Empty the dealer's stacks...
I remember one day when this guy was winning at the BJ table, and he kept insisting that he be paid in reds, even when he'd bet $40 or $60. He accumulated six or seven huge stacks of reds, and then he spilled his drink right into the midst of them. In trying to catch the glass, he knocked about 3/4 of his chips on the floor, where they rolled in all directions. Play came to a complete halt on several tables as dozens of people were on their hand and knees looking for chips. I think he did get most of them back :)
Quote: mkl654321I remember one day when this guy was winning at the BJ table, and he kept insisting that he be paid in reds, even when he'd bet $40 or $60. He accumulated six or seven huge stacks of reds, and then he spilled his drink right into the midst of them. In trying to catch the glass, he knocked about 3/4 of his chips on the floor, where they rolled in all directions. Play came to a complete halt on several tables as dozens of people were on their hand and knees looking for chips. I think he did get most of them back :)
I remember one night at a baccarat-table when the only other person there was a very-old chinese woman who, like myself, was "betting black".
After about an hour, she was ahead by about five of those plastic chip-holders of black chips. Off hand, i have no idea how much that is, but i sure wish i had followed every one of her bets. (I'm not one to "follow the leader(s)" at a baccarat-table.) Also witnessed a player clean out the dealer's purple chips, but in that case not with the degree-of-proficiency of that woman.
I mentioned it the next day to one of the regulars at that casino, and he told me that she had done something like that the day before... maybe i would've "followed her all the way to h*ll" for that second trip. At that point, heard her ask the pit for a "gold" player's card (, when that was the top level at the "new" Caesar's Windsor many years ago)... and saw her leave, apparently never to be seen again, after being denied it.
Quote: GarnabbyAt that point, heard her ask the pit for a "gold" player's card (, when that was the top level at the "new" Caesar's Windsor many years ago)... and saw her leave, apparently never to be seen again, after being denied it.
It's truly amazing how often a player gets denied comps/privileges because he or she has been winning, even though they've been playing a -EV game and will be a cash cow for the casino in the long run. Casino management has the intelligence of retarded flatworms.
Quote: SOOPOOI was playing pai gow yesterday, a $10 table, players betting between 10 and 30 on average. The dealer had an unbelievable string of poor cards. One player when betting 30 would not accept any green chips for a win. I noticed the 5's getting low so I was happy to accept them. It was a very friendly table, and the guy was not a jerk, and he politely asked me to help him empty the house's reds. We came very close, as the dealer continued to lose. One of the winners then colored up to leave, so we never made it to zero reds. Is this ever a goal for anyone here? It almost seemed like he was more excited about the dealer's low stack than his expanding one...
Yeah, doesn't seem all that interesting to take all the reds. If the dealer runs out, he'll just ask again for you to color up. If everyone continues to refuse, the game will stop until they can order and be delivered a fill. Do it with whites if you'd really like...it won't take as long.
As for the comps after winning a lot, I imagine they still don't just give out their highest level card for a session or two of high rolling. I would guess it had to do with her play, and not her winning. If she lost and only played for two days, they might not be ready to credit her with elite status either.
When a player has more than $200 in red, and demands more red when betting $15 and winning or more, I pay him in green. If he asks for Red, I say "no...because you are not short on red."
If he asks for the floor's position on this, the floor will also say no, because the player is just playing games and acting like a jerk - when we're working to try to properly provide service to all. Playing goof-ball games with chip colors is not in the spirit of gambling.
Quote: mkl654321It's truly amazing how often a player gets denied comps/privileges because he or she has been winning, even though they've been playing a -EV game and will be a cash cow for the casino in the long run. Casino management has the intelligence of retarded flatworms.
A friend of mine was playing penny slots at Bally's AC, she hit for $20k. She got a top card and a slot host, on the spot. I'm certain that she is no longer ahead $20k.
Quote: mkl654321It's truly amazing how often a player gets denied comps/privileges because he or she has been winning, even though they've been playing a -EV game and will be a cash cow for the casino in the long run. Casino management has the intelligence of retarded flatworms.
Usually, though, winning has no effect on the comp rating, but other things "influence" the ratings.
A player's action level is tracked on a system called "D.A.R.T." and the floorman or dealer puts in the average bet, buy-in, and cash out, while the system tracks the time played.
Quite often, if a player's been kind to the dealer, or very patient with a table situation, the floorman will bump up a rating via increasing the "average bet," regardless if the player is winning. If a player's been a jerk, (like trying to run the dealer out of a chip color or what have you), the player will get a poor "average bet" regardless of what he bet, unless it was a very high amount - in which case it would be "somewhat reduced."
I'm against this kind of "adjusting" on ethical grounds, and I do not do it myself; I always put in accurate numbers, although I have at times told players their behaviour was inappropriate if it was so. But I see the comp rating get adjusted quite often, almost always based on what the floorman thought of the player ("jerk" versus "nice guy") although it is almost never done based on just winning and losing.
Quote: mkl654321It's truly amazing how often a player gets denied comps/privileges because he or she has been winning, even though they've been playing a -EV game and will be a cash cow for the casino in the long run. Casino management has the intelligence of retarded flatworms.
I agree. To them, the house edge means they should win all the time.
Heh. The pit probably was steaming and hated her a$$, because she was a quick and speedy winner. They like grinders who stay at the table forever going up and down. Typical Harrah's mentality; they should've given her the card even if she didn't have enough prior play.Quote: GarnabbyI remember one night at a baccarat-table when the only other person there was a very-old chinese woman who, like myself, was "betting black".
After about an hour, she was ahead by about five of those plastic chip-holders of black chips. Off hand, i have no idea how much that is, but i sure wish i had followed every one of her bets. (I'm not one to "follow the leader(s)" at a baccarat-table.) Also witnessed a player clean out the dealer's purple chips, but in that case not with the degree-of-proficiency of that woman.
I mentioned it the next day to one of the regulars at that casino, and he told me that she had done something like that the day before... maybe i would've "followed her all the way to h*ll" for that second trip. At that point, heard her ask the pit for a "gold" player's card (, when that was the top level at the "new" Caesar's Windsor many years ago)... and saw her leave, apparently never to be seen again, after being denied it.
When I went to Caesars Windsor, they just had the crummy mini-bac. The table at Niagara Fallsview is much better.
Quote: GarnabbyAfter about an hour, she was ahead by about five of those plastic chip-holders of black chips. Off hand, i have no idea how much that is...
Five racks of black? That's, like, fifty grand (each rack holds five stacks of twenty chips).
Damn.
I've got the time and the brain cells to pay attention to my own chips, not the dealers. Any sort of color or fills will be arranged between the dealer and the pit personnel. Its not a goal for me to achieve any sort of "side fun" with making extra work for the dealer. If I've been tipping greens and he announces to the floor: Toking up a black, that is a matter for the casino, not for me. I'm simply aware of it but not concerned with it. If a dealer has his tray being depleted of a certain color that is his problem and I'm sure he knows how to deal with it. I'm playing whatever game I'm playing. I'm not playing mind games with the dealer. My mind is on my bet and on my bankroll. I don't even focus on the dealer's tray visually much less mentally. It would be a distraction to me. I focus on my bets, my glass and occasionally the cocktail waitresses tray and legs. I do not focus on the dealer's chip tray.Quote: SOOPOOIt was a very friendly table, and the guy was not a jerk, and he politely asked me to help him empty the house's reds.
Quote: FleaStiffIts not a goal for me to achieve any sort of "side fun" with making extra work for the dealer. If I've been tipping greens and he announces to the floor: Toking up a black, that is a matter for the casino, not for me. I'm simply aware of it but not concerned with it. If a dealer has his tray being depleted of a certain color that is his problem and I'm sure he knows how to deal with it. I'm playing whatever game I'm playing. I'm not playing mind games with the dealer. My mind is on my bet and on my bankroll. I don't even focus on the dealer's tray visually much less mentally. It would be a distraction to me. I focus on my bets, my glass and occasionally the cocktail waitresses tray and legs. I do not focus on the dealer's chip tray.
FleaStiff - thank you!
For a certain select gambling population, the action is not in the actual game being played, - but in taking shots at the dealer - or in creating some other game.
The dealer is responsible for controling his money rack, to include not running out of a color, particularly the most commonly used and needed one to handle table action. This is a "write up" offense.
The dealer is also in charge of running the game, and not letting players run the game on him. Failure on this is considered a termination offense.
Obviously, a sharp dealer can handle this - but what if you had a dealer who's a break-in, or had a bad day? Putting a dealer in such a position is the move of a jerk, period, end of story.
A good dealer quickly sets the ground rules, and sets up boundaries against such shenanigans, and will - along with the floor - respond with the word "No."
The player will be asked - "are you here to play Pai Gow Poker, or are you here to take shots at the dealer as your source of joy? Because if you're here to play Pai Gow - then we're your casino, but if you're to take shots at our dealers, you're done for tonight. Security will escort you to your car, thank you." I've heard floormen say this, God bless them.
I could see how that would be a pain in the butt to the dealers if they ran out of chips for such a large number of players.
I feel like this is equivalent to paying for your meal at McDonald's in pennies. They will have to count those 400 pennies there at the counter. Then at the end of the shift, they will have to count them again, to make sure the cash register balance is correct. If you are paying in pennies because you're a panhandler and that's how you make your living, I guess that's OK. But you're a pretty big jerk, if you are just trying to amuse yourself at the expense of an underpaid employee.
Sometimes I have a couple of players come to my table with a stack of red each ($100 each in red) when my rack is already full in red. When they color up, I then have to give the red back.
The best rule is to follow the advice of the dealer or floorman running the game; if he asks for a color-up, then oblige; if he asks that you take some red, then also oblige. When receiving change at a grocery store for $10, do you make an issue of getting a ten, versus two fives, or a five and five ones? No. Same here.
What's that all about? I mean, they don't know whether I intend to start playing green, or what. I've never been able to figure out a reason for this behavior - whether it really is a rule they have to follow, or if the dealer is just being a jerk for no good reason.
When this happens, I usually say "fine, then color it all up, I'm done here."
It's fun to empty a rack though. We were at a Casino Royale crap table once on a GREAT run. They were seriously running out of chips. The dealers were a little embarrassed because the felt where the last couple of stacks use to be were all dusty. The felt in those places had not seen the light of day in a long time. All of us at the table were very amused and pleased with that sight.
Quote: BigTipPeople are entertained by different things.
People are indeed entertained by different things. What matters is that the entertainment is appropriate for the venue. Not always it is,
Quote: BigTipHe might thought it would NOT annoy the dealer.
Maybe true. But if he were getting off on annoying the dealer as "the game," - which all too many "players" do, then no, it was completely inappropriate.
Also, if a player is oblivious as to what might and might not annoy the dealer, and to what is courteous table behavior, then he isn't a very astute or considerate casino player.
This forum is a forum of gamblers, where the gamblers' point of view can be freely expressed, which is very fine, but a little input from casino workers does help to balance things.
I am also a gambler, so I do play by the rules that I know as a dealer. Some of the worst shot takers, along with some of the most gracious players, are fellow dealers and floormen.
There are a lot of dense people in the world. I know at a poker table I have seen a player at the end of the table never learn to put their bets within reach of the short armed dealers. But again, I think it is because they are slow learners, not because they are doing it on purpose.
I'm not doubting Paigowdan at all though. There are some screwy people out there.
I've seen the same thing occasionally at craps tables. Makes you wonder why they don't have a dustbuster nearby for this situation. Of course, the answer is obvious. Using a dustbuster on a live table would make surveillance's heads explode.Quote: BigTipWe were at a Casino Royale crap table once on a GREAT run. They were seriously running out of chips. The dealers were a little embarrassed because the felt where the last couple of stacks use to be were all dusty. The felt in those places had not seen the light of day in a long time. All of us at the table were very amused and pleased with that sight.
I heard the story that once, (maybe more than once), when checking the deep rows of the black chips, they found stacks of black chips that were composed of two black chips covering up 18 white ($1) chips....that made surveillance's heads explode....
Horsehair brushes are used to remove dust from tables....
Just recently, there was a French bank-robbing gang that used high-power vacuums to suck money out of banks that used pneumatic tubes to send the bills into the vault.
