TomG
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September 16th, 2017 at 9:34:22 AM permalink
Additionally, we all misjudge our edges at times. Even if we commit fully to only making plays where we have the edge, we will fall short due to lack of information. Being overly cautious of those times would actually mean losing out on profits
Mission146
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September 16th, 2017 at 9:46:53 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

You're a degenerate.



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How in the hell can you go and call me an idiot or something similar when you're just a degenerate losing all of his money?




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The fact of the matter is, you're the idiot.



Do these qualify as Personal Insults? I just want to make sure. Is it cool if I go ahead and do my job on this one?

See you next week.
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mcallister3200
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September 16th, 2017 at 9:56:53 AM permalink
You should be commended for showing restraint on not dropping a longer one due to the short period of time between them. Unfortunately I feel like we're delaying the inevitable here, guys been banned in at least 3 different names where he migrated from. I'd prescribe anger management, or weed, same difference.

I will say that I don't understand for the life of me AP who also gamble recreationally -EV even at small stakes and am hesitant to work with them. I just can't understand it is all.
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Mission146
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September 16th, 2017 at 10:37:03 AM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

You should be commended for showing restraint on not dropping a longer one due to the short period of time between them. Unfortunately I feel like we're delaying the inevitable here, guys been banned in at least 3 different names where he migrated from. I'd prescribe anger management, or weed, same difference.

I will say that I don't understand for the life of me AP who also gamble recreationally -EV even at small stakes and am hesitant to work with them. I just can't understand it is all.



1.) I appreciate your commendation very much. It is especially meaningful that you would say that when you have been critical of me in the past, but in my opinion, always objective and willing to listen to my defenses of myself when you are critical.

2.) I technically should not drop a longer ban because my previous ban was fully rescinded. I really cannot hold him accountable to the previous ban when I withdrew it.

3.) I hope that it is not inevitable. I actually rather enjoy reading ZK's stories when they are not taking on an overly grandiose or whining and accusatory tone. I also think he's a pretty smart guy, but he seems to either not realize or not care that he is not free to say whatever he wants, here.

4.) Some people just like gambling and/or the games, I'm one of them. I probably like Craps and Video Keno the best, Craps because the game is just fun and VK because I think it's relaxing. I typically bet $0.10 at a time on VK, so you're talking 1,000 draws before I've hit roughly $10 in -EV. That's over an hour of entertainment for $10, at least, that entertains me. I think it's difficult to get an hour of entertainment for $10 short of staying at home, so my conclusion is that it is decent entertainment time value for the money, better still if at a place where alcohol is free. 2,000 draws and I'm at roughly $20 in -EV and 2.5 hours and definitely have had enough and am ready to go home.

Also, I do look at things in terms of EV, so I'm willing to risk 10% of my +EV on -EV games at a maximum. In other words, before I'll make $200 in VK bets ($20 -EV), I'll have to have found $200 +EV elsewhere.
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September 25th, 2017 at 8:01:20 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

You're a degenerate. The funny thing is, you have constantly called me an idiot whether on this forum or another. How in the hell can you go and call me an idiot or something similar when you're just a degenerate losing all of his money? The fact of the matter is, you're the idiot. For every other AP on here knowingly playing a -EV game, you guys also have problems. You guys are one step closer to becoming a degenerate. Once you do that, you're not a winning player anymore, you're just a degenerate gambler looking for an excuse to get action in with things like "Well, it's just a hobby and i enjoy it, i would waste money doing other hobbies I enjoy" or "I just do it recreationally", but in the end those are just excuses you tell yourself so you can be a degenerate. Even if people AP more than they play -EV games, it doesn't matter, you now crossed the side from a winning player to a losing player and it's just a matter of time.

If I dont think I have an edge, I never touch any other game whatsoever, i just don't see the point in -ev gambling. I have no interest whatsoever. Even when I bet sports years back, i was trying to backtest algorithms and systems to see if long term I had an edge. I would think of a strategy and backtest it by going back in time and recording every game I saw to see if the theory indeed worked. Sure it's still a small sample size, but the principle was still there and it did well. The point is, no bet was placed until I really thought I had some type of edge. I do still think sports handicapping has potential and could be an AP move, but it just doesnt intrigue me enough to find out in the long run in case im wrong, so i just stopped with it.

Even when Im counting blackjack, i cringe every time i have to play heads up knowing im at a disadvantage off the top. If something is -EV, it just gives me no enjoyment or interest whatsoever. I think many on this forum have serious gambling problems.





It was inevitable a post like this would show up in this thread.......... There's a lot of greed and arrogance in the AP community.
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September 25th, 2017 at 8:07:55 AM permalink
Quote: Dyvan13

It was inevitable a post like this would show up in this thread.......... There's a lot of greed and arrogance in the AP community.


The sad thing is, it's these "degenerates" that allow him to make money in casinos.
DAAIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
Mosca
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September 25th, 2017 at 10:04:02 AM permalink
I think that if you're an AP, you should not spend any time at -EV games. That would be like me showing up at my commissioned job and not trying to sell stuff. I'm not there because I like it (although I do), I'm there to make money.

For me, gambling is what I do for fun, and I don't care that it is -EV. My goal is to limit the risk and have some fun taking a chance. When it's time to make money I go back to work.
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Romes
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September 25th, 2017 at 11:41:44 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

I think that if you're an AP, you should not spend any time at -EV games. That would be like me showing up at my commissioned job and not trying to sell stuff. I'm not there because I like it (although I do), I'm there to make money...

As an AP, I disagree with this. There are plenty of reasons to play non-AP...

1) Checking new games for vulnerabilities (both known and "new" games).
2) Learning how a new game works/is played in a particular casino (online practice doesn't always equate to actual casino experience).
3) Putting in 'some' action at games other than your primary AP game.
4) As TomG pointed out, there could be "some" entertainment value for VERY cheap -EV.
5) Near "free" (cheap) drinks lol.
6) Hanging out with non-AP friends and wanting to have fun with them.
7) etc.

The list could go on.
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September 25th, 2017 at 12:18:06 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

5) Near "free" (cheap) drinks lol.


Pai Gow Poker is such a slow game that if youre playing at like $10-$15 minimum Im fairly certain its cheaper than drinking at almost any bar.
MrV
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September 25th, 2017 at 1:16:31 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

You're a degenerate. ... If something is -EV, it just gives me no enjoyment or interest whatsoever. I think many on this forum have serious gambling problems.



The difference between us is the difference between recreational gamblers and advantage players.

Recreation / avocation vs. vocation.

Gambling to me is no different than any other form of entertainment that I must budget for.

To you it's your livelihood.

I don't like to lose, but I expect to, and that's just fine: I'm a big boy, I can afford it, and my discipline is such that gambling is most certainly NOT a problem for me.

Oh, ZK: what exactly do you mean when you say I am a "degenerate?"

For that matter, what the hell do you actually know about me, my gambling frequency, my average bets, my wins, my losses?

I gave / give you grief because of your cocksure attitude, your refusal to accept advice, and your dismissive, holier-than-thou posts (cause and effect).
Last edited by: MrV on Sep 25, 2017
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