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gamerfreak
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October 4th, 2017 at 9:23:16 AM permalink
The media is going to take the term SAR and run with it, which really isnít surprising if someone is not knowledgeable of the casino industry.

The shame is really on the casinoís for calling it a SAR when they use them so liberally to report non-criminal/AP activity.
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October 4th, 2017 at 9:52:21 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

The media is going to take the term SAR and run with it, which really isnít surprising if someone is not knowledgeable of the casino industry.

The shame is really on the casinoís for calling it a SAR when they use them so liberally to report non-criminal/AP activity.



It's not just that, but if this guy did have a gambling problem, serious aspersions are going to be cast on the casino industry as a whole.

It's going to be, "Oh, this evil and Godless casino industry fostering gambling addiction. But for this vile and unholy industry none of this would have happened!"

Should casinos make greater attempts to identify problem gamblers? Absolutely. But, problem gambling (if the case) didn't kill anybody no matter how much the media or gun enthusiasts (often Religious Right) are clamoring for a narrative.

What killed so many people are semi-automatic weapons and weapons that were modified, legally, to function in a manner closer to fully automatic with a guy able to perch himself on high ground and pick off a crowd.

But, we need a narrative so that we can take the attention off of gun laws, right? How can we accomplish that? I know, let's focus on the gambling, it did happen at a casino, after all.
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October 4th, 2017 at 10:43:28 AM permalink
Consistently cashing out large tickets without having any play recorded on your card will get you an SAR. Had a friend in the phone card business that thought he could use slot machines to transform the $10s and $20s into $100 bills. The folks at Resorts World didn't appreciate it. Seems that drug dealers do the same thing.
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October 4th, 2017 at 11:27:31 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

What killed so many people are semi-automatic weapons and weapons that were modified, legally, to function in a manner closer to fully automatic with a guy able to perch himself on high ground and pick off a crowd.

But, we need a narrative so that we can take the attention off of gun laws, right? How can we accomplish that? I know, let's focus on the gambling, it did happen at a casino, after all.




It's difficult to defend your freedom to do things you enjoy when you care so little for the same rights of others.

What killed so many people was a crazy person, not guns. You don't get to blame an inanimate object in one sentence and then complain when others blame your inanimate object in the next.
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October 4th, 2017 at 12:42:37 PM permalink
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It's difficult to defend your freedom to do things you enjoy when you care so little for the same rights of others.

What killed so many people was a crazy person, not guns. You don't get to blame an inanimate object in one sentence and then complain when others blame your inanimate object in the next.



How about the right to live? Is that a right I donít care about?

Someone wants to play with automatic weapons, have a blast! Keep shooting centers open for that purpose and make those owners authorized to have such weapons provided they donít leave the premises.

Handguns? Donít touch them. Iím perfectly fine with low capacity and low rate of fire weapons. I donít think that every shooting can be prevented or will be, I think this one and a few others could have been.

You know, everything that this guy did until he broke that window might have been perfectly legal. If you donít see a problem with that, Iím not going to convince you. If, whatever power that be or not be forbid, someone close to you is ever a victim of an attack like this....that might.
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October 4th, 2017 at 1:11:06 PM permalink
IIRC this is the first time in history that a legally licensed automatic weapon has been used in a crime - going back to the 1930's. that doesn't stop them from being illegally used often. They are virtually impossible to get in the first place but that didn't stop this did it? That's the point: restrictions only hurt those who abide by the laws.

No gun control would have stopped this guy from killing a bunch of people. You're about to learn quickly how knee-jerk feel-good reactionary regulations impact the lawful when your AP life is burdened by what might come. I'll still be there fighting for your freedom even though you won't be there for mine.
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October 4th, 2017 at 1:28:29 PM permalink
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IIRC this is the first time in history that a legally licensed automatic weapon has been used in a crime - going back to the 1930's.

Quote: Skeptic

that doesn't stop them from being illegally used often.



huh?
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October 4th, 2017 at 1:32:47 PM permalink
Fwiw, I don't think the player fills out, acknowledges, or even sees a CTR. It's for the cashier or accounting to do. Not sure how it would be used, except to build a file against future activity, or collectively at some central info point.

I won a bit over 10k on a table once, and cashed out. They filled out forms on their computer, but not only did not give me a copy to read or sign, they refused to tell me what they were or show me the screen. I'm pretty sure it was a CTR. I guess there could also have been a SAR, but it was a very ordinary situation other than the amount. They also did not ask for ID or SSN: they just used my players card info. And they did not issue a W2G, as the bets did not exceed the reporting ratio.
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October 4th, 2017 at 1:36:21 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Consistently cashing out large tickets without having any play recorded on your card will get you an SAR. Had a friend in the phone card business that thought he could use slot machines to transform the $10s and $20s into $100 bills. The folks at Resorts World didn't appreciate it. Seems that drug dealers do the same thing.



Yes, this is very common but it isn't really about turning them into bigger bills, it is because the people will say they won the money at the casino instead of identifying the true source of the funds. That is considered laundering the money.

Mission, it is only currency that counts toward the $10k. The feds are literally interested only in the CASH. If you ask the casino for a check instead of cash you will not be issued a CTR.
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October 4th, 2017 at 1:40:40 PM permalink
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huh?



I could've phrased that better. There are very onerous restrictions on owning a full-auto firearm that makes them virtually impossible for normal people to get due to the costs. They are pretty easy for criminals to get though, cheaply.

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