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Ibeatyouraces
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October 4th, 2017 at 1:43:20 PM permalink
Quote: Skeptic

I could've phrased that better. There are very onerous restrictions on owning a full-auto firearm that makes them virtually impossible for normal people to get due to the costs. They are pretty easy for criminals to get though, cheaply.


Because criminals don't care how they get them.
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terapined
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October 4th, 2017 at 2:09:00 PM permalink
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Quote: Skeptic

I could've phrased that better. There are very onerous restrictions on owning a full-auto firearm that makes them virtually impossible for normal people to get due to the costs. They are pretty easy for criminals to get though, cheaply.


Because criminals don't care how they get them.



How many mass shootings in Australia since the ban?
Gun laws work
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Mission146
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October 4th, 2017 at 2:11:08 PM permalink
Quote: Skeptic

IIRC this is the first time in history that a legally licensed automatic weapon has been used in a crime - going back to the 1930's. that doesn't stop them from being illegally used often. They are virtually impossible to get in the first place but that didn't stop this did it? That's the point: restrictions only hurt those who abide by the laws.

No gun control would have stopped this guy from killing a bunch of people. You're about to learn quickly how knee-jerk feel-good reactionary regulations impact the lawful when your AP life is burdened by what might come. I'll still be there fighting for your freedom even though you won't be there for mine.



Yeah, but what about semi-autos? Again, my rail is against high capacity automatic or semi-automatic weapons capable of firing some arbitrary number of rounds per minute or faster...which I haven't yet determined a suggestion for.

Are we really taking fundamental human rights away to suggest that someone, short of an arms dealer, should not own twenty-three firearms (actually, more) and that the fact that he was able to get twenty-three firearms into a building for the purpose of public occupancy, apparently within three days, is not something of a problem?

Nobody is suggesting that every gun owner has done or will do something along these lines, just that it is senseless that something like this could happen to begin with.

Also, would metal detectors at the entrances of Mandalay Bay have stopped this event? That's my other angle, mandatory metal detectors at public buildings and venues with an occupancy greater than x. Again, I do not currently have a suggestion for what x should be, but it should be something.
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Skeptic
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October 4th, 2017 at 2:47:35 PM permalink
Do you even know what a "semi-auto" is? That they've been around since about 1900? That 40% of rifles sold today are semi-auto?

What new law would do you propose would have prevented Sunday night? Everything the guy did was already illegal.

It makes more sense to have airport TSA-level security screening in order to enter a casino. Why aren't you in favor of that? Lets outlaw comp'd rooms too.
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October 4th, 2017 at 2:57:36 PM permalink
Quote: Skeptic

What new law would do you propose would have prevented Sunday night? Everything the guy did was already illegal.

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Same laws they have in Australia
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Mission146
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October 4th, 2017 at 3:05:50 PM permalink
Quote: Skeptic

Do you even know what a "semi-auto" is? That they've been around since about 1900? That 40% of rifles sold today are semi-auto?



I wouldn't even completely restrict ownership of those, just modifications and how many a person could legally own.

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What new law would do you propose would have prevented Sunday night? Everything the guy did was already illegal.



What did he do that was illegal prior to breaking the first window?

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It makes more sense to have airport TSA-level security screening in order to enter a casino. Why aren't you in favor of that? Lets outlaw comp'd rooms too.



Who said I wouldn't be in favor of the first thing? That's not a bad idea for buildings and venues of a certain occupancy or greater.
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Neutrino
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October 4th, 2017 at 3:24:00 PM permalink
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The media is going to take the term SAR and run with it, which really isnít surprising if someone is not knowledgeable of the casino industry.

The shame is really on the casinoís for calling it a SAR when they use them so liberally to report non-criminal/AP activity.



I fully agree with this.

and furthermore they do this to criminalize cash and encourage civil forfeiture, and government control over our money
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October 6th, 2017 at 5:57:45 AM permalink
Speaking of the shooting at Mandalay Bay, I remember someone saying on a gambling website about a year before this tragic tragedy,"One of my biggest fears is that some literal loser who lost a lot of money gambling in the casino will start to shoot innocent gamblers in his rage over losing his money." I have read that the Mandalay shooter had lost money gambling at Mandalay Bay shortly before shooting people. I thought back to the poster's fear of a loser with a gun in a casino.
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LuckyPhow
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October 6th, 2017 at 11:38:37 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Speaking of the shooting at Mandalay Bay, I remember someone saying on a gambling website about a year before this tragic tragedy,"One of my biggest fears is that some literal loser who lost a lot of money gambling in the casino will start to shoot innocent gamblers in his rage over losing his money."



I dunno which post or what website you referred to. But, here's a June 2016 post from WoV that might interest folks: How Safe Are Our Casinos?.

Most comments focused a shooter inside a casino: How likely? How risky? Lots of discussion about checking purses, bags, backpacks, and car trunks. The last page has a great summary by DrawingDead of the 1980 bombing of Harvey's Resort Hotel in Reno. Bottom line from the thread was casinos seem "safe enough" even though most don't check for weapons (or explosives).
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October 8th, 2017 at 1:10:34 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

Speaking of the shooting at Mandalay Bay, I remember someone saying on a gambling website about a year before this tragic tragedy,"One of my biggest fears is that some literal loser who lost a lot of money gambling in the casino will start to shoot innocent gamblers in his rage over losing his money." I have read that the Mandalay shooter had lost money gambling at Mandalay Bay shortly before shooting people. I thought back to the poster's fear of a loser with a gun in a casino.



On the radio (Wayne Allen Root) from a supposed friend of his host, said that he recently won a $100k jp. Guy even paid off his marker before his rampage. I'm not sure what they consider recently but even WAR was like "who does that?" to the idea of someone paying off their marker right before their rampage.
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