Counting with an alias?

So I've seen articles and heard about AP's who use aliases because their real name will get them flagged.

My question is: what does it mean to have an alias, and how can you legally get away with it?

Does one just get a fake id? My understanding is that would be illegal and extremely risky... or does one just tell them my name is "John Doe"? For us younger looking early 20 year olds who get carded every time we enter a casino how do we pull off an alias?

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So I've seen articles and heard about AP's who use aliases because their real name will get them flagged.

My question is: what does it mean to have an alias, and how can you legally get away with it?

Does one just get a fake id? My understanding is that would be illegal and extremely risky... or does one just tell them my name is "John Doe"? For us younger looking early 20 year olds who get carded every time we enter a casino how do we pull off an alias?

What state?

Nevada, and New Jersey

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Nevada, and New Jersey

I'm not suggesting or condoning the use of a Fake ID. But according to the experts it's not a crime to present a casino employee in the state of NV a fake ID. Where that line is crossed and it becomes a crime I don't know. For instance: getting a player's card and using benefits? Cashing in chips with a fake ID could lead to problems as they may think your are trying to avoid showing accululated money to avoid CTR type stuff.

I do believe it's illegal to even possess one in NJ and possibly other states.

You can't legally get away with an alias especially if you give them a fake ID. God help anyone if someone hits a jackpot and then gives a fake ID to try to cash their winnings.

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You can't legally get away with an alias especially if you give them a fake ID. God help anyone if someone hits a jackpot and then gives a fake ID to try to cash their winnings.

Whats the Nathan rule?

Repeat after me... I will stick to stuff I'm confident I know about. Perhaps things like forum aliases?

He's using it for Blackjack. People in NV get away with it often.

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You can't legally get away with an alias especially if you give them a fake ID.

Erm. YES YOU CAN legally get away with an alias. Using an alias is perfectly legal with very few exceptions. It's giving fake ID that is the problem.

I can't speak for US laws, but it's my understanding that I can call myself anything I damned well want to except when asked to identify myself by a police officer. Of course, I would not be able to prove any made up name that I give, so I cannot expect to get any sort of service.
With the police officer, I can generally decline to identify myself in most situations. But again, lying to the police or giving them fake ID is stupidly illegal most places.

As far as giving an 'adopted' name to some two bit casino employee, I would not hesitate, but what's the point if you are not backing it up with fake ID?

Many places, we are asked for name and address for totally spurious reasons, such as when buying high ticket items or joining clubs or gyms. That is just about gathering of marketing info, and I either decline or give a bogus and silly name and give my address as the address of the store or gym. E.g. in PC world when buying a TV, I would give my address as the name on the badge of the salesman or else Peter Charles World and my address as PCWorld Ltd, unit ( whatever) (whatever retail park...etc etc.) Confuses the hell out of them, but they take it or lose a sale. Same goes with collection of my email address and mobile number, they get whatever crap I choose to give them.

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So I've seen articles and heard about AP's who use aliases because their real name will get them flagged.

My question is: what does it mean to have an alias, and how can you legally get away with it?

Does one just get a fake id? My understanding is that would be illegal and extremely risky... or does one just tell them my name is "John Doe"? For us younger looking early 20 year olds who get carded every time we enter a casino how do we pull off an alias?

Give any made up name of your choosing to casino staff. If asked to prove it, don't tender fake ID, just leave and try your luck somewhere else. No offence committed.

U can obtain legal alias identification by applying for it with the government. I believe thats at the federal level and there are rules and limitations

Most celebrities have these

For example john waynes real name was marion Morrison. Guarantee you his id and credit cards all said john wayne

John Wayne legally changed his name early in his career.
His sons were Patrick Wayne and John Wayne Jr.

I worked, for a short time, for a company that provided transportation and security for many celebrities. Most traveled under their real names, not their professional ones.
Jennifer Lopez checks into hotels under a fake name, but flies under her real one., a an example.

You can legally use an alias for pretty much anything as long you aren't intentionally trying to defraud someone. (The most common thing there is specific laws on is names regarding business dealings and even then its just really for tax liability) I don't know how how it would play out if you were already backed off'ed or formally barred from a property and came back with an alias.

However, if you are trying to proactively use an alias at a casino you believe you will eventually get kicked from and want to stay off watch lists that would be legal. The trick would be finding out what ID you can legally create with an alias that security will actually accept. (depending on how strict the place is, might not be possible). If you wanted to do some hit and run, you could use some social engineering to get a non standard ID accepted at least once and that would be fine as well.

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I just say I'm RS from WoV. :-)

Hi folks, I’ve also heard of counters using fake IDs to get new player’s cards. I’m curious how viable that tactic is (not the use of the new player’s card, but rather how easy/hard is it to get a new card using a fake ID). I’m sure results will vary, depending on the quality of the fake, the various screening processes the casinos use, maybe even whether you get the player’s card at the pit vs the customer service desk(??).

If anyone has any info they can provide, that’d be awesome. Feel free to PM me too.