.Quote: EvenBobWhen I read stuff like this I start to
nod off into nap time. Sorry..
Do cows fart? I grew up on a farm, and I've never heard one do it. And, you'd think it would be an extra big fart. But this doesn't mean they don't expel gas, or don't exist and have value.Quote: EvenBobIf this is true why would you worry
about it at all. All powerful,
invisible, unproveable. This also
describes cow farts and I don't worry
about them either.
Isn't the Bible based on times and events that are somewhat documented? Its authors were products of the same universe as God, so there must be connections and interpretations of.Quote: EvenBobIf there was a god, it's not going to
be the personal god everybody thinks
it is. It would an uncaring, who gives
a damn god that you're better off
not knowing exists anyway,
Quote: EvenBobIf there was a god...
So you allow the possibility of a god of some type?
He is positing a hypothetical.
For example, were I to say "If I were president," or "If pigs could fly."
Might not be that bad besides the pollution. Any third world country gives westerners a nice standard of living if you're healthy, have a modest income.Quote: 1MatterToMotionYes, but would anyone want to live there? EB?
Quote: JimRockfordSo you allow the possibility of a god of some type?
Do you know what the word 'if'
means or implies?
The mass majority of atheists are agnostic... I can't speak for bob but for myself I'm an agnostic atheist. This basically means "I'm not sure" because there's absolutely no proof, but in the same token the concept can't be disprove. It's not saying "100% THERE NEVER WAS NOR WILL BE A 'GOD'!!!" It's so good I also want to re-iterate what I said before about people who are so hard for their religion... Isn't it ironic how out of the ~3,000 gods that religions believe you don't believe in 2,999 gods and I don't believe in 3,000 gods?Quote: JimRockfordSo you allow the possibility of a god of some type?
Quote: RomesThe mass majority of atheists are agnostic... I can't speak for bob but for myself I'm an agnostic atheist.
Let me speak for Bob. I'm as agnostic about
a god as I am about Santa and the Easter
Bunny. Fables and fairy tales. There is nothing
supernatural about the universe as we know
it. The natural laws that govern us cannot
exist at the same time as a god. Choose one
or the other, but there is only one real choice.
I can't believe there are so many types and degrees of nothing, or of something that doesn't exist. Once you've seen one, you've seem them all.Quote: RomesIsn't it ironic how out of the ~3,000 gods that religions believe you don't believe in 2,999 gods and I don't believe in 3,000 gods?
Almost as silly as Hawking's claim that once you are on the North Pole, the only way to go is south.
And yet you believe in roulette systems? How odd.Quote: EvenBobLet me speak for Bob. I'm as agnostic about
a god as I am about Santa and the Easter
Bunny. Fables and fairy tales. There is nothing
supernatural about the universe as we know
it. The natural laws that govern us cannot
exist at the same time as a god. Choose one
or the other, but there is only one real choice.
The numbers in roulette add up to 666.Quote: AxelWolfAnd yet you believe in roulette systems? How odd.
Quote: AxelWolfAnd yet you believe in roulette systems? How odd.
Which one do I believe in, I forget. You
seem to know, please remind me which
one it is.
Quote: 1MatterToMotionI can't believe there are so many types and degrees of nothing,
Why can't you, 'nothing' is easy to make
things up about, who's going to refute
you. It's things that actually exist that
are hard to make up stories about.
Quote: 1MatterToMotionYes, but would anyone want to live there? EB?
Well that's a different point. However many Chinese like and defend China where they live. Just ask them. Some of them even sound like Americans when they say, American cities are possible to live in without gunfights and chaos when foreigners mention such impressions. (except Detroit : [ ). Chinese cites are possible to live in also, on a day to day basis, without being rounded up, imprisoned or beaten by their government.
Quote: 1MatterToMotionAnd that is a bad thing? One God is better than two sleeping pills. Even the placebo effect isn't nothing.
Do cows fart? I grew up on a farm, and I've never heard one do it. And, you'd think it would be an extra big fart. But this doesn't mean they don't expel gas, or don't exist and have value.
Isn't the Bible based on times and events that are somewhat documented? Its authors were products of the same universe as God, so there must be connections and interpretations of.
I can assure you cows fart,maybe you had very polite cows,or you have bad hearing.
Quote: AxelWolfAnd yet you believe in roulette systems? How odd.
BURN!!
His cows have gone green, they don't want to be accessed of causing global warming.Quote: HunterhillI can assure you cows fart,maybe you had very polite cows,or you have bad hearing.
Quote: IbeatyouracesBURN!!
Please name these mysterious 'systems',
I don't get it.
Quote: AxelWolfHis cows have gone green, they don't want to be accessed of causing global warming.
As grass eaters, cows pass gas constantly.
They aren't loud like ours, the gas more or
less just leaks out with no noise. It's a
continuous process.
It was Spike, who used to talk about roulette systems.Quote: EvenBobWhich one do I believe in, I forget. You
seem to know, please remind me which
one it is.
Quote:The better your system, the less money you need. The worse your system, the more you need. Thats a fact.
Quote:Heres the thing. He knows I'm right about his system and he hates me for bringing it up. So it drives him insane that he can't trash my method because he doesn't know what I do. So he says I do nothing.
Quote:Know what I'm doing at 2am on New Years Eve? Testing. Thats all I do. Every spare minute. Thats what you do when you have a good system.
The link provided by 1MtM below is reportedly virus-infested: proceed with extreme caution, or better, don't use it.
http://www.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=7428&forum=Roulette_Message_Board
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/17534-roulette-2-1-bets/3/
Which also has snips of what I remembered part of his roulette strategy was.
Thanks for that. I was never sure what his strategy was.Quote: Dalex64
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/17534-roulette-2-1-bets/3/
Which also has snips of what I remembered part of his roulette strategy was.
??Quote: RogerKintThese system players must also believe the earth is round.
Quote: 1MatterToMotionThanks for that. I was never sure what his strategy was.
Still waiting to hear what my system is,
everybody accuses but nobody seems
to know.
Quote: EvenBobStill waiting to hear what my system is,
everybody accuses but nobody seems
to know.
The same can be said about Rob Singer or any other dumb*** with a system who touts it -- they are so very vague about their system just so it "can't" be refuted. "You don't know my system so you can't know if it's good or bad!"
Give it a rest.
it, click at your own risk. GG has been infested
for awhile now.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/29938-20-000th-post/29/#post621513
You claimed that you can beat roulette using some type of method that doesn't include promotions or anything like that, you wont even use a players card because you don't want them tracking you (that would be considered a betting system).Quote: EvenBob
I don't think you have ever really described your system because you know it would be easily debunked. If that happened... it would take away your ability claim you are some mysterious roulette guru and you would no longer be able to snow anyone dumb enough to believe.
It's probably hard to describe what are probably just gut feelings.
You say there's nothing supernatural in the world(I agree with you) however, you claim you can easily tell the difference between RNG's and ones generated by real spins or whatever by just looking. It sounds like you have supernatural powers to me.
Quote: AxelWolfIt sounds like you have supernatural powers to me.
There you go, then. Nuff said..
Quote: AxelWolfYou claimed that you can beat roulette using some type of method that doesn't include promotions or anything like that, you wont even use a players card because you don't want them tracking you (that would be considered a betting system).
I don't think you have ever really described your system because you know it would be easily debunked. If that happened... it would take away your ability claim you are some mysterious roulette guru and you would no longer be able to snow anyone dumb enough to believe.
It's probably hard to describe what are probably just gut feelings.
You say there's nothing supernatural in the world(I agree with you) however, you claim you can easily tell the difference between RNG's and ones generated by real spins or whatever by just looking. It sounds like you have supernatural powers to me.
Your a little obsessed, don't make me issue a restraining order. :)
All systems are the same, unlike advantage plays, which are all different.Quote: EvenBobStill waiting to hear what my system is,
everybody accuses but nobody seems
to know.
Regardless, how does having a winning system - assuming for a second that there is a way to predict when a streak will end - disprove or preclude the existence of God? Wouldn't system players want to believe in God, too, as would anyone who wants and tries to win, especially in the ultimate sense? If some One has made it, then here is hope for us.
Quote: 1MatterToMotionAll systems are the same, /q]
If that's true, then everybody uses
a system. We're all equal, why single
me out."It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
But of course, there is NO science that can prove God's existence. God's existence is only a matter of faith. There will never be a proof of God. If we Christians can believe in a Christian holy trinity by faith, then I have no right to make fun of Bob's belief in roulette systems and reincarnation, both of which also carry no known scientific proof.
Quote: boymimboNot that it matters, but I believe that Bob believes in reincarnation and that Roulette can be beat.
In a previous life he had a winning system. But he was a caterpillar then.
