Letting someone spin your button is just a plain bad idea.
What a nasty "friend" this woman was to Jan. I am beyond speechless. No just no. SMDH.
Words cannot describe what I feel about that woman who walked off with his money. I tend to think she was a casino troll whose game plan was to get rich men to bet for her. I've seen the type lots of times.
Quote: WizardAny U.S. casino would have done the same thing. I've asked about this before at the Mandalay Bay and they said the person who pressed the button gets the money. Cases like this make it sound terribly unfair but there has to a line drawn in the sand, lest casinos get in the middle of such disputes all the time.
Words cannot describe what I feel about that woman who walked off with his money. I tend to think she was a casino troll whose game plan was to get rich men to bet for her. I've seen the type lots of times.
What do you think would happen if a random stranger walked by your machine and pushed the button and won? Would they be charged with theft of the bet amount? Would the casino keep the jackpot or give it to the stranger that pushed the button?
Quote: DRichWhat do you think would happen if a random stranger walked by your machine and pushed the button and won? Would they be charged with theft of the bet amount? Would the casino keep the jackpot or give it to the stranger that pushed the button?
I would think that a casino that awards a jackpot to some random stranger that pushed a gambler's slot buttons without the gambler's permission or acknowledgement would be rightfully hearing from the gambler's legal representative. And they would just look plain bad to any other gamblers.
Lawyers appear to agree, Flato said.
“No one would take the case,” Flato said. “That jackpot money is long gone.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article142963604.html#storylink=cpy
Makes no sense. So I put money in and someone pushes the button. If they get the money then they should be charged with theft.
Quote: GWAEMakes no sense. So I put money in and someone pushes the button. If they get the money then they should be charged with theft.
If I give you $2 to play Power Ball and you win the jackpot, are you going to give me the winnings?
Quote: IbeatyouracesIf I give you $2 to play Power Ball and you win the jackpot, are you going to give me the winnings?
Hmm good point. Ok so in this case I guess if he let her push the button then that is like giving her the money.
Now as mentioned if a random person walked up and pressed someone's button and won a jackpot, who should get the money? Based on law the person who pushed it gets the money, but by pushing it did they steal the money?
“No one would take the case,” Flato said. “That jackpot money is long gone.”
It seems like you could find many sympathetic jury members, just get the video showing who pulled money out of their wallet and put it into the machine.
BUT having said that, it is good to know that
whenever
Some sweet talkin' girl comes along singin' his song
Don't mess around
You just got to be strong,
Just Stop
and don't let them press that SPIN BUTTON.
* I am not an attorney qualified to practice law in the state of Florida.
Quote: GWAEHmm good point. Ok so in this case I guess if he let her push the button then that is like giving her the money.
Now as mentioned if a random person walked up and pressed someone's button and won a jackpot, who should get the money? Based on law the person who pushed it gets the money, but by pushing it did they steal the money?
I think that could get a bit more interesting. In the case in question, you have someone who was apparently permitting the woman to hit the button on the slot machine. In essence, that's effectively the same thing as outright giving her the money with which to bet...at least in the eyes of the law and the casino...and I don't know that same is an unreasonable assertion.
I think if someone came by and slapped the button without permission, or pulled the handle, at least the original money used to make the bet was definitely stolen. What would happen after that, I don't know, if there happened to be a jackpot.
http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/article143374859.html
She claims it was her money in the machine. She claims she allowed her friend to insert his slot card for points
She also claims they had played together at vp and he would keep his hand over her hand when the card to be drawn might result in a jackpot because they both were aware of the rule and this way they would both qualify for the jackpot but with the top dollar spin it was solely her spin
Now who to believe?
When I interviewed him for our podcast he indicated one reason he humored Marina was that it was a friendship "with benefits." I took that to me sexual benefits. For some reason she doesn't want her husband to know about that. Now she's trying to save her marriage by counterattacking.
A major issue is that Flato could find no lawyer willing to sue the Seminoles. I put him in touch with Nersesian who told him he had a strong case but Nersesian wasn't licensed in Florida. Suing Indian tribes is tricky. If Nersesian says there's a case here, I'm going to believe it, although Nersesian was depending upon Flato's statements --- which may have not been totally accurate.
Had the casino surveillance tapes been subpoenaed, which I suggested to Flato when we spoke but it was already three weeks after the fact before I heard about this which might have ben too late, it would have been easy to see who put the money in. You need an attorney NOW when this kind of thing happens.
The "whoever hits the button" rule of thumb is fraught with exceptions.
At the minimum, if there's a serious dispute, a casino should hold on to the money until it gathers more facts. And $100,000 automatically qualifies as "serious." That didn't happen here. Were there "benefits" between the woman and casino decision-makers? Who knows? But if there were, that might explain why the casino acted so fast and decisively in her favor.
Quote: RomesI just read in the article that it said she also placed $400 in the slot machine. It doesn't exactly specify if it was before or after the win, but if it was before then I would think she has a stronger case for the money given she also had money in the machine. Thus one would think when he spins it's his money when she spins it's hers. Who knows... If it was after then I couldn't agree more with everyone about the "harpies" that troll the casinos looking to spin buttons on a free roll from a high roller. I've never had this happen to me, but I would definitely never let someone else touch my button while playing. That would be a big mistake for them =).
If they both have money in the machine I would think that is a stronger case for at least a split.
Uh, ok, I won't go there.....Quote: Romesbut I would definitely never let someone else touch my button while playing.
Quote: onenickelmiracleLets say you have $200 in a machine, you ask a friend to hit the button, they after 200 $1 spins, bring the TITO up to $400, cash it out, and walk away. I have hard time believing a casino would be ok with it. Just doesn't seem like it really is an assumed the financier intends to just give the player the money. I the bureaucracy of casino regulations is wrong for their own comfort. If you ask someone to "play for me", that statement itself makes it clear you intend to keep the results as yours and in your control.
Too true
I know of casinos that will hold up a jackpot win if u hav someone else players card in the machine. Based on these person who spins wins rule what should that matter except they try every way to deny paying out
Quote: darkozToo true
I know of casinos that will hold up a jackpot win if u hav someone else players card in the machine. Based on these person who spins wins rule what should that matter except they try every way to deny paying out
That opens up a can of worms if someone sticks his money into a machine without looking at the player's card screen and it turns out that someone accidentally left his player's card in. The new player hits a $2,000 progressive and is beyond elated only to be told,"Sorry, we cannot pay you the jackpot win right now because Mr. John Doe left his player's card in the machine and technically the jackpot win is his. " The player would go ballistic and start cussing and demanding they pay him his jackpot win now or be faced with a lawsuit and bad publicity.
Quote: NathanThat opens up a can of worms if someone sticks his money into a machine without looking at the player's card screen and it turns out that someone accidentally left his player's card in. The new player hits a $2,000 progressive and is beyond elated only to be told,"Sorry, we cannot pay you the jackpot win right now because Mr. John Doe left his player's card in the machine and technically the jackpot win is his. " The player would go ballistic and start cussing and demanding they pay him his jackpot win now or be faced with a lawsuit and bad publicity.
I am aware of someone who hit a jackpot in the mid-30k and it took him over 4 hours of cussing and arguing before the casino agreed to pay him because there had been another persons players card in the machine
He did get paid tho
Quote: darkozI am aware of someone who hit a jackpot in the mid-30k and it took him over 4 hours of cussing and arguing before the casino agreed to pay him because there had been another persons players card in the machine
He did get paid tho
I don't blame him. Anyone in his position would have done the same thing.
And that's almost always going to be the case.Quote: darkoz
He did get paid tho
Quote: billryanI'm not a lawyer, nor do I stay at Holiday Inns, but it seems to me that just because a casino pays a person, the other person can still go to court and sue the person who received the money. You might have an uphill battle but in a civil case, the better lawyer usually wins. Faced with having to spend money to defend themselves, I'd think a settlement could be reached.
Good point, Bill Ryan. It did seem like he tried to sue the female "friend" for his jackpot money but no lawyer wanted to take that case.
Quote: NathanGood point, Bill Ryan. It did seem like he tried to sue the female "friend" for his jackpot money but no lawyer wanted to take that case.
Actually, he tried to get a lawyer to sue the casino, owned by the Seminoles.
His belief about the woman was that she was indigent and basically "you can't get blood out of a turnip."
Wayyyyy more to the story
He was basically paying her for companionship
She was always around the casinos
He knew what he was getting into
It's not his first go round
Quote: WizardI've seen the type lots of times.
Who was that girl a few years ago
that you gave money to and you
would split the profits and she
played it till it was gone and felt
she owed you nothing. She was
Asian, what was her name. Whatever
happened to her.
Quote: WizardofnothingThis took place an one of my home casinos
Wayyyyy more to the story
He was basically paying her for companionship
She was always around the casinos
He knew what he was getting into
It's not his first go round
So basically he was her Sugar Daddy then. Suddenly I don't feel so much sympathy for him anymore.
Quote: WizardofnothingCorrect
I assumed they were legitimate friends and she used their friendship to take off with what should have been his money. That would have been really nasty. Though she is still kind of nasty in what she did. I love how she says,"Still hate me?" Weeks later In a text and when he replies "How could you do that to me?" She replies,"I miss you!" Not, "I'm so sorry I ran off with the entire jackpot that should have been yours. "I'll give you $50,000 of the jackpot win." Her just callously saying "I miss you!" And not apologizing for stealing his entire jackpot and not offering the guy at least half of the jackpot money shows what a low down morally bankrupt cretin she really is.
I would suspect her text was just a way to find out what was going on, trying to find out if he was going to try to take any action. Perhaps trying to get him to have second thoughts if, in fact, he was planning on taking any action.Quote: NathanI assumed they were legitimate friends and she used their friendship to take off with what should have been his money. That would have been really nasty. Though she is still kind of nasty in what she did. I love how she says,"Still hate me?" Weeks later In a text and when he replies "How could you do that to me?" She replies,"I miss you!" Not, "I'm so sorry I ran off with the entire jackpot that should have been yours. "I'll give you $50,000 of the jackpot win." Her just callously saying "I miss you!" And not apologizing for stealing his entire jackpot and not offering the guy at least half of the jackpot money shows what a low down morally bankrupt cretin she really is.
Quote: AxelWolfI would suspect her text was just a way to find out what was going on, trying to find out if he was going to try to take any action. Perhaps trying to get him to have second thoughts if, in fact, he was planning on taking any action.
Good point Axel about her only texting him to see if he was going to sue her sorry ass for taking the whole jackpot that should have been his.
Two years ago, I saw a lady pull this scam on a guy for $2K-4K.Quote: IbeatyouracesThese incidents have happened before. Nothing new here.
Guy went ballistic, but the casino wouldn't do anything.
Cameras showed it "looked like they were playing together."
Many women trying to scam men with money, but worse is when friends cheat each other.
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$1.9 million (2010) argument between friends.
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2000/mar/24/houston-woman-sues-friend-over-lv-slot-jackpot/
2.2 million Euros (2009)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/6396823/Friends-in-court-over-casino-winnings.html
$1.1 million (1999) Carnival cruiseship
http://cjonline.com/stories/110599/new_slotpayout.shtml#.WOuvF1KZNE4
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Cooler story is:
"Man wins $7.2 million playing slots in friend’s memory after funeral": Lord of the Rings Progressive
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/man-wins-7-2-million-playing-slots-friends-memory-after-v17033121
Quote: mamatTwo years ago, I saw a lady pull this scam on a guy for $2K-4K.
Guy went ballistic, but the casino wouldn't do anything.
Cameras showed it "looked like they were playing together."
I had a (drunk I think) young man slam my button down as he was walking by. I just FU'd him. Decided the money in the machine might not be there if I left. Who knows, that could even be a scam. You go to confront someone and a accomplice takes your ticket and cashes it out. (although this was back in coin and token days where cashing out took the time for all the coins to empty into a bucket)
Always something going down.
Quote: billryanI said I was with someone and two buffets would do the trick as I usually got about $20-$30 in the bonus round. He agreed and the situation was resolved.
Good example of quick thinking. The more you can "sell" how upset you are, the more you're likely going to get.
Since this thread is about somebody hijacking a $100,000 jackpot, however, two free buffets would not have resolved the issue.
I'm surprised this story continues to have legs. It happened about two months ago. Today I was asked to do an interview on a SiriusXM station about it. My take was that "money goes to the button pusher" is not an absolute rule and for a sizeable amount like $100,000, the casino has the duty to get the dispute resolved before arbitrarily forking the money over to one person.
I also went over what the "victim" should have done --- i.e. get the surveillance tapes saved immediately. If there is going to be a he said/she said dispute, the surveillance tapes could be useful. The actual victim sat on his hands for three weeks and did nothing but bemoan his fate. That was not a smart move.
Sometimes tribes enters into a compact allowing some form of limited action outside of tribal court: this is true in the instant case.
The Seminole tribe did enter into a compact which would allow some (tort) claims to proceed in state court: see , provided the proper procedures are followed.
Secondly, the relationship between that chick and Vincent Neil does not make much sense to me , other than the fact that she is a gold diggin ho looking to take money form stupid high rollers that want to impress hot chicks by offering to gamble with them.
Lastly, who was sitting in the seat and who put the money in the machine? If she picked the machine and he agreed to put money in for her, then I think she should have it. If it was his machine that he picked and was sitting in, and he put the money in, but she just happened to push the button on a spin.... then no flippin way should they give it to her. I understand the rules, but common sense and circumstantial evidence should prevail.
Did she have a Miami hobo bag by any chance? lol
Quote: DRichWhat do you think would happen if a random stranger walked by your machine and pushed the button and won? Would they be charged with theft of the bet amount? Would the casino keep the jackpot or give it to the stranger that pushed the button?
I'm not at attorney but I would view it as theft of a jackpot. I think the casino would ultimately give the person making the bet the money, much as if someone were robbed in a casino, and the thief caught on property, the casino would aid in returning the money to the rightful owner.
Quote: onenickelmiracleLets say you have $200 in a machine, you ask a friend to hit the button, they after 200 $1 spins, bring the TITO up to $400, cash it out, and walk away. I have hard time believing a casino would be ok with it. Just doesn't seem like it really is an assumed the financier intends to just give the player the money. I the bureaucracy of casino regulations is wrong for their own comfort. If you ask someone to "play for me", that statement itself makes it clear you intend to keep the results as yours and in your control.
I've told this story before but once I was playing video poker with a friend at the Four Queens. He asked me to watch his machine while he hit the can. While he was gone somebody played one hand on his machine, hit cash out, and attempted to walk out with his money. However this was a long time ago, before TITO, and when dollar tokens started to hit the hopper I woke up out of my trance and confronted the guy. To make a long story short, my friend hot his money and the bum who tried to steal it was 86'd.
Quote: WizardI'm not at attorney but I would view it as theft of a jackpot. I think the casino would ultimately give the person making the bet the money, much as if someone were robbed in a casino, and the thief caught on property, the casino would aid in returning the money to the rightful owner.
I would view it as theft of the bet amount because the argument could be made that because of timing the patron would most likely not have had the same result. I'm sure the casino would report it to Nevada Gaming but I have now idea how they would resolved it,
If Bob Dancer is reading this it would be a fascinating question for Bob Nersesian.
Quote: DRichI would view it as theft of the bet amount because the argument could be made that because of timing the patron would most likely not have had the same result. I'm sure the casino would report it to Nevada Gaming but I have now idea how they would resolved it,
If Bob Dancer is reading this it would be a fascinating question for Bob Nersesian.
Im certain as soon as the casino tried that argument the two people involved would suddenly be wiling to split the jackpot. Then what will the casino say they dont want to honor it. Its an argument i dont think the casino will win
Quote: WatchMeWinFirstly, now that chick is hot and I'd much rather hear that she was in the Uber car giving head to the driver.
Secondly, the relationship between that chick and Vincent Neil does not make much sense to me , other than the fact that she is a gold diggin ho looking to take money form stupid high rollers that want to impress hot chicks by offering to gamble with them.
Lastly, who was sitting in the seat and who put the money in the machine? If she picked the machine and he agreed to put money in for her, then I think she should have it. If it was his machine that he picked and was sitting in, and he put the money in, but she just happened to push the button on a spin.... then no flippin way should they give it to her. I understand the rules, but common sense and circumstantial evidence should prevail.
Did she have a Miami hobo bag by any chance? lol
I just read the Miami hobo bag a few moments ago. It was not me, I promise ;)
