WoVCon: Spring, 2017

Quote: PokerGrinder

Go all in with AA! Fold 27, lesson over. Romes anything you want to add?

I lost AA vs 27os this week on an all in. Granted he was short stacked so he shoved 40 preflop blind. Cards ran out 222 73. Fml

7,2 offsuit is just like A,K. Win big when you hit. Lose small when you don't. Best of all, your opponent won't put you on a hand like 7,2.

Quote: PokerGrinder

Go all in with AA! Fold 27, lesson over. Romes anything you want to add?

I remember one hand...I am sure I will get the facts wrong, but Romes folded Nut or King high flush to MaxPen's 1/3 pot bet and said something like I know you have the boat...I distinctly remember that as the time I said to myself "Holy $h!t...time for me to get lucky in a pot, get even and get the hell out of there"...you guys were playing a very different game than what I was used to...I am sure I could have learned a lot if I had stayed longer, for a price ;-)!

Please add me to the dinner and pretty much all activities that weekend.

Quote: GWAE

I lost AA vs 27os this week on an all in. Granted he was short stacked so he shoved 40 preflop blind. Cards ran out 222 73. Fml

Wow. Not two pair or trips.
But beat by quads full!

Friday night dinner is up to 8 now:
PG
RDW
Doc+1
Romes
Bruce
Billryan
Plus mystery guest who PM'ed me

really?

Quote: PokerGrinder

...Plus mystery guest who PM'ed me

Quote: stevenwillams

really?

Yes, I take it that juiciejenny is going to show up as surprise entertainment.

;-)

Quote: PokerGrinder

Go all in with AA! Fold 27, lesson over. Romes anything you want to add?

That's the basics. Past that if Axel is in the pot there's good odds he's trying to give money away. That about wraps it up for me!

Quote: Paradigm

I remember one hand...I am sure I will get the facts wrong, but Romes folded Nut or King high flush to MaxPen's 1/3 pot bet and said something like I know you have the boat...I distinctly remember that as the time I said to myself "Holy $h!t...time for me to get lucky in a pot, get even and get the hell out of there"...you guys were playing a very different game than what I was used to...I am sure I could have learned a lot if I had stayed longer, for a price ;-)!

Ha, while it looked super cool the way he played the hand made it pretty obvious that's what he had. Well, to regular poker players anyways =P. I'm sure PG wasn't too impressed =D. Hey, I think Axel and I gave the table pretty good action though! I'm game for some more poker fun this time around if anyone else is.

Axel likes to give away money at the poker table lol.

I remember the hand and being impressed that you knew to fold. Not impressed with the actual fold if that makes sense. I don't think I knew much about your poker background at that point in time. He did play the hand in a way that gave away too much IMO. I would be down for a poker game again.

Shoot, now I'll have to decide if I am up for giving away some money at the poker table in exchange for sitting next to PG or Romes and getting post hand analysis of what I "should have done in that hand". I am a maybe at this point for the evening festivities that would include the poker game...depends how the rest of tax season goes for me ;-/.

Quote: Paradigm

Shoot, now I'll have to decide if I am up for giving away some money at the poker table in exchange for sitting next to PG or Romes and getting post hand analysis of what I "should have done in that hand". I am a maybe at this point for the evening festivities that would include the poker game...depends how the rest of tax season goes for me ;-/.

If it makes a difference to you, it's a fair bet that some of us will "try really hard to find the poker room" and "accidentally get stuck at the craps table" anyway.

Quote: Paradigm

Shoot, now I'll have to decide if I am up for giving away some money at the poker table in exchange for sitting next to PG or Romes and getting post hand analysis of what I "should have done in that hand". I am a maybe at this point for the evening festivities that would include the poker game...depends how the rest of tax season goes for me ;-/.

Come sit to my left; best spot in the house. Post hand analysis free of charge =D.

edit: actually to the immediate left of axel is the best spot lol.

Quote: rdw4potus

... some of us will "try really hard to find the poker room" and "accidentally get stuck at th..."

Or not even pretend to be trying very hard.

Quote: Romes

Come sit to my left; best spot in the house. Post hand analysis free of charge =D.

edit: actually to the immediate left of axel is the best spot lol.

Only if PG is to my left....perfect sandwiched between guys that are going to put all kinds of pressure on me before and after I decide to do my best impression of a "calling station" =D

I should be able to come, I don't plan on playing any poker but will come by and say hello to everyone.

Friday and Saturday or just Saturday?

I made a reservation for 7:30 April 21 at Nora's for 8 people. 7:00 wasn't available so I went with 7:30. Nickgamingstuff you never got back to me about Friday so as of right now I don't have you included in the reservation.

Quote: PokerGrinder

I made a reservation for 7:30 April 21 at Nora's for 8 people. 7:00 wasn't available so I went with 7:30. Nickgamingstuff you never got back to me about Friday so as of right now I don't have you included in the reservation.

UPDATE: We ("bruce" and I) are still coming in Friday, but we won't be getting in until after the reservation time, so we will not be able to make dinner =(.

Hi, I think Saturday will be the only event I will come to. Can we confirm what time the Saturday dinner is at the MSS?

I really, really do wish we could get this set definitely. Back on page 7, I noted that in 2015 we started at 6pm and in 2016 at 5pm, both also at MSS. Thus far for 2017, we have only stated "early evening".

On page 10, I stated that last year, even though I was staying at MSS, I had difficulty getting a group reservation on Saturday evening and asked that someone with more influence than me make the reservation, particularly since I will not be staying there and will probably not have played there yet since last year.

I'll send a PM or two and see whether I can convince someone to take on this responsibility.

I would suggest 6:00PM.

I really dislike having to make this post. More than that, I am not at all sure that I will be able to express myself properly, but here goes as a wall of text.


I will not be attending the WoV Spring Fling 2017. I had all of our reservations set for eight nights in Nevada, and my wife and I were scheduled to board our flights to Las Vegas tomorrow afternoon. This afternoon, we learned that our son was found deceased in his apartment in Jersey City, and we will be heading to New Jersey tomorrow to begin trying to deal with this and to handle whatever matters we can. I doubt that I will be present on the forum very much over the next week.

Here is some of the background. The last communication we had with him was on 4/5, when my wife had a long phone conversation with him. He was not feeling well and had a persistent cough during the call. Since then, she had been considering calling to check whether he had been to a physician, but she did not want to be a mother hen to the point of annoying him.

Yesterday was his 44th birthday, so she called both to check on his health and to wish a happy birthday. She called three times, only to have each call eventually roll to his voicemail where she left messages but did not get a call back. Just on the chance that his phone was lost/damaged/dead, I sent him an email message, figuring that he could read it on his computer, to say that his mother was getting concerned. I never got a reply.

This morning I began checking further. His phone is on my account, so I was able to check his usage. He has not had a connected phone call, either incoming or outgoing since 4/8. Since then, there have been no outgoing text messages but two incoming messages that I cannot determine whether were ever read. I could not dig out any further info, but these were quite disturbing considering that he has been a heavy user of his iPhone for years.

I decided to call the local police in Jersey City, explain that we had been unable to reach him, and ask that they send someone by to check on him. I gave his name and address and his roommate's name, plus my name, phone number, and address. I have never met the roommate and do not have a phone number for him. The police told me that I could call back in an hour and they would let me know what they had found. I waited an hour and a half before I called, and I was told that they had not yet been able to send a car, but they would and I should call back in another hour. I now believe that was a deliberate lie.

Shortly after that call, a police officer arrived at our door in North Carolina, asked to come in to speak with us, and told us that the Jersey City police had found him dead in his apartment. He gave us the name and number of a Jersey City police sergeant to call for further info. From this, I believe that the info I was given on the second call to the Jersey City police was a stall so that they could have the information about his death delivered in person by an officer rather than over the phone.

I have since had phone calls with that police sergeant, with the officer first on the scene, and an investigator from the Medical Examiner's Office. The sergeant told me that the officer on the scene had gone to the door, was admitted by the roommate, and they then found my son dead in his bed. When I later talked to the officer, I said that the situation seemed strange to me -- that my son could have been dead in the apartment for some time but the roommate had not reported it or perhaps had not noticed.

That officer said that it seemed strange to her also, and she provided additional details. She said their bedrooms were at opposite ends of the apartment with shared living room, kitchen, and bath (I think). She had tried knocking on the front door and then the back door without getting any response and eventually spoke with a neighbor who confirmed that two young men lived there, but he had not seen them. About that time, the roommate came to the door, and the officer said she was there to perform a welfare check and needed to verify that my son was there and was OK. The roommate left the door open and walked back to my son's door, knocked, and opened it. He said, "He doesn't look well." The officer called in a report that he was in a "lifeless condition", and an ambulance arrived in 2-3 minutes. He was then pronounced dead, and the Medical Examiner's Office was called in.

The officer also said that even when she was outside of the apartment, with the door and windows closed, she could smell the death. She said that inside the apartment, the odor was extremely strong and that it is a smell that sticks in your nostrils for quite some time. She did not understand how the roommate could have not noticed it. The investigator from the Medical Examiner's Office later told me that the preliminary estimate is that he died either yesterday or the day before. My non-medical information suggests that it could have been earlier. The officer told me that birthday cards (at least one of which should have arrived Tuesday or Wednesday) had never been opened. And the roommate never noticed the odor of a dead body in the apartment where he lived.

It's going to take a while for me to deal with this. I won't be at the Spring Fling, and I may not be in touch very often for a while.

Wow, sorry for your loss Doc.

Wow. My sincere condolences. Not sure what else to say. Be strong, your family will need you.

Wow doc, so sorry.

Though I attended the Spring Fling last year, I have no intention of going this year. So I really don't know why I've been monitoring this thread.

But holy crap I'm glad I am.

My sincere condolences Doc, and best wishes to you and your family.

And do keep on top of it regarding the roommate. That really doesn't sound right.

I am so sorry for your loss Doc. My condolences to you and your family.

Oh, Doc and Mrs. Doc.

I am weeping for you both, so very sorry.

You have my number. Please advise if there's even the smallest thing I can do.

So, so sorry to hear this, Doc.

I'm sorry, Doc. I will be keeping you & your family in my thoughts.

I am very very sorry for your loss. Best wishes to your entire family.

I am in shock having just checked back in to the Forum with the tax deadline almost in the rear view mirror.

Doc, my deepest condolences to you and Ms. Doc...very tough to fathom the totality of the loss as a parent...the loss of a child just isn't something a person should have to endure.

What tragic news. I'm so sorry to hear this, Doc. You and your family are in my prayers.

I am sorry to hear of your tragic loss and pray for you and your family.

There is nothing to be said that will console your pain.

Do not think me weak when I break down and cry,
for it is the love I have felt that gives me strength
and the memory of it's loss that will focus my resolve.

So sorry to hear about your loss. You'll be in our thoughts and prayers.

Death leaves a heartache no one can heal, love leaves a memory no one can steal. Extending deepest sympathy, for you and your wife in your loss. And hoping, too, that comfort and peace may come to you.

I'm so sorry for your loss Doc and Mrs. Doc. It is very sad when sometime goes in the prime of his life. I'm sure especially for the living parents.

Very bizarre about the roommate. I would be interested to hear an update down the road but understand that you probably won't post for a while. Will miss you this Saturday.

On a much less important note, I think I'm going to make an executive decision here and say that 5:00 will be the official meeting time at the Main Street Station. As usual, we'll have drinks and appetizers for an hour as people trickle in and plan to order main courses around 6:00. Why so early? As far as I know, nobody planning to go is staying at the MSS, which would have helped reserving a table, so as an unannounced group our odds will be better getting a big table at 5:00 than 6:00. I'll try to get there even earlier to reserve a large table but am doing an organized 80-mile bike ride that day so can't make any promises.

Again, my sympathies Doc. I know I missed the same meetup in 2014 because of my father dying the day before but losing a son is much worse. I don't know what to say but my thoughts are with you.

The roommate sounds a little on the spooky
side. He doesn't see your son for days, the
apartment stinks, and he suspects nothing?
They better be looking hard and long at the
guy, somethings not right.

Other than my grandparents when I was a teenager I haven't experienced a death of a close friend or family member, so I can't say I know what you are going though. I can only imagine it's undeniably one of the absolute worst things people experience in life.

I hope you quickly find all the answers as to what happened so you can find closure and start the healing process.

Quote: EvenBob

The roommate sounds a little on the spooky
side. He doesn't see your son for days, the
apartment stinks, and he suspects nothing?
They better be looking hard and long at the
guy, somethings not right.

Could you maybe offer your sympathies first? sheesh

Doc,
I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to post your difficult experience here on WOV. One minute you are planning a trip/vacation to Las Vegas, and the next you are dealing with a child's death. Life can be very tough at times. You and yours have my sympathies.

Quote: rsactuary

Could you maybe offer your sympathies first? sheesh

I've usually done things my own way, not your way,
up till now in my life. If you don't mind, I'll continue
with that.

Quote: AxelWolf

I can only imagine it's undeniably one of the absolute worst things people experience in life.

The absolute worst thing in life is not to have so loved and been so loved in return. It's fully half of life.

Quote: AxelWolf

I hope you quickly find all the answers as to what happened so you can find closure and start the healing process.

Feelings of help/hopelessness, blame, grief, and most of all, loneliness later on. It's the other half of life which brings us through it well, but over the years, though acknowledgement is a start. The drive to solve something, and move forward. Love is an energy in a sense. Energy transcends even itself (from form to form). We best go back by best moving forward to affirm what we had.

Quote: EvenBob

I've usually done things my own way, not your way,
up till now in my life. If you don't mind, I'll continue
with that.

Just shows the kind of person you are.

Doc, I'm so sorry for your loss. I can't begin to fathom the thoughts and feelings you must be feeling. I'm sure you have family and friends but sometimes I find I enjoy talking to a complete stranger about things just to get a completely fresh perspective, or at least someone who's willing to listen instead of offering advice (since they don't fully understand the situation perhaps). If you ever need that outlet I'd be more than happy to listen just PM me or email me at blackjackromes@gmail.com. I hope you find all of the answers/closure you need to help your healing process. Your presence will be understandably missed at the Spring Fling. I wish you the best in the tough days to come.

Quote: rsactuary

Just shows the kind of person you are.

What other person would it show if I'm
the one posting. You want the world to
do everything your way or their incorrect,
and you attempt to set them straight.
What a job you have ahead of you.

Doc:

While death befalls us all, untimely death is tragic.

My condolences for the loss of your son.

I will miss Doc this year, but do we have an idea of who is coming? I will show up around 6