Bad casino giveaways?
Quote: SanchoPanzaWhich town or casino are you going to?
I'm just kidding, but Nathan has said he's in Florida.
Quote: CrystalMathI'm just kidding, but Nathan has said he's in Florida.
Interesting since wasn't Kentry from Southern Florida? Maybe Nathan has met Kentry before without realizing it?!? 😂
Unless you can do this multiple times or daily I can't imagine anyone is worried about letting this one out. Anytime there has been any lip-service regarding AP information, it has been on promos worth many thousands, not some gift card giveaway BS. If you can do this all day, or everyday, I too would advise you to just keep it to yourself.Quote: NathanI got advice from someone in a PM strongly implying that I shouldn't give out the name of the casino to avoid trouble.
I'm not sure if im buying it.
Anyways, after its over feel free to let us know where it was at.
If you can do it daily or multiple times you should be all over this. I think that someone here would buy the gift cards from you at a discount.
If you play this promo right and sell the cards it would be fairy hard to lose any money on this. It shouldn't take much money to play this. If you sell them as you earn them, you can probably get away playing this with $300 or even less and never look back.
My guess is that he's got the information wrong how you earn the gift cards(500 points). If someone did PM and ask that he not say anything, then what I think is happening is that there is actuality something much better going on there that Nathan doesn't realize. The AP who's playing at that casino doesn't want people looking into the gift-card giveaway in fear that other AP's or darksiders who nark on plays will find out whats really going on.Quote: PokerGrinderInteresting since wasn't Kentry from Southern Florida? Maybe Nathan has met Kentry before without realizing it?!? 😂
And yes there were teams that day making points doey dont at e-craps (u earned points on taking odds as well) so with 2 cards people were getting $80 in gas cards for mayb 3 bucks. People were selling them left n right that day. But it was only offerred that good twice n never again
Quote: NathanQuote: Mission146Are you suggesting that $500 coin-in got you into a drawing for a Macy's Gift Card or that $500 coin-in absolutely would get you the Macy's Gift Card? If you are suggesting the latter of those two things, I find it hard to believe that the casino would offer a promotion that GOOD. Even if you had to buck a House Edge of 15% (which would be really high even on penny slots) you'd still have an expected loss of just $75 in exchange for a $100 Gift Card.
I'd consider that break even, only because I don't normally shop at Macy's and, therefore, attribute the value to the gift card that I could easily sell it for. If you could do the $500 coin-in on VP, even terrible VP, I'd suggest the player has the best of that by a long shot. I don't shop at Macy's, but if I can trade a 5% expected loss on $500 coin in ($25) for a $100 gift card, sign me up!
If, instead, you're referring to a drawing for a $100 Macy's Gift Card, then I'd have to try to figure out how many gift cards there were in the drawing and roughly how many people would qualify for the drawing. The gift card, of course, would still have value but not $75 (the maximum value I would ascribe to it) in value...unless there were more cards than players. At a guess, the Video Poker would have to be pretty darn good for the value that I would assign to the gift card multiplied by the probability of my winning it (expressed as a decimal) to be more than the expected loss.
And, of course, if the gift card were for a place I would normally shop, then it would, in fact, have $100 in value to me as a straight giveaway.
Okay, okay, it was $500 coin in for a guaranteed $100 Macy's gift card. But still, having to spend $500 for a $100 gift card is really steep IMHO.
Yes, buying a $100 gift card for $500 is extremely steep, even by current LV standards.
Quote: standbymymanQuote: NathanQuote: Mission146Are you suggesting that $500 coin-in got you into a drawing for a Macy's Gift Card or that $500 coin-in absolutely would get you the Macy's Gift Card? If you are suggesting the latter of those two things, I find it hard to believe that the casino would offer a promotion that GOOD. Even if you had to buck a House Edge of 15% (which would be really high even on penny slots) you'd still have an expected loss of just $75 in exchange for a $100 Gift Card.
I'd consider that break even, only because I don't normally shop at Macy's and, therefore, attribute the value to the gift card that I could easily sell it for. If you could do the $500 coin-in on VP, even terrible VP, I'd suggest the player has the best of that by a long shot. I don't shop at Macy's, but if I can trade a 5% expected loss on $500 coin in ($25) for a $100 gift card, sign me up!
If, instead, you're referring to a drawing for a $100 Macy's Gift Card, then I'd have to try to figure out how many gift cards there were in the drawing and roughly how many people would qualify for the drawing. The gift card, of course, would still have value but not $75 (the maximum value I would ascribe to it) in value...unless there were more cards than players. At a guess, the Video Poker would have to be pretty darn good for the value that I would assign to the gift card multiplied by the probability of my winning it (expressed as a decimal) to be more than the expected loss.
And, of course, if the gift card were for a place I would normally shop, then it would, in fact, have $100 in value to me as a straight giveaway.
Okay, okay, it was $500 coin in for a guaranteed $100 Macy's gift card. But still, having to spend $500 for a $100 gift card is really steep IMHO.
Yes, buying a $100 gift card for $500 is extremely steep, even by current LV standards.
Yes, thank you for seeing my point. :)
Quote: Nathan
Yes, thank you for seeing my point. :)
What IS your point? I think you are confusing losing $500 with gambling $500.
I read this thread expecting to find examples of free t-shirts for the first 5000 points, or a leftover sushi buffet free to new members after earning 100 points.
I am in south Florida right now
Today and yesterday I have been to Hialeah
Miami jai alai
Magic city
Micasoukee
Dania
And hard rock
And will be at Marci gras gulfstream and pompano
This is not a promotion at ANY OF THE CASINOS IN SOUTH FLORIDA
Even better since you are full of it - prove me wrong I'm offering 500 cash to you
AND 2k freeroll for the football contest next season
Crazy ? Or crazy like a fox ! Obviously Nathan was always one step ahead of WoN, and now has got him right where he wants him, ready to collect and laugh all the way to the bank with a fistful of twenty-five $ 20 bills (and/or gift cards). Well played, sir, well played. The student has become the master !Quote: Wizardofnothing
Even better since you are full of it - prove me wrong I'm offering 500 cash to you
AND 2k freeroll for the football contest next season
Why don't you guys lead by example and post your plays or good opportunities?
And yes, sometimes casinos do f*** stuff up and don't even realize it. The marketing department and slot department aren't always on the same page....and frequently enough, they make some sort of an error.
A few moons ago, there was a casino that was giving out something like 1% back in gift cards for VP play and like 5% for slot play (or something around that). Gift card was to be redeemed same day of play. Not giving out all the details, but essentially they made an error and they didn't look at the "same day" part and they somehow thought I played slots and not VP. So for $10k coin in, I got $500 in GC's. Came back the next day, did another $10k coin in, and got $1,000 in GC's, because they were somehow counting the play from the previous day as well. Tried it a third day, but by then they had fixed their problem, unfortunately, and got my $100 gift card.
Quote: RSDamn, why the hell does everyone care so much about this? "Name the casino or you're full of BS" is about the stupidest thing I've heard lately. If you want to attack Nathan for not being legitimate or for being Kentry or whatever else.....fine. But having him name the casino is absolutely ludicrous. I'm not the biggest fan of Nathan, but some of you guys are saying some pretty stupid sh**.
Why don't you guys lead by example and post your plays or good opportunities?That was a rhetorical question, don't post your plays.
And yes, sometimes casinos do f*** stuff up and don't even realize it. The marketing department and slot department aren't always on the same page....and frequently enough, they make some sort of an error.
A few moons ago, there was a casino that was giving out something like 1% back in gift cards for VP play and like 5% for slot play (or something around that). Gift card was to be redeemed same day of play. Not giving out all the details, but essentially they made an error and they didn't look at the "same day" part and they somehow thought I played slots and not VP. So for $10k coin in, I got $500 in GC's. Came back the next day, did another $10k coin in, and got $1,000 in GC's, because they were somehow counting the play from the previous day as well. Tried it a third day, but by then they had fixed their problem, unfortunately, and got my $100 gift card.
Thanks RS for having my back. :) I'm not so keen on giving out the name of the casino that did the promotion as I once saw some kind of advantage in a certain gambling game, blabbed about it on a non gambling website and that advantage was gone for the most part eerily suspiciously soon after I blabbed about the advantage.
OK, let's find a compromise. Send the name of the casino to WizardofNothing via a PRIVATE MESSAGE, provided that he agrees to still pay you the finder's fee AND publicly apologize to you on this forum if you are right and he is wrong.Quote: NathanI'm not so keen on giving out the name of the casino that did the promotion as I once saw some kind of advantage in a certain gambling game, blabbed about it on a non gambling website and that advantage was gone for the most part eerily suspiciously soon after I blabbed about the advantage.
There, problem solved. I really ought to be working at the United Nations, or at least paid handsomely to check all Whitehouse comuninicatons for spelling errors.
ps:
Your message said "did the promotion" and not "is doing the promotion". So does that mean the casino is no longer doing it ? X-file closed ?
Quote: Nathan
Thanks RS for having my back. :) I'm not so keen on giving out the name of the casino that did the promotion as I once saw some kind of advantage in a certain gambling game, blabbed about it on a non gambling website and that advantage was gone for the most part eerily suspiciously soon after I blabbed about the advantage.
I don't believe a word you say. This thread makes it sound like you wouldn't know an advantage if it hit you in the face. Maybe you can give details about the old promotion since you already got it nuked. It seems that all of your anecdotes aren't even real.
Quote: CrystalMathI don't believe a word you say. This thread makes it sound like you wouldn't know an advantage if it hit you in the face. Maybe you can give details about the old promotion since you already got it nuked. It seems that all of your anecdotes aren't even real.
Nathan. I wouldnt trust a guy who is on crystalmath
(Sorry couldn't resist that one either)
Won't disclose info however his Pms are turned off and I cannot write back to clarify the info
Based on what he said I would be happy to meet him there and pay the 500 in person once anyone in property confirms
A search of the calendars I had from them do not confirm what was said
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In 2015, I played a $50 must-hit at an Indian Casino, and made $9.
Surprise next month. Casino sent me $40 FP 2/week (10 visits) = $400 FP.
I don't think I played $400 coin-in. :-)
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Another time I played a penny machine at 40c/spin for a 4-6 hours in Tahoe before/after a bad power outage (machines non-functional for 4-5 hrs).
The casino offered $2,000 FP two months later (for probably 2,000-4,000 coin-in).
In this case, probably good customer relations.
Quote: CrystalMathI don't believe a word you say. This thread makes it sound like you wouldn't know an advantage if it hit you in the face. Maybe you can give details about the old promotion since you already got it nuked. It seems that all of your anecdotes aren't even real.
Well, it was a Play 4 Lotto game. I noticed that MOST of the time, 40's and 80's as front pair came up just 40 numbers apart. :) For example, if. 4605 came up, 86×× would come up within the next couple of drawings. 8600 for example meant that it was time to play 46 front pair. And 46 would come up in the next couple of drawings. it WORKED most of the time. I am STILL kicking myself for what happened one day.I saw a drawing for 49×× for evening. The next day, I filled out 89 front pair for both midday and evening drawings, but realized I would be late for work if I played them. I threw the slip down and went to work. That night, 89 front pair showed up. Drats! I would have won if I had played the slip! Anyways, I told about the 40's/80s thing as winners on a non gambling website and eerily suspiciously soon, 40's/80's thing stopped winning so much.
Quote: NathanWell, it was a Play 4 Lotto game. I noticed that MOST of the time, 40's and 80's as front pair came up just 40 numbers apart. :) For example, if. 4605 came up, 86×× would come up within the next couple of drawings. 8600 for example meant that it was time to play 46 front pair. And 46 would come up in the next couple of drawings. it WORKED most of the time. I am STILL kicking myself for what happened one day.I saw a drawing for 49×× for evening. The next day, I filled out 89 front pair for both midday and evening drawings, but realized I would be late for work if I played them. I threw the slip down and went to work. That night, 89 front pair showed up. Drats! I would have won if I had played the slip! Anyways, I told about the 40's/80s thing as winners on a non gambling website and eerily suspiciously soon, 40's/80's thing stopped winning so much.
Oddly, now I believe you.
Quote: CrystalMathOddly, now I believe you.
Crystal Math, here are some interesting winning numbers from the Florida play 4 website. :)
3/29/2015 Evening winning numbers. 8317
3/30/2015 Evening winning numbers. 4318.
Also, what's also interesting about these particular numbers is that just going one number up would have been a $100 winner! On top of the $25 for the front pair. :)
If its still going, perhaps Nathan can do a non disclosure agreement with The Wizard or a Mod who can verify that Nathan is spot on.
I was just wonder if the "AP" that said you shouldn't disclose this gave that advice on the basis that he didn't want it to end, or he was advising you not to disclose it because the potential heat you might get from the other forum members?
Quote: MrVI'm not certain that admin can do much about it, at least the way I look at the rules.
Bullying and threatening are not allowed, but by implication that would apply only to posts, not to PMs.
Can admin punish for comments made from one member to another by PM only?
Plus, there is that rule about keeping the content of PMs private, absent consent of both parties to discuss the contents.
What say the mods?
Absolutely YES.
PM's are supposed to be private, but said privacy is not a tool to be used for abuse. Any PM that contains a violation may absolutely be forwarded or otherwise communicated to another mod, and said violation will be handled no different from one made in public. We have had folks banned for PM garbage before, and that avenue is still open.
What nonsense
No one there knows about it
One candle had a Macy gift card in the box
This kid is a total story !!!!!
Call players club yourself and ask about the xoxo promotion 954-457-6550
Quote: WizardofnothingJust as I thought. Utter bull crthat promotion was earn 100 points and get a CANDLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One candle had a Macy gift card in the box
This kid is a total story !!!!!
Call players club yourself and ask about the xoxo promotion 954-457-6550
So he didn't even get the point requirement right
So no $ 500 for Nate ?Quote: WizardofnothingJust as I thought. Utter bull that promotion was earn 100 points and get a CANDLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One candle had a Macy gift card in the box
Quote: GWAESo he didn't even get the point requirement right
I got the point requirement right. I have said multiple times that the point requirement was 100 points for the XOXO gift giveaway promotion. 1 point is $5, so 100 points is $500 coin in.
Quote: Nathan...a $100 Macy's gift card...
I think playing through $500 for a candle is a bad casino giveaway if only one of all those candles had a $100 Macy's gift card.
One ring was a $5000 diamond ring all the rest were cheap glass
The boxes handed out were first come from a stack so who knows if anyone ever got the ring or if it even existed. And who was gonna go get a possible piece of glass appraised to check lol
Nathan titled this thread asking if this was a bad casino giveaway
He then left out the primary detail that what made it bad was its being limited to one person getting lucky while listing all the things that seemed to make it a great promotion
He then dragged out disclosing this bad giveaway (recognized by him as being lousy hence the title thread) while trying to get everyone to believe it might be too good to be true apparently knowing it was not
Technically his thread was on the money but with lots of misdirection
Well thats what we have so far. Anyone want to add to that?
These are not difficult facts to check, so the ultimate result of this thread is ten pages of a total waste of time.
I am obviously not going to Nuke Nathan for first offense Trolling, and benefit of the doubt would lead me not to do anything based on this thread alone, but in combination with some of his other threads/posts, I am issuing a one week ban for Trolling.
Quote: Mission146I'm going to suggest that in light of Nathan's other posts, threads created and tendency to repeat himself going on and on and on about being fooled by a new member (or whatever) that it is very difficult to conclude that this thread is not trolling.
These are not difficult facts to check, so the ultimate result of this thread is ten pages of a total waste of time.
I am obviously not going to Nuke Nathan for first offense Trolling, and benefit of the doubt would lead me not to do anything based on this thread alone, but in combination with some of his other threads/posts, I am issuing a one week ban for Trolling.
I am sorry. I didn't actually know that the promotion was for candles and just one candle had the $100 Macy's gift card. I honestly thought everyone who earned 100 points got a $100 Macy's gift card. I found out from the responses after I said the name of the promotion and the name of the casino that not everyone got a $100 Macy's gift card. In fact, I was planning to say something like,"Holy crap! I thought the Macy's gift card was guaranteed to everyone who made 100 points($500 coin in), and didn't know that most people got a candle and only one person got the gift card," but I fell asleep before I could post my explanation. When I woke up, I was thinking, "Better write my explanation before I look really bad," and I saw that it was too late as I had been temporarily banned. I definitely should have researched the promotion thoroughly before starting this thread. I am glad to be back and as a certain Admin said,"One week banwfor a 10 page schtick was extremely lenient," and I am certainly grateful and thankful that it was just a week ban. I seriously was not trying to troll I just did not do my homework before starting this thread.
Quote: Mission146Your apology, which was not required, is both accepted and appreciated.
Thank you. :)
Quote: BTLWISo you didn't even bother to do the promotion yourself to know that it was a candle?
I knew it was a candle but the candle came in a box. I honestly assumed every box had a candle and tbe $100 Macy's gift card.
Just say when - I'll even go buy them now and post
Quote: WizardofnothingOk redeem yourself- I'll meet you st Gulf Stream and give up a 100 Macy card
Just say when - I'll even go buy them now and post
Okay, Monday the 13th at around. 1 PM on the second floor casino. I will be wearing all black. :)
