Police abuse of power - Why is it acceptable at schools when it's not acceptable at casinos?

Tl;dr The Police at my sister's high school routinely does something that would get them sued for millions if it happened in a casino.


Hi Everyone.

I'm sure everyone here knows that, if a casino demands your ID and you refuse, and then they get the police to come and demand your ID, and get your ID from the police afterward. That is SUPER illegal and will get the casino a huge fine.

And I'm also sure everyone here knows that, if a casino caught you breaking a rule but it's still legal, they can not call the police to arrest you or abuse you in any other way even though it breaks internal casino rules. As long as it's legal. For example, They can not do this for card counting, but they can do this for stealing chips.

Well, very similar abuses to this recently happened to my sister and several of her classmates at her high school...



I am under the impression that, if the police is paid by someone to be at a certain place. The police must NOT act in that person or entity's interest. The police must enforce the law, NOT that entity's internal policies. Because the police can only enforce state law and not internal rules, this is why the police can arrest for chip stealing but not for card counting at a casino.

My little sister goes to my local high school. Not too long ago the anti-gun public school board implemented a new policy that all students must wear school IDs at all times. Supposedly because "it somehow magically protects us from school shooters". Anyway there are many problems with this and the school charges $10 for each replacement ID and rumor goes each public school each month makes $500 from just making plastic replacement IDs. This and many other problems with the ID ended up pissing up all students and all teachers, from both sides of political spectrum regardless of their positions on gun control.

A week ago, something major happened.

About 20 students, my sister included, protested the policy by refusing to bring their IDs. The school demanded their IDs and was refused by the students. After a few minutes of confrontation, the principal got the SRO involved. The SRO, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_resource_officer, is a cop who works for the school. He is fully armed and always carries a concealed weapon.

The SRO started to target the 3 leaders of the protest including my sister. He demanded school ID from them, they refused. Then he demanded their driver's license from them, and they refused again. He said they must show their driver license because he is the state police. If they don't they will go to jail. In this process, he threatened all 20 of them with many other threats (I'll talk about that next). When he obtained the IDs from the protesting students, he passed the government IDs to the principal and the principal immediately went to make them replacement school IDs, and obviously, charged them $10 each to their school accounts.

That was what happened. But the process, was long and not pretty. The SRO repeatedly threatened the students with various charges. Such as "disturbance of peace", "obstruction of justice". That just makes me sick. The most ridiculous threat was that, the SRO targeted an Asian-American student with last name "Qin". He asked the student what his last name was and the student eventually gave in and said "Qin", so the SRO said "Chen?" and he said "yes". Later when the SRO received his ID he saw it was Qin and threatened to charge the student with lying to a police officer. The SRO insisted it should be pronounced like "Keen" because that's how the principal pronounces it, and because he said "Qin" and it sounded nothing like how it's spelled it was lying, and there was an intent to mislead the officer on his real name. Keep in mind this is a white cop telling a Chinese-American student how HIS name should be pronounced in HIS Asian language. You be the judge, https://translate.google.com/#en/zh-CN/Qin, click on the sound button to hear how it's pronounced in Chinese. I honestly think there may even be a case for racial discrimination here on the officer to be honest.



I was just so shocked how that can be legally allowed in a school. And I am very proud of my sister for doing her best to stand up to such abuse of power. Just imagine if this happened in a casino... The casino calls the cops on you and the cops demand your ID by threatening you with charges for being non-cooperative. Then the cop hands the ID to the casino security and says "go make this guy a replacement player's card and charge him for it"


I wonder if Bob Nersesian might think the school could be sued for millions here?

A school is not a casino. In most places, a School Resource Officer is a full fledged police officer, not a security guard.
Students, especially minors, in a school do not have the same rights as adults in a casino.

In most jurisdictions, your person anything you bring on school property (K-12, not colleges) is subject to a search. No warrant or probable cause required.

High school students have zero rights while on campus. Deservedly so, in most situations.

I side with the students, but don't think it's unreasonable, in theory. I would have advised them to go an official route, school board/PTA.

Admin should have just let them protest, I guarantee you this won't help their cause with the student population AT ALL.

By the way, this is nothing new. Hofstra required everyone on campus to have a school issued id on them at all times and to present it to any school official( including security guards) upon demand. When I transferred, they wouldn't forward my transcripts until I surrendered it. That was back when Reagan was President, and a college, not a high school.
The idea of an officer challenging a student on how his name is pronounced is a bit bizarre, but the OP chose to bury the lead.

Unfortunately in certain states including in non native casinos patrons have little to no recourse for comparable behavior in casinos. States without punitive damages officers feel empowered to do as they please, particularly one down south with no punitive damages, Louisiana. Bullying and threatening are common tactics.

State laws vary, of course, when mentioned:

1.) I am actually a little surprised that this is a new implementation at any High School. We had ID's when I was in school, early 2000's. It doesn't just protect from school shooters, it protects from anyone not authorized to be there being there. When we're talking about High School, it can be difficult to determine a student from a young-looking adult (or student from another school) who has no business being there.

At any school size, but especially for bigger schools, it stands to reason that not every staff member is going to recognize every student (or employee) as someone who should be there, hence ID's.

I don't remember if our ID's had our pictures, I think so, but I'm not 100%.

2.) Trespassing is illegal and there are laws against it. If someone is at the school who is not a student or is otherwise authorized to be there, that person is trespassing if asked to leave and the person refuses. The cop may be viewed as enforcing this law. The ID verifies identity, which verifies authorization to be there which verifies the person is not trespassing.

3.) Schools are permitted to have their own policies which may or may not have anything to do with laws as a condition of being at the school, dress codes are another example. There are disciplinary measures in place for those who violate these rules, up to and including expulsion/suspension.

4.) The cop got the ID's to provide to the principal to make proper school ID's, as a matter of school policy. Did the cop act according to the letter of the law? Maybe, maybe not. One alternative, though, would have been to demand the students to either present ID or leave the school. That would be perfectly within the law. Having been commanded to leave the school (or show ID) if the kids were to refuse, they would be defiantly trespassing. Now you're back into actual laws.

5.) Attendance of a physical school is optional in most cases, though education is often mandatory to a certain age. If the parents agree with the students that any school policies are unjustly invasive, then the parents have the option of enrolling the kids in a private school or home schooling them. There are multiple home schooling online regimens (most states) that will get the student a High School diploma issued either by the state or school district.

In short, if the kids don't like it, they don't have to be there.

6.) I agree with you as to the treatment of Mr. Qin, provided sufficient evidence, there should be some disciplinary for that as relates the officer.

7.) Really, they should have best been ordered to either present ID or leave the school immediately. They would then be marked as absent. I think that would have been the best way to go. If you tell them to show the ID or leave, and they refuse to do either, then you undeniably have them for trespass.

Much like a casino, they can demand you leave whenever they want to. Things can get hairy if it comes to cashing chips, of course, but the school isn't holding up anyone's money, here.

Quote: ahiromu

Admin should have just let them protest, I guarantee you this won't help their cause with the student population AT ALL.

Who the Hell cares? It's not a customer service oriented establishment. Why remove what few and soft authoritative teeth the school system has remaining?

In regards to point #7, if a child is supposed to be in school, I don't think the staff can just order them to leave. Schools must have some responsibility for kids in their care. Suppose the kid goes out and gets hit by a car when he is supposed to be in school. Parents put their faith in a school system that picks up their kids and drops them off.
Not a teacher, nor have I been the parent of a student for many years but I think there must be some responsibility.
Send them to detention, or an in school suspension, not just let them go wander wherever.

What happens if there's a kid at a school who does not belong to that school? If he can't show ID, would they ask him to leave? Or do they keep him there because he might be a student?

If they ask him to leave but he is a student there, then the school is in trouble for not being responsible for their student(s). If they require him to stay but he is not a student, they don't have any authority over him (I think)....would this not be kidnapping?


I don't see a problem with being required to show ID or else vacate the property. Although I'd amend it to being required to show ID if you're in a place where or when you're possibly not supposed to be -- walking around during class time, that type of thing.

Quote: RS

What happens if there's a kid at a school who does not belong to that school? If he can't show ID, would they ask him to leave? Or do they keep him there because he might be a student?

If they ask him to leave but he is a student there, then the school is in trouble for not being responsible for their student(s). If they require him to stay but he is not a student, they don't have any authority over him (I think)....would this not be kidnapping?


I don't see a problem with being required to show ID or else vacate the property. Although I'd amend it to being required to show ID if you're in a place where or when you're possibly not supposed to be -- walking around during class time, that type of thing.

Ok yes I understand how they can use the IDs to ask someone to leave the property but,

the main reason they said they implemented IDs is to save lives in cases of "mass school shooting"

I'd imagine the shooter would politely say "Yes sir, I will leave your property now"

No seriously how the hell does ID help stop mass shooting... what kind of logic is this

Quote: Mission146

State laws vary, of course, when mentioned:

1.) At any school size, but especially for bigger schools, it stands to reason that not every staff member is going to recognize every student (or employee) as someone who should be there, hence ID's.

I think this is exactly it. The population of our town is not too big but just recently I guess they decided that either our schools has grown to a size where staff can't recognize anymore or the shooting problem has become too frequent.

Quote: billryan

In regards to point #7, if a child is supposed to be in school, I don't think the staff can just order them to leave. Schools must have some responsibility for kids in their care. Suppose the kid goes out and gets hit by a car when he is supposed to be in school. Parents put their faith in a school system that picks up their kids and drops them off.
Not a teacher, nor have I been the parent of a student for many years but I think there must be some responsibility.
Send them to detention, or an in school suspension, not just let them go wander wherever.

I imagine any specific laws regarding that likely vary both by state and age. Since I know neither in this specific case, I'm afraid I cannot further comment as to this line of discussion. I think it would also matter (potentially) that the students were, in fact, recognized as students. If even the principal didn't recognize them, then what? As RS mentioned, can you force people who might not actually be students to stay there?

I think that another question is whether or not the students drove themselves to school or rode with another student. If the student did not use the school's transportation system in, then the student does not need the school's transportation system out. I remember High School and if you drove and had a parent's note, say you had a doctor's appointment or something, obviously your parent did not have to physically appear in order to leave. When eighteen, you simply told the school you had an appointment and left when the time came. Technically, there might be disciplinary for an unauthorized departure, but I think you could technically leave anytime you wanted when eighteen.

Again, it might be different because it seems that the principal (or someone else) acknowledged recognizing the students. The ones who drove can go right back home, though.

They must be bulletproof IDs, I mean, after all they're sold at $10 each and that's the only possible justification for the price

Quote: ProInTrainning

They must be bulletproof IDs, I mean, after all they're sold at $10 each and that's the only possible justification for the price

Hofstra charged many times that for a replacement id and that was thirty five years ago.
If there is a shooting, the card will quickly id you if you get shot in the head, and allow first responders to identify everyone.
What kind of id do minors carry these days?

Quote: Neutrino

I think this is exactly it. The population of our town is not too big but just recently I guess they decided that either our schools has grown to a size where staff can't recognize anymore or the shooting problem has become too frequent.

ID's alone are not going to stop shooters, I think we can all agree on that. Schools really should drop the line that ID's alone are going to stop shooters in and of themselves. What they do accomplish is the ability to easily recognize someone (who lacks an ID) as potentially someone who shouldn't be there. Someone who perhaps should not be there can be reported to staff, the SEO or other appropriate staff member(s) can then go investigate that person.

I will also stipulate that there have been a few other things implemented when I was in school that were not preventive.

1.) Metal detectors...at the front door.

-It doesn't take someone a lot of casing to know the front door can be avoided by parking in the student or teacher parking lot. Granted, you would have to know to enter prior to first bell, (or the front door was your only option, unless someone outbound held a door for you) but that's really not hard. Besides, it would make the most sense for a shooter who wants to inflict the most damage to go when the students are congregated pretty tightly, which is before they are all in their individual classrooms.

I hope that has been fixed.

2.) Identification of those who wish to enter.

-This is a good one, but it's not perfect. At my kids' Elementary School, the office is in front and is the only thing a person can access immediately upon being admitted into the building. The doors to the hallways (second set after the front doors) will not work. If you are supposed to be there (parent participation thing) they need to already have your name and where you are going, which you then need to verify. If it's an early pick-up, they send the student to you.

-I think that works very well, except for a few things:

A.) I wish they had a metal detector.

B.) I wish they required ID even from people who are, "Supposed," to be there or, "Supposed," to pick the kids up.

Your Sister

Haha, "Your sister," is the sort of thing I'd have said in school. But, seriously:

I respectfully disagree with her protest and consider it a protest against a very reasonable requirement that exists for the clear and present reason of identifying individuals who are or are not supposed to be in the building or on the property. That's why the food delivery people, among others, have to have visitor's badges at many schools.

I think that the idea of such a protest is borderline uncalled for. As discussed, there is a clear and present reason for the policy. Beyond that, how can the students claim that they are being unjustly put upon by having to adhere to a requirement that the school has when their very attendance is technically optional? I would say for some of them, but not necessarily all of them or your sister specifically, this was just to get themselves talked about.

If they want to change the official line as the reason for the policy, then they should endeavor to do that. I would sign a petition to that effect, ID's don't directly prevent anyone from shooting anything.

Also, I think the protest is sanctimonious. If any of these students have part-time jobs, or are interested in getting one, I'm sure they wouldn't pitch too much of a fit if the company hiring them required picture ID's to be worn while on property. Would someone who wants paid take such a stand against conditions of employment? Maybe a few, but I suspect most of those twenty would be or are okay with that.

Ultimately, it's an unnecessary stand against a policy that makes sense to have. Further, a policy to which they do not have to necessarily be subject if they can compel their parents to home school them. Alternatively, if at an age allowed by the state, they can withdraw themselves from school.

How much did they charge? Were they gold plated IDs?

Quote: ProInTrainning

They must be bulletproof IDs, I mean, after all they're sold at $10 each and that's the only possible justification for the price

It's not profit-incentive. The ID's have to cost a meaningful amount to serve as a deterrent to losing or forgetting them. Replace them for a quarter, and you'll be replacing them for 5-10% of the student body on a daily basis.

ADDED: The Hofstra ID's would have been far more expensive to make thirty-five years ago, especially if at the quality of today's ID's. Not like you could just zip a loaded image through a printer and laminate it.

By the way, pleasure to meet you, Neutrino's sister. Please forgive me for not addressing you directly, but it just clicked. What are you training to become a pro at?

Quote: Mission146

My Sister

I've talked to her since the incident quite a bit about it and I happen to know why the student body is angry at the policy, it's quite righteous in my opinion.

1: The cost of a replacement ID. IDs get lost by irresponsible kids all the time and the school probably knows this and uses this opportunity for a juicy "fundraiser". No prointrainning, they are not bulletproof.

2: They are quite angry at the school board taken "reactive" and "superficial/punitive" actions towards current events. We can't just allow policies that are meant to make us "feel better" if they don't actually contribute to the solution. This was actually brought to attention by a psychology teacher to the students and the principal isn't very happy with him. Rumor has it he may get fired for encouraging student disorderly behavior.

He used to be my teacher in high school and I can say he's an intelligent man. And I completely agree with him, when something happens in the news, companies tend to instill policies that are meant to look like they're doing something. His argument is, if you can do something about it by all means do. If you can't then don't waste money by trying to look like you're doing something for publicity sakes.

3: The massive hassle associated with accidentally forgetting one's ID and being constantly asked to present ID when it's not visible for what ever reason, including falling off its lanyard due to wear and tear. (some high-quality plastic that is...)

4: The replacement ID costs are not paid upfront. That means, they don't ask you for $10 cash and if you can't pay you don't get a replacement ID. Instead, they charge it to your school account for you to pay later, like a credit card, and then at the end of quarter parents get a bill for it. We all know credit cards encourage reckless spending, and this led to some large bills for some parents, which led to many angry parents.

5: A general feeling of violation of privacy, a Police-stateness, and big-brotherness caused by the IDs.

Anyway in regards to a company, Most companies have name tags or IDs, especially ones in customer service. But then again you're getting paid to do what someone asks you to do.

But in a company setting, the police can't just threaten you with "obstruction of justice" When the "justice" you're obstructing is company policy not the law right?

But that's what they did to my sister and her classmates at school.

Quote: Neutrino

1: The cost of a replacement ID. IDs get lost by irresponsible kids all the time and the school probably knows this and uses this opportunity for a juicy "fundraiser". No prointrainning, they are not bulletproof.

Deterrent. Replace them at cost (close to nothing) and people will lose/forget them all the time because the replacement cost is no longer a meaningful deterrent. You could use Suspensions as a deterrent, but that would be Draconian, does not promote the educational environment (should be there to learn) and some kids might actually want a Suspension.

Besides, every single ID that needs replaced is a disruption to the academic process. The students take time out of class, the teachers have to deal with sending the kids for replacements, which cuts into class time AND it takes Administration time to actually replace each individual ID.

Also, if the teachers get sick of having to send everyone to get replacements, then eventually the teachers will become lax in enforcing the policy. They probably will, anyway, in the individual classroom, as they get to recognize their students by face.

In order to promote the use and enforcement of ID in common areas, the cost of replacement must serve as a sufficient deterrent. If you wish to protest the cost, say to make it $5, that would be best done via petition...which could also include parental signatures.

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2: They are quite angry at the school board taken "reactive" and "superficial/punitive" actions towards current events. We can't just allow policies that are meant to make us "feel better" if they don't actually contribute to the solution. This was actually brought to attention by a psychology teacher to the students and the principal isn't very happy with him. Rumor has it he may get fired for encouraging student disorderly behavior.

I don't think he should be fired, I agree it stops nobody from being shot.

Even with that, you don't want unauthorized personages in the building as a matter of sensible policy. They could commit other acts that interfere with students, steal stuff or do any other number of things you wouldn't want happening. How about installing a small camera in the ladies room? Would the students enjoy that? Of course not! For that reason, you don't want to let any unauthorized people in. It's not just because of shootings.

Again, I would support a petition to change the official line on why they are doing it.

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He used to be my teacher in high school and I can say he's an intelligent man. And I completely agree with him, when something happens in the news, companies tend to instill policies that are meant to look like they're doing something. His argument is, if you can do something about it by all means do. If you can't then don't waste money by trying to look like you're doing something for publicity sakes.

Agreed, but irrelevant. There are other good reasons for the policy, and it would be better for those to be the stated reasons.

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3: The massive hassle associated with accidentally forgetting one's ID and being constantly asked to present ID when it's not visible for what ever reason, including falling off its lanyard due to wear and tear. (some high-quality plastic that is...)

Petition for better quality ID's and lanyards, or alternative means of sporting them. I would support that, especially if they are to cost $10 each. With ours, you could have a lanyard or a little metal clip, the clips were pretty reliable. If your clip or lanyard broke (but nothing happened to the ID) they would replace those for free.

Also, you could technically just carry it in your hand everywhere, like an officer showing a badge. That would be a pain for obvious reasons, though.

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4: The replacement ID costs are not paid upfront. That means, they don't ask you for $10 cash and if you can't pay you don't get a replacement ID. Instead, they charge it to your school account for you to pay later, like a credit card, and then at the end of quarter parents get a bill for it. We all know credit cards encourage reckless spending, and this led to some large bills for some parents, which led to many angry parents.

Boo-Hoo for the parents, tell them to teach their kids some responsibility for their possessions. Also, have the parents teach the kids responsible financial habits...that would have REALLY helped me my first thirteen years of adulthood.

Besides that, they can home school if they really want to.

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5: A general feeling of violation of privacy, a Police-stateness, and big-brotherness caused by the IDs.

Um....

No, I'm not touching it. I mean, I'm Liberal myself, but I can't do this.

Quote: Neutrino

Anyway in regards to a company, Most companies have name tags or IDs, especially ones in customer service. But then again you're getting paid to do what someone asks you to do.

School pays. The job prospects for people are greatly enhanced with at least a High School Diploma or GED compared to neither of the above. Besides, the person could just try to convince parents not to send them to a physical school. If old enough, the person in question may withdraw himself/herself from school.

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But in a company setting, the police can't just threaten you with "obstruction of justice" When the "justice" you're obstructing is company policy not the law right?

But that's what they did to my sister and her classmates at school.

You are right on this one, which is why I got into trespass laws. A company would probably order you to leave (i.e. termination) if you refused to wear your ID, if you refused to leave, then they would call law enforcement to charge you with defiant trespass. Maybe even disturbing the peace, too, depends on the context.

Quote: Mission146

Um....

No, I'm not touching it. I mean, I'm Liberal myself, but I can't do this.

I lean conservative and the conservative parents are angry at this as well. See my state is generally conservative (30% margin of victory for trump) and we have enough probably majority support among the parents for a pro-gun route to solve the "active shooter" problem. Many parent committees voiced that the only effective way to stop a school shooter is to have the school securities pack heat. Despite most likely having the majority of the community supporting this policy, the anti-gun school board implemented the ID policy instead and left many conservatives feeling like we got cheated out of a real solution and given a "fake" solution that is only meant to look like the board is trying to do something about it.

Quote: Mission146

In order to promote the use and enforcement of ID in common areas, the cost of replacement must serve as a sufficient deterrent.



Boo-Hoo for the parents, tell them to teach their kids some responsibility for their possessions. Also, have the parents teach the kids responsible financial habits...that would have REALLY helped me my first thirteen years of adulthood.

That is indeed one way to see the cost issue, but another way to see it is, this is an extra cost that just spurred out of nowhere. We didn't have this cost a year ago and nobody got shot back then.

I do understand the point of other benefits to ID though.

Quote: Neutrino

I lean conservative and the conservative parents are angry at this as well. See my state is generally conservative (30% margin of victory for trump) and we have enough probably majority support among the parents for a pro-gun route to solve the "active shooter" problem. Many parent committees voiced that the only effective way to stop a school shooter is to have the school securities pack heat. Despite most likely having the majority of the community supporting this policy, the anti-gun school board implemented the ID policy instead and left many conservatives feeling like we got cheated out of a real solution and given a "fake" solution that is only meant to look like the board is trying to do something about it.

Well, all this, "Big Brother," is some Alt-Left sounding bull crap in my personal opinion. Now, the reasons you stated above don't read like, "Big Brother," so that makes a little more sense.

Anyway, the answer is to vote out the school board next time the election rolls around. Protesting at the school and disrupting academics will do exactly zero to get the School Board out of office. Have the kids get out there come election time and go door to door in support of these views. That would be a great Civics/Government exercise, anyway. I'd offer extra credit were I a teacher.

Even with that, though, the Board should then change its official line. The fact is that there are many good, sane, legitimate, reasonable and intelligent reasons to have an ID policy in place at schools. Again, I'm surprised the school hasn't had such a policy for over a decade.

I agree that ID's do not stop bullets. I don't know what to do about school shootings. I think officers of the law should be allowed to pack who are SEO's, I am neutral on whether or not teachers should be allowed to pack...my main concern is how well would the teacher be trained on preventing himself or herself from being disarmed? With a crap ton of training, maybe.

Quote: Neutrino

That is indeed one way to see the cost issue, but another way to see it is, this is an extra cost that just spurred out of nowhere. We didn't have this cost a year ago and nobody got shot back then.

I do understand the point of other benefits to ID though.

Yes, we agree on the other benefits. I agree they do not stop bullets.

The cost of replacement does need to serve as its own deterrent, though.

I don't see any practical use of school IDs for students. Students will lose them. And it doesn't stop a student from coming in with a weapon. It's like putting up gates to a community - plenty of ways to get around it and it gives one a false sense of security. ID cards are the same. Every school should only have one unlocked door during school hours and a vigilant visitors policy where parents / visitors must report and sign in to an office, preferably at a front door. If staff want to wear ID cards or name tags during the first week, I think it makes sense so that students can identify staff.

This is really a gun control issue or a gun advocacy issue depending on what side you're on. In my view, people with any sort of mental health history should not be able to have a gun. But frankly, it's gotten so out of hand where gun ownership of any type is such a right where the only choice is to "defend yourself".

That means guns in schools. It's a solution I don't want to support, but frankly, if the school is staffed by an law officer or an SEO, s/he might as well should be trained to carry and be prepared to use to defend the school. And if the staff is comfortable and people feel that the school is susceptable, a couple of extra weapons stored under lock and key (or safe) in a staff or principal's office might be ok too.

Of course, when a lawfully owned gun is used by an SEO and an innocent dies, it will be an "accident" and it will be seen that having guns in schools and dealing with a sum of accidents is better than preventing a mass shooting at a school.

School ID's are for proof you belong there and to prevent unwanted people from entering. Nothing more. No different than a military ID to get on a base.

Quote: boymimbo

I don't see any practical use of school IDs for students. Students will lose them. And it doesn't stop a student from coming in with a weapon. It's like putting up gates to a community - plenty of ways to get around it and it gives one a false sense of security. ID cards are the same. Every school should only have one unlocked door during school hours and a vigilant visitors policy where parents / visitors must report and sign in to an office, preferably at a front door. If staff want to wear ID cards or name tags during the first week, I think it makes sense so that students can identify staff.

What IBYA said. I agree they don't prevent weapons from entering.

Has nobody ever worked anywhere in which you must have an ID with you (technically) to be in the building? I've had three different jobs at non-customer facing locations that still required an ID to be there.

The school can enforce a student ID policy I don't see a problem, however your sister had a constitutional right to refuse to present her government issued ID the cop knew this that's why he threatened, bullied her.
She or anyone else is only required to present ID if the officer suspects she/he has committed a crime or
suspects she is about to commit a crime he must be able to articulate this (reasonable articulable suspicion).

Your sister and friends should have stood their ground on the gov ID.
The internet is a great place she can watch youtube ID refusal videos
and be enlightened when she is or is not required to show ID, one
can also learn how to defend one's self against the threats and bullying tactics.

I went down this path it is empowering, I do not fear police encounters I am
not intimidated now that I'm fully aware of my rights and their limitations.

Amazing that police, so-called educators, and elected officials are wrong on every single level, while the teenagers are the ones who are absolutely correct

-A major reason to have school police is to help build positive relationships between police and teenagers. This is having the exact opposite effect. When asked to show ID and the 10th grade rebel who thinks they're smarter than they really are says "I remain silent, I want my lawyer," are the school police really going to put them in handcuffs?

-In Las Vegas, 19 out of 20 high school principals understand that they have a number of homeless and displaced students and charging $10 every time a teenager forgets or loses their ID would cause a hardship on those families. Also, in Nevada, although schools can issue charges to students to replace school property, there is no legal way to enforce it. Many will say that they can withhold a diploma or transcripts, but actually doing so is illegal.

-The IDs do nothing to stop school shooting. A lot of school shootings are committed by students who would have their IDs. If an ID can be replaced anytime someone forgets theirs at home, there will be a lot in circulation, making it very easy for a non-student to get one. And if the purpose of the rule is to identify outsiders who bring weapons onto campus, all the rule does is lead to confrontations and escalate those situations.

-If there is even a hint that minority students are being asked to show ID more than white students, the school board loses in court in a matter of seconds, possibly even having to pay a lot of money.

-Hand out snacks (only cost 10- to 20-cents in bulk) or raffle tickets randomly to students who are showing their ID, and then most of them will want to have their ID showing at all times, or gladly present it when asked.

Times have changed.

If I pulled something like this when I was in high school, my Dad would have me splitting, stacking (and restacking) wood for the entirety of my [justified] 3 day suspension.