Why do I like VP but find Blackjack too mechanical?
you follow a strategy sheet.
if dealer has this and you have this, then you do that.
I find it too mechanical. I Might as well be a robot.
I don't find any fun in it.
I like video poker.
but it's also follow a strategy sheet.
if you have these cards, you do this according to the strategy sheet.
so why do I like vp and not blackjack?
This can be quantified by checking EV/SD. You'll see that as you play long sessions flat-betting BJ, the EV starts to approach one standard deviation at a steady pace [in absolute value]. Personally, I think once EV is even 10% of one SD, it's time to figure you are pushing your luck to continue, if you expect to come out ahead .
I sometimes will play a short session.
Stand 12 vs 4-6, stand 13 vs 2-3, stand 17 vs 7-A, otherwise hit. That's like 90% of decisions or something.
Video poker is much more complicated, even the most basic of strategies. For a complicated game like 9/7/5 DB, it'd take a paragraph to explain how to play an Ace high hand and many different ways to play it -- Ace only, 3 card flush, A + K/Q/J.
So with video poker, it gives a lot more illusion of decision making when it's really just a more complicated strategy.
Quote: monet0412VP is non stop action. Also you can rush making 4000 x your bet... you can also have many other big hits. Visually stimulating with that one more turn psychological effect. Great benefits with VP compared to BJ. No interaction with people so your in your own world with more control for control freaks... or at least a feeling of control. Clearly less heat with VP. Just a few reasons IMO.
You can make 4,000x your bet? That must be one heck of a progressive!!!
UX? STP?Quote: boymimboYou can make 4,000x your bet? That must be one heck of a progressive!!!
UX? STP?Quote: boymimboYou can make 4,000x your bet? That must be one heck of a progressive!!!
Double super times pay
Power house
Barnyard poker
Hot roll poker
Gud times pay
Maybe wheel poker
For the other six variations do we have any pictures of a 5x or more win?
Has anyone hit that? Are there VP junkies that play those variation games? Does the variance become too high with the extra credits bet?
(1) you are in control over the play.
(2) you are antisocial.
(3) You don't like the dealer.
(4) You want more hands per hour.
(5) You want larger pays and endure the different variance to have a chance at it.
(6) You want measurable comps or have a multiplier with slot play.
(7) You don't want to play with other jerks.
(8) The casino cheats at blackjack (see other thread)
(9) The casino cheats at VP
(10) You would rather stare at a CRT than the middle of a pit.
Quote: boymimboMultistrike I think is 8 x 800 = 6,400 but you bet 4 units so it's only x 1600 (you bet 20 units to win 32,000).
For the other six variations do we have any pictures of a 5x or more win?
Has anyone hit that? Are there VP junkies that play those variation games? Does the variance become too high with the extra credits bet?
Some people do, yes.
Variance is higher but that doesn't mean it's unplayable. Either need a bigger edge, bigger bankroll, or lower denom.
Quote: boymimboNo I understand. I just wonder if there are videopoker folk are AP that play these games.
im not AP but if there was a multiplier day that puts the vp game over 100%, i'd play it even if there is nose bleed high variance.
ie:
multistrike (9/6 JoB) = 99.79%
variance = 300
this is the highest variance vp game I've ever seen
Quote: onenickelmiracleIn black jack it can appear knowing nothing you might be better off at times. Hit/bust, stand/lose, at a few moments you might wish you hunch bet.
You could also be batsh*t lucky in VP too by doing something stupid like keeping wrong cards and getting a Royal anyway:
I submit exhibit A:
This strategy is wrong.
This strategy is right.
You can tell what kind of gambler I am - these pay tables are crap.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI'm still waiting for the A,10 suited hold in NSUD where the other three cards are 9, 7, 5 offsuit.
I know someone who claims if they have 2,4,6,8 rainbow with any 10 on single line and redraw a Royal they will quit VP for life.
Semi-recently playing DDB, I held an Ace only and redraw four 2/3/4's. Or maybe it was TDB I don't remember (it was on 5c UX).
Im still waiting for:Quote: RSI'm still waiting to hold 3,4 suited on TDB and redraw three more 3's or 4's.
18 yo's in a row and no one bet it once.
To lose 30 hands of BJ in a row. I'm up to 7 as of now, or was it 5? F it, let's round up to 8 and disregard pushes.
Hit 5 single lines Royals in one day, AND STILL LOSE.
Quote: AxelWolfIm still waiting for:
18 yo's in a row and no one bet it once.
To lose 30 hands of BJ in a row. I'm up to 7 as of now, or was it 5? F it, let's round up to 8 and disregard pushes.
Hit 5 single lines Royals in one day, AND STILL LOSE.
I was just playing ten play TDB DSTP. Had one 3,4 suited opportunity and whiffed. Had two royals on separate deals though. I think videopoker.com is rigged.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI was just playing ten play TDB DSTP. Had one 3,4 suited opportunity and whiffed. Had two royals on separate deals though. I think videopoker.com is rigged.
When you buy the Gold membership it gives you a 2% advantage.
And a +4 Sword of Cardcounting.
Quote: RSI'm still waiting to hold 3,4 suited on TDB and redraw three more 3's or 4's.
Semi-recently playing DDB, I held an Ace only and redraw four 2/3/4's. Or maybe it was TDB I don't remember (it was on 5c UX).
Not 3,4 suited but it'll do with suited connectors.
Quote: AxelWolfIm still waiting for:
18 yo's in a row and no one bet it once.
To lose 30 hands of BJ in a row. I'm up to 7 as of now, or was it 5? F it, let's round up to 8 and disregard pushes.
Hit 5 single lines Royals in one day, AND STILL LOSE.
I want three Royals on a Triple Play while holding four cards.
Quote: DRichI want three Royals on a Triple Play while holding four cards.
Two of three. Third picture down.
http://forum.videopoker.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9067
I'm still waiting for the 5th 4 of a kind card to show up.Quote: DRichI want three Royals on a Triple Play while holding four cards.
What suit is it usually, a star? (-;
Quote: DRichI want three Royals on a Triple Play while holding four cards.
Not royals, but check out the first three hands.
Quote: AxelWolfI'm still waiting for the 5th 4 of a kind card to show up.
What suit is it usually, a star? (-;
I'm working on this...
There's a thought, a new 65 card deck. Spades, Hearts, Diamonds, Clubs, Stars.
That would probably make it worse.Quote: IbeatyouracesI'm working on this...
There's a thought, a new 65 card deck. Spades, Hearts, Diamonds, Clubs, Stars.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI'm working on this...
There's a thought, a new 65 card deck. Spades, Hearts, Diamonds, Clubs, Stars.
Not new. It's already out there. I'll try and find it at the house; the name might be 5 Crowns.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI was just playing ten play TDB DSTP. Had one 3,4 suited opportunity and whiffed. Had two royals on separate deals though. I think videopoker.com is rigged.
That's incorrect on 9/6 TDB though. :P
Quote: rsactuaryI recently threw away all five cards and got As with a kicker! I will upload if I can figure out how.
Have to host on a third party site and put it here.
Quote: boymimboYou could also be batsh*t lucky in VP too by doing something stupid like keeping wrong cards and getting a Royal anyway:
I submit exhibit A:
This strategy is wrong.
This strategy is right.
You can tell what kind of gambler I am - these pay tables are crap.
Another one? But maybe you already posted this in the past and it was in my count. I have seen at least ten examples of Ace Ten royals I think; they all have mathematically incorrect. It really tilts me.
Quote: tringlomaneThat's incorrect on 9/6 TDB though. :P
Another one? But maybe you already posted this in the past and it was in my count. I have seen at least ten examples of Ace Ten royals I think; they all have mathematically incorrect. It really tilts me.
Who cares, it's free and I was goofing around :-)
One was mine on that crappy 6/5 BP Spin Poker.
The J-Q Royal was from the Bellagio in March 2010.
I've hit a few playing Multi-Strike (4) - none on level 4 (8x), a few paying pick-em (2-3), many playing multi-hand VP (5/10/50), and three or four playing single hand - three of them I've posted here -- one at Windsor, one at the airport (a month ago), 1 at Bellagio.
Quote: tringlomane
Another one? But maybe you already posted this in the past and it was in my count. I have seen at least ten examples of Ace Ten royals I think; they all have mathematically incorrect. It really tilts me.
ATs is actually a strong play. Not many people do it, therefore the machine is more likely to give you a royal since most people hold QJs or some stupid junk like that. The machine is due to pay out on ATs at many casinos.
Quote: djatcATs is actually a strong play. Not many people do it, therefore the machine is more likely to give you a royal since most people hold QJs or some stupid junk like that. The machine is due to pay out on ATs at many casinos.
"I only play bad paytables because they're more likely to hit."
