Trump's First 100 Days
Quote: EvenBobSpeaking of that, when is the proof of the
Russia connection coming out, people are
getting bored. It's almost like there is no
connection except in the medias fantasies
In your dreams, Bob.
Quote: ams288I like how you can't even say "the majority of Americans" because Donald lost the popular vote bigly.
May be correct but we never know in any Presidential election how many Republicans (Assuming there are any) stay home in NY & CA and how many liberals don't bother in the South. Probably not enough to change the overall popular vote but since the popular vote doesn't count and a majority of Americans can't even bother to vote, we only have the current system.
Spoiler..... Trump won the only thing that matters.
And odds are your life hasn't been affected in any way by the outcome.
As soon as Adam Schiff can understand his aides' explanations of the documents he was supposed to read at the Executive Office Building.Quote: EvenBobWhen is the proof of the Russia connection coming out, people are getting bored. It's almost like there is no connection except in the medias fantasies.
Quote: EvenBobI love that Trump has his daughter in the West
Wing as an unpaid advisor. I love even more
that the press is having a cow over it. She's
unpaid, she has no power to do anything,
yet you'd think he hired a KGB agent.
Speaking of that, when is the proof of the
Russia connection coming out, people are
getting bored. It's almost like there is no
connection except in the medias fantasies.
A business leader who's name escapes me
once said, if you want to run a successful
empire, have lots of children. They will be
they only people you can trust later on.
I'm sure Trump has found that to be more
than true.
Yea kind of like we all got bored with hillarys emails. Boy repubs couldnt shut up about that for 2 years. And where was that proof.
Something tells me comey is not gonna make an announcement that trump is innocent of wrongdoing like he did with Hillary
"Lock him up lock him up lock him up": the dnc chant to come about trump flynn pence kushner tillerson ross nunes and just about everyone trump used in his russian conspiracy
Quote: ams288I like how you can't even say "the majority of Americans" because Donald lost the popular vote bigly.
Correct. I couldn't. I play basketball. I am an excellent 3 point shooter. In our pick up games we play a long distance shot counts as two, a regular shot as one. I have been on the winning team when I've hit 4 two point shots, with a single other shot by a teammate. (We play 9 wins). The other team may have hit 6 one point shots. Never once has anyone been stupid enough to say "but we scored more baskets than you". The rules of the game (election) are established in advance, and the players(candidates) devise a strategy to win (not sure if HRC actually did that). DJT and his team had a strategy to win the election. They allocated their resources to win the election. And they won the election. Should he have diverted resources to NY and Cali to increase his popular vote totals? Some may be stupid enough to think it matters, but he wasn't.
Quote: BozAnd odds are your life hasn't been affected in any way by the outcome.
This is absolutely true.
Nothing Donald has done yet has changed my life one bit.
But I sure am having a hell of a time making fun of his ineptitude. It's very fun being on offense against somebody as dumb and corrupt as Donald.
Quote: SOOPOOShould he have diverted resources to NY and Cali to increase his popular vote totals? Some may be stupid enough to think it matters, but he wasn't.
Nope. He also shouldn't claim that he would have won the popular vote, without proof.
Apparently Trump's popular vote total matters, to Trump.
Quote: ams288This is absolutely true.
Nothing Donald has done yet has changed my life one bit.
But I sure am having a hell of a time making fun of his ineptitude. It's very fun being on offense against somebody as dumb and corrupt as Donald.
Yet i know people who havr been affected. Living in nyc there are people whose families were affectef by the travel ban
We should not discount the hell of others because we are unaffected. Unfortunately this country has a history of doing that
Quote: Dalex64Nope. He also shouldn't claim that he would have won the popular vote, without proof.
Apparently Trump's popular vote total matters, to Trump.
You may have a point, but that was after the election. He isn't the brightest guy in the room if he isn't alone, but he did run a perfect campaign given the opponents and the state of the union.
Quote: SanchoPanzaAs soon as Adam Schiff can understand his aides' explanations of the documents he was supposed to read at the Executive Office Building.
I can't imagine how much it must suck to be a partisan on the side that has to defend Nunes and attack Schiff.
Yikes for you. That's rough.
Quote: SOOPOOYou may have a point, but that was after the election. He isn't the brightest guy in the room if he isn't alone, but he did run a perfect campaign given the opponents and the state of the union.
Actually, I would have to differ with you on that.
The Russians and the FBI both interfered at different points. Sadly, the FBI had real evidence against the Trump campaign bur chose to attack the Clinton campaign, against which they had nothing of substance.
A goat would have won by the time those two entities were done.
It had to have been far more stressful to defend Hillary Clinton's criminal misuse of Top Secret information, as evidenced by more than few extreme posts here.Quote: ams288I can't imagine how much it must suck to be a partisan on the side that has to defend Nunes and attack Schiff.
Yikes for you. That's rough.
Care to describe any "Russian interference"? It would be even more interesting to see whether that so-called "Russian interference" was any different from U.S. interference in other countries' elections like Israel, Germany, Venezuela, Egypt or even dreaded Russia itself.Quote: beachbumbabsThe Russians and the FBI both interfered at different points.
Quote: SanchoPanzaCare to describe any "Russian interference"? It would be even more interesting to see whether that so-called "Russian interference" was any different from U.S. interference in other countries' elections like Israel, Germany, Venezuela, Egypt or even dreaded Russia itself.
Well, for instance, US spies unauthorized presence in any country would convict every modern President Republican or Democrat.
But we also don't take Russian spies lightly and they expect to be punished if caught and we expect to be punished if they catch ours. (or make trades with spies caught)
So, either way, punishment is coming to the Russians if they're caught red handed interfering with our election even if we do the same thing. I don't know if it's right, but that's the way it is.
So, anyone who thinks there will be no consequence because we do it, is fantasy thinking.
Quote: ams288In your dreams, Bob.
Even your GF Rachel Madcow got it right
on her Thurs show:
"..there is still a possibility President Donald Trump and his campaign are innocent of accusations of being in cahoots with the Russian government during the 2016 presidential campaign and that this may not take down the Trump presidency."
There's no 'there' there, never has been.
Quote: beachbumbabsKushner is going down. He was in Paris negotiating with the Russians in October, a month before the election. That they know of so far, anyway.
This is a story nobody is trying to hide:
"During 2016 the bank's management repeatedly met with representatives of the world's leading financial institutions in Europe, Asia and America ... including the head of Kushner Companies, Jared Kushner," the VEB (VEB is the bank) statement said... The meeting between Kushner and Gorkov does not violate the US sanctions, and it is not unusual for businesses under sanctions to meet with US officials, experts said."
The big question CNN wants to know, did
Kushner at any time during these meetings
use Russian dressing on a salad, or have a
White Russian at the bar. And Kushner doesn't
even drink!
Convicted under which law? Presidents have longstanding authority to conduct special operations and intelligence activities.Quote: rxwineWell, for instance, US spies unauthorized presence in any country would convict every modern President Republican or Democrat.
Quote: SanchoPanzaConvicted under which law? Presidents have longstanding authority to conduct special operations and intelligence activities.
The lawful authority of our President doesn't legally extend beyond our territories. So anywhere not there he could be convicted for authorizing spying activities, and other selected offenses as he is our top banana. He could be convicted under other countries laws.
Usually we only capture the actual spies and punish them, but doesn't mean higher ups wouldn't be held responsible if possible.
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http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-ed-our-dishonest-president/
The problem with Trump
A series of Times editorials
I. Our Dishonest President
II. Why Trump lies
III. Coming Tuesday
IV. Coming Wednesday
Quote: SanchoPanzaIt had to have been far more stressful to defend Hillary Clinton's criminal misuse of Top Secret information, as evidenced by more than few extreme posts here.
I'd rather be on the side defending the misuse of classified information than the side that seems to be okay with defending, you know, treason.
Quote: EvenBobEven your GF Rachel Madcow got it right
on her Thurs show:
"..there is still a possibility President Donald Trump and his campaign are innocent of accusations of being in cahoots with the Russian government during the 2016 presidential campaign and that this may not take down the Trump presidency."
There's no 'there' there, never has been.
This quote does not seem to back up your view at all.
It seems to me that you have selectively edited her quote. I did not watch her show on Thursday so I can't say for sure.
But I'd be surprised if it didn't go something like this:
"there is still a possibility" <end of Evenbob's snippet>
" .... BUT... there sure is a lot of smoke for there to be no fire."
Righties, you must be so proud of your President!
Quote: @realDonaldTrumpSuch amazing reporting on unmasking and the crooked scheme against us by @foxandfriends. "Spied on before nomination." The real story.
Quote: @realDonaldTrumpDid Hillary Clinton ever apologize for receiving the answers to the debate? Just asking!
She received the *answers* to the debate? Huh?
I wouldn't be surprised if Donald, like many righties, mistakenly believes that Hillary was given the *questions* to the general debates against Donald, and not the primary debates against Bernie.
Quote: ams288This quote does not seem to back up your view at all.
It seems to me that you have selectively edited her quote. I did not watch her show on Thursday so I can't say for sure.
But I'd be surprised if it didn't go something like this:
"there is still a possibility" <end of Evenbob's snippet>
" .... BUT... there sure is a lot of smoke for there to be no fire."
Its on YouTube
She was basically stating that liberals have an uphill battle and should not assume trump is going anywhere. Let the investigation proceed and give trump the benefit of being innocent till proven guilty
Something too gracious for Republicans to do with hillary
The mishandling of classified information is actually a felony under the Espionage Act, as posted here several times.Quote: ams288I'd rather be on the side defending the misuse of classified information than the side that seems to be okay with defending, you know, treason.
A slight problem that passed unmentioned in the original post: Other countries' unapplicable laws are unenforceable in the U.S.Quote: rxwineThe lawful authority of our President doesn't legally extend beyond our territories. So anywhere not there he could be convicted for authorizing spying activities, and other selected offenses as he is our top banana. He could be convicted under other countries laws. Usually we only capture the actual spies and punish them, but doesn't mean higher ups wouldn't be held responsible if possible.
Quote: SanchoPanzaThe mishandling of classified information is actually a felony under the Espionage Act, as posted here several times.
Great. Treason is worse.
In 2020, instead of "Lock him up!" maybe there will be chants of "Put him down!"
Got any evidence?Quote: ams288Great. Treason is worse.
In 2020, instead of "Lock him up!" maybe there will be chants of "Put him down!"
Quote: SanchoPanzaGot any evidence?
Unfortunately, I am not running the FBI investigation.
But be patient. These things take time.
Hold my beer when Flynn gets immunity and starts his singing career.Quote: SanchoPanzaGot any evidence?
I don't believe Trump was directly involved with the Russians.Quote: SanchoPanzaGot any evidence?
He IS guilty of Conflicts of Interest, Complete Lack of Judgement, Lie-ing, and in general being a Royal (no, Not Flush) pain in the Arse.
Quote: JohnnyQI don't believe Trump was directly involved with the Russians.
He IS guilty of Conflicts of Interest, Complete Lack of Judgement, Lie-ing, and in general being a Royal (no, Not Flush) pain in the Arse.
Trump was the head of the Trump campaign. If it happened, he was responsible. And it happened; there is no doubt of that.
So that holds for Susan Rice and Ben Rhodes, right?Quote: beachbumbabsTrump was the head of the Trump campaign. If it happened, he was responsible. And it happened; there is no doubt of that.
In other words, not a scintilla of evidence, as Clapper and Morell have made clear.Quote: RomesHold my beer when Flynn gets immunity and starts his singing career.
Quote: RSWhat is it that Trump and/or the Russians did or supposedly did? I've heard of this "interfered with the election" thing several times, but never what that actually entails.
The question has been asked here several times over three months or so. All with similar results.Quote: ams288Unfortunately, I am not running the FBI investigation.
But be patient. These things take time.
Quote: SanchoPanzaThe question has been asked here several times over three months or so. All with similar results.
Quote:The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations says there's no question Russia was involved in the U.S. presidential election and that the actions of the Kremlin will be addressed after the investigations are completed.
"We don't want any country involved in our elections, ever," Nikki Haley said in an interview aired Sunday on ABC's This Week.
Nicky Haley, guess she is one of those Lying Republicans
Quote: RSWhat is it that Trump and/or the Russians did or supposedly did? I've heard of this "interfered with the election" thing several times, but never what that actually entails.
Watch this (or don't - I don't care.... You just can't plead ignorance anymore if you don't).
Or you can plead not keeping up with developments:Quote: ams288Watch this (or don't - I don't care.... You just can't plead ignorance anymore if you don't).
"On Sunday's edition of 'State of the Union' on CNN, House Intelligence Committee top Democrat Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) explained that so far his investigation has turned up no evidence of Trump-Russia collusion in the 2016 election. "I don’t think we can say anything definitively at this point," Schiff said." real clear politics
The old joke goes....When is a politician lying? ANYTIME they open their mouth!
Quote: SanchoPanzaOr you can plead not keeping up with developments:Quote: ams288Watch this (or don't - I don't care.... You just can't plead ignorance anymore if you don't).
"On Sunday's edition of 'State of the Union' on CNN, House Intelligence Committee top Democrat Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) explained that so far his investigation has turned up no evidence of Trump-Russia collusion in the 2016 election. "I don’t think we can say anything definitively at this point," Schiff said." real clear politics
The investigation is ongoing. The House investigation has yet to call many witnesses. Beside, the House isn't the investigation that matters. The FBI will decide if crimes have occurred, not the House.
Quote: billryanThe investigation is ongoing. The House investigation has yet to call many witnesses. Beside, the House isn't the investigation that matters. The FBI will decide if crimes have occurred, not the House.
The House investigation is basically dead, thanks to the incompetent Trump crony Nunes....
There needs to be an independent commission set up. But that's unlikely to happen because the righties are TERRIFIED of what that will find...
Quote: ams288The House investigation is basically dead, thanks to the incompetent Trump crony Nunes....
There needs to be an independent commission set up. But that's unlikely to happen because the righties are TERRIFIED of what that will find...
Republican hero John McCain said the exact same thing in CNN this morning. Except the bit about righties.
Oh, there's a ton of evidence that connects trump with russian interests:Quote: SanchoPanzaIn other words, not a scintilla of evidence, as Clapper and Morell have made clear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX8dgbr5EI8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy9Qtf3P6Nw
You're a fool and an idiot to ignore these signs. That's like walking in to a room with one dead body on the floor (due to gunshots) and one man standing over it holding a gun and saying "yeah, he clearly had nothing to do with this!"
