Mexican Standoff
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Pure Hollywood. Most Western shootouts were at very close range, often involved several shots each and quite often both participants wound up dead as did a bystander or two which is why most towns banned the wearing of guns.Quote: WizardWhy do they always just stand there staring each other down for a long time in the Westerns?
Quote: WizardI'm not sure where to begin. How about, what are the basic rules of a dual? Assuming you were a good shot, what would be the reason not to shoot first?
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The Good carries a Colt 1851 Navy revolver with a loading gate cartridge conversion kit (which is anachronistic for the time).
One interesting question is who was the Bad intending to shoot first. Since he doesn't fire a shot, it is not clear who he was aiming at. In general I would think that the second shot fired could be more damaging. There is really no such thing as good aim with a pistol at a distance if you are in a rush to fire.
The Good had the advantage over the other two that he only had to worry about gunfire from one direction. In that sense the movie did stretch truth a little because initially he was still the fastest and the most accurate.
Over six hundred European Westerns were made between 1960 and 1980. It's remarkable that European filmmakers were so fascinated by this American film style.
Quote: pacomartinThe Good had the advantage over the other two that he only had to worry about gunfire from one direction. In that sense the movie did stretch truth a little because initially he was still the fastest and the most accurate.
Can you expand on this point, I don't see why he would not have to worry both of the others.
Anyone see the movie Barry Lyndon? In that movie the two participants took turns firing. I don't know how they determined who went first, perhaps they randomized it.
I've seen other movies where you walked 20 paces (or whatever) in the opposite direction and then turned around and fired upon a referees command.
What were the rules in the Hammilton/Burr duel?
Quote: WizardCan you expand on this point, I don't see why he would not have to worry both of the others.
The Good had removed the bullets from the gun of The Ugly the night before. Since he was the only one who knew this fact, he only had to worry about being shot from the Bad. The audience was unaware also.
In theory 'The Bad' might have chosen to shoot 'The Ugly' and 'The Good' could have taken his time to aim carefully and kill 'The Bad'. But that would have been a less than moral ending. Instead, 'The Good' outdrew 'The Bad' and wounded him. He then shot him to death in cold blood while 'The Ugly' was looking for bullets.
Of course, if 'The Ugly' had died in the Mexican Standoff, they wouldn't have had the great ending.
Quote: pacomartinIn theory 'The Bad' might have chosen to shoot 'The Ugly' and 'The Good' could have taken his time to aim carefully and kill 'The Bad'.
I thought they used revolvers, in which case it would not take long to get a second shot off. Perhaps the dynamic at play is that it still take longer to rotate 120 degrees to shoot the second guy than it takes him to unholster his gun and shoot.
A practical question is how long did it take between shots to cock the weapon?
Finally, what is the proper Spanish word/expression for pistol, pistola or arma de fuego?
Quote: WizardI thought they used revolvers, in which case it would not take long to get a second shot off. Perhaps the dynamic at play is that it still take longer to rotate 120 degrees to shoot the second guy than it takes him to unholster his gun and shoot.
A practical question is how long did it take between shots to cock the weapon?
I'm not terribly familiar with this specific gun, but I would guess it's a double action (pulling the trigger both cocks and fires the weapon). If the cylinder is ever showed being spun out from the body of the gun, it's double. "Time to cock", in either case, is minimal. I shoot both double and single action revolvers, as well as semi and pump action shotguns and find no measurable difference in time to fire. In fact, the ones you would think would take longer (single and pump) are actually faster if you consider regaining accuracy after the first shot. I can get off 4 shots per second fanning the hammer of a Ruger .44 mag single action, which is pretty similar in size and weight of a Navy Colt.
I think "cocking" shouldn't be considered, since the unholster and the turn take so much longer in comparison.
Three logicians walk into a bar. The bartender asks them "Do all three of you want a drink?"
The first logician says "I don't know."
The second logician says "I don't know."
The third logician says "Yes!"
Quote: WizardJoke Time!
Three logicians walk into a bar. The bartender asks them "Do all three of you want a drink?"
The first logician says "I don't know."
The second logician says "I don't know."
The third logician says "Yes!"
Took a second but I chuckled. Nice break from reading deeds.
Quote: AZDuffmanTook a second but I chuckled.
Me too! Glad you liked it.
Quote: WizardI thought they used revolvers, in which case it would not take long to get a second shot off. Perhaps the dynamic at play is that it still take longer to rotate 120 degrees to shoot the second guy than it takes him to unholster his gun and shoot.
I realize this thread is old but I just saw it.
It takes a very good gunfighter about 1/3 of a second from when the signal is given to unholster the weapon, cock it, fire it, and hit the target. I only know this because my daughter shoots Quick Draw competitions. She is 16 and shoots a colt 45 with a 7 inch barrel and her best time is about a half second.
Quote: WizardJoke Time!
Three logicians walk into a bar. The bartender asks them "Do all three of you want a drink?"
The first logician says "I don't know."
The second logician says "I don't know."
The third logician says "Yes!"
Very good! lol...
Quote: WizardJoke Time!
Three logicians walk into a bar. The bartender asks them "Do all three of you want a drink?"
The first logician says "I don't know."
The second logician says "I don't know."
The third logician says "Yes!"
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That must be the episode I missed. Is the chickie an android?
By the way Perdition, where have you been? Please post more :)
Quote: gpac1377That must be the episode I missed. Is the chickie an android?
By the way Perdition, where have you been? Please post more :)
That is Lal, a prototype Android that Data built based on himself. Unfortunately, her positronic brain was not stable and she became nonfunctional within the scope of one episode. It was sad.
Anyway, I didn't get it either.
Quote: AcesAndEightsAnyway, I didn't get it either.
Quote: DRichI realize this thread is old but I just saw it.
It takes a very good gunfighter about 1/3 of a second from when the signal is given to unholster the weapon, cock it, fire it, and hit the target. I only know this because my daughter shoots Quick Draw competitions. She is 16 and shoots a colt 45 with a 7 inch barrel and her best time is about a half second.
This saves you the trouble of having to brandish your shotgun when she brings home a date like in the movies.
