Where's your ethical red line?

Now's the chance to tell us where your ethical boundaries lie. I'd like you to tell us of two gambling situations where you would be, respectively, just short of but not over your personal red line (you would do it) and just over it (you wouldn't do it).

I'll go first. I've had friends give me their slot cards so I could pick up free play for them that they would otherwise lose. I'm perfectly OK with this, as that free play is something of value that belongs to them and like a $20 bill, a cherry pie, or a kick in the nuts, they are therefore free to give it to whomever they wish.

On the other side of the line, there was a legendary hustler named, uh, "Brunhilda" who worked promos, sometimes to death, in Vegas and Laughlin during the 90s. She even got written up in the Review-Journal. There was a promo at the old Frontier where if you cashed your paycheck, you would get a coupon entitling you to double pay on any four of a kind (once). They had dollar 9/6 JOB, so Brunhilda recruited a small army of fleas--always on call for her. She bankrolled them and would give them $25 when they hit their quad for the evening--she would profit $100 less the small -EV from the play itself. The fleas got free drinks, so they were happy. They also would get $400 as payment for signing for a royal should they hit one. Well, this was a pretty good idea except for the fact that very few of these fleas ever earned a paycheck. So Brunhilda went to her bank and had a bunch of checks printed up with "Brunhilda Corporation" on them. She would write her fleas a check for $500 and they would cash it and use it as their stake. When they hit the quad, they would redeem the coupon and turn all proceeds over to Brunhilda, who would give them their $25. Well, this worked well up to a point--but Brunhilda, perhaps as far from the world of actually earning wages as you or I are from the world of horses and buggies, made the mistake of making each and every check out for exactly $500, not one check $484.57 and the next one $512.03, the way actual paychecks would look. So they were on the verge of backing off her and the flea circus when one of the fleas hit a royal. Brunhilda was all happy-smiles until it became apparent that the lucky flea was going to keep the entire amount. Brunhilda became livid, started shaking, and screamed at the flea for a protracted period until security came and threw her out. The other fleas in action quietly cashed out as well and slunk out into the night. Outside, Brenda exploded and spattered all over the parking lot.

The choices in the poll that were truncated are "if I found a dead body in the bathroom, I would go through its pockets," "If I found a nickel on the floor, I would turn it in to security" and "I would club a baby harp seal to death for $5 free play."

“In judging policies, we should consider the results that have been achieved through them, rather than the means by which they have been executed.”

I don't understand the last sentence.

Many advantage players played this promo with multiple people.

I can't believe she didn't mix up the amounts of the checks, that just really dumb and actually angers me that someone would be that idiotic.

There was various other ways to get cashable checks as well.

Many other casino's over the years have done this promo, some of them I was able to play it daily for months.

At the Pioneer in Laughlin you could get a 100 coin bonus ($500 extra) playing $5 9/6 machines. I had a small travel printer, laptop and business checks that they verified.

So obviously don't see anything wrong with getting an account and running players, or I would be hypocritical.

Everything else she did was not very cool.

It's never the wrong time to do the right thing, nor is there ever a right time to do the wrong thing.

Once in the early 90s I had a $5 bet on the don't come at Binion's Horseshoe. Shooter rolls a 4 and I lay $100 in odds. A few rolls later the shooter rolls a 4 and the dealer forgets my bets. A few more rolls and the shooter sevens and I get paid. I just don't see myself correcting the house in these types of situations. Same as when the dealer pays my push at blackjack.

But if I find a wallet, I don't care how much money is in it, I return it to the owner. It's not my money. I don't fret over doing the right thing. If the guy doesn't give me a reward it wouldn't bother me one bit. It's kinda too bad that someone wouldn't feel generous if his wallet was returned to him intact though.

Im fine with anything thats not illegal. Im happy with grey areas, things like edge sorting, overpayments on bets or at the cage, abusing bonuses etc. I think the house already has the advantage, if they are going to let opportunities crop up because of a failure to understand or human error, then I am happy to exploit that.

Remembering back in Laughlin they gave a 125 coin bonus up to $125 for any four of a kind at the Ramada (now the Tropicana ) IIRC they had the $1 jacks(8/5 I believe) that paied triple on 4 sevens(nice score when you hit the 7's )

What made this really good was, all you had to do was go to the outlet mall next door and at the information booth they just gave out the fun books that had the coupon for the bonus. I remember getting 5 books at once.

You could play multiple per day evwry day at the beginning of the promotion) by just going on different shifts.

Near the end it was an AP/hustler convention. It wasn't hard to find aunderfunded VP player or slot bonus hustler who was more than happy to play for you for $25 and a Royal bonus.

Ramada even had a promotion where you could get double on a str8 flush(can't remember the max pay out or denominations), normally thats good but not a big deal, however they were paying it with wild card's.

They also had sigma bonus duces the kind that paied 50 coins on natural 4 of a kinds and 250 coins on natural str8 flushes with a 3% RF meter
7k+ on the RF on .25 and 28k on the $1 denomination.

If free play was your money the casino would just mail you a check.

Quote: Joeshlabotnik

I'll go first. I've had friends give me their slot cards so I could pick up free play for them that they would otherwise lose. I'm perfectly OK with this, as that free play is something of value that belongs to them and like a $20 bill, a cherry pie, or a kick in the nuts, they are therefore free to give it to whomever they wish.

Just to make sure this is kosher, why don't you, the next time you intend to pick up a friend's free play for them, first stop at a suit's office and tell them what you're going to do. Then get back to us.

Quote: standbymyman

If free play was your money the casino would just mail you a check.

Actually, all the 'free play' I ever got , well, it was my money, or a small portion of it, coming back home ;-(

And it was a check, or checks.
Although only redeemable at the cashiers window......

Quote: bobbartop

Just to make sure this is kosher, why don't you, the next time you intend to pick up a friend's free play for them, first stop at a suit's office and tell them what you're going to do. Then get back to us.

Silly statement and meaningless distinction. Ethical behavior and what a casino will or won't allow are two entirely different things and shouldn't be compared to one another. As a couple of obvious examples, card counting and playing exclusively positive VP, only on point multiplier days, etc. are perfectly ethical, but casinos don't like you doing those things.

Quote: TwoFeathersATL

Actually, all the 'free play' I ever got , well, it was my money, or a small portion of it, coming back home ;-(

And it was a check, or checks.
Although only redeemable at the cashiers window......

I didn't say that free play was money, I said it was "something of value." It can be exchanged for money. When the casino says "You have been awarded $X free play," I take it to mean that that something of value now belongs to me, and I can do whatever I want with it.

In point of fact, several legal decisions have backed up this point of view, but I was discussing what is or isn't ethical according to one person or the next. I'm sure that there are some people who wouldn't use a friend's slot card to pick up free play; I'm equally sure that there are some people who would be puzzled that anyone even raises the question of whether it's OK.

Are they giving you the free play or are you playing it for them?

We do a mutual "play it for me while I'm out of town" system then immediately PayPal the person their winnings.

Quote: Joeshlabotnik

Silly statement and meaningless distinction. Ethical behavior and what a casino will or won't allow are two entirely different things and shouldn't be compared to one another. As a couple of obvious examples, card counting and playing exclusively positive VP, only on point multiplier days, etc. are perfectly ethical, but casinos don't like you doing those things.

My statement was silly, because I shouldn't have expected you to admit your behavior is unethical. But God will know it. I hope you don't mind warm weather.

Quote: Joeshlabotnik

The choices in the poll that were truncated are "if I found a dead body in the bathroom, I would go through its pockets," "If I found a nickel on the floor, I would turn it in to security" and "I would club a baby harp seal to death for $5 free play."

I have found a dead body and he didn't have a wallet on him. Sadly, he was in a swimsuit floating in the middle of Lake Mead.

Quote: bobbartop

My statement was silly, because I shouldn't have expected you to admit your behavior is unethical. But God will know it. I hope you don't mind warm weather.

My point went rocketing over your head (as so many concepts seem to): we all have different ethical guidelines and boundaries. But I don't think you're actually saying that my behavior is/was unethical; I very much doubt that you honestly think there's anything wrong with using another player's card to collect his free play for him. You're just trolling now.

Quote: Joeshlabotnik

My point went rocketing over your head (as so many concepts seem to): we all have different ethical guidelines and boundaries. But I don't think you're actually saying that my behavior is/was unethical; I very much doubt that you honestly think there's anything wrong with using another player's card to collect his free play for him. You're just trolling now.

That's rich, if anyone on this group is trolling it would be you. I take my roll on this group very seriously. Your comparison of card counting and playing on multiplier days fails. That's not anything like collecting your friend's free play while he's out of town. Yes, I AM actually saying it is unethical. That free play is meant for another person to play, not you. What if I'm a ploppy and I were to have an expert collect my free play while I'm out of town? That is indeed screwing the casino, and unethical. What would you call using someone else's card in that manner? It's literally against their written rules in most casinos I know. Is there a written rule against card counting or only playing on multiplier days? No, so your analogy fails completely. If you're collecting your friend's freeplay for him, you're unethical, and that's by the universal standard of ethics. If you don't think it's unethical, then you just don't have ethics. You don't get to choose what is ethical. That's situation ethics, and is a ruse in your own mind to deny your misbehavior. Ethics and morality are absolute. Eternity seems a heavy price for picking up someone's freeplay, but you're going to be judged for it, someday.

Wait a second. I'm going to be judged and sent to hell for playing a buddies free play?

Quote: BTLWI

Wait a second. I'm going to be judged and sent to hell for playing a buddies free play?

Joe's entire premise is that ethics are a personal choice, and that's not up to HIM to decide. But it was and is futile for me to tell him the truth, he is blinded by his endless argumentativeness.

Quote: bobbartop

That's rich, if anyone on this group is trolling it would be you. I take my roll on this group very seriously. Your comparison of card counting and playing on multiplier days fails. That's not anything like collecting your friend's free play while he's out of town. Yes, I AM actually saying it is unethical. That free play is meant for another person to play, not you. What if I'm a ploppy and I were to have an expert collect my free play while I'm out of town? That is indeed screwing the casino, and unethical. What would you call using someone else's card in that manner? It's literally against their written rules in most casinos I know. Is there a written rule against card counting or only playing on multiplier days? No, so your analogy fails completely. If you're collecting your friend's freeplay for him, you're unethical, and that's by the universal standard of ethics. If you don't think it's unethical, then you just don't have ethics. You don't get to choose what is ethical. That's situation ethics, and is a ruse in your own mind to deny your misbehavior. Ethics and morality are absolute. Eternity seems a heavy price for picking up someone's freeplay, but you're going to be judged for it, someday.

Your lack of objectivity shows in the positions you take. Your lack of intellect shows in the childish errors in your writing (you appear not to know how to spell "role," for example).

It's literally against their written rules? As opposed to figuratively against their written rules? LOL, as they say.

There IS NO universal standard of ethics, Bobby boy. There are only yours, and mine, and those of other individuals, and those are all different in some way. Don't elevate YOUR ethics to the status of THE UNIVERSAL STANDARD of ethics. You aren't that important. Or intelligent. Or ethical, for that matter--NO ONE is, to the point where they can dictate their ethics to others.

I could debate situational ethics all day, but not with you. That would be like discussing particle physics with my dog (though he would probably listen better than you). And sorry---your imaginary deity isn't going to judge me, because he doesn't exist. And YOUR judgment of me means less than nothing. Negative zip. Minus zilch. Mucho nada.

Quote: BTLWI

Wait a second. I'm going to be judged and sent to hell for playing a buddies free play?

Remember, Bob's imaginary deity is watching you at all times and recording everything you do! He's making a list, checking it twice, going to find out who's...oh wait, that's the guy in charge of Casino Promotions.

It says right in the Bible (Book of Sidney, Chapter 4, Verse 14) that if you misbehave with your free play, God will no-mail you. What could be worse than not getting those heavenly buffet coupons?

Quote: Joeshlabotnik

Your lack of intellect shows in the childish errors in your writing (you appear not to know how to spell "role," for example).

I've already mentioned that I never made it to high school. So for that, you're calling me a stupid child? I thought we were going to be civil about this. But you're calling me stupid and a child? I feel insulted. I feel personally insulted. It would be one thing to say you disagree with my opinions, but it is clearly another to call me stupid. And, as you probably know, when someone in a debate can only resort to personal insults and grammatical challenges, he has probably run out of gas. So, Joe, not only are you going to be judged eternally for your moral and ethical transgressions at the kiosk, I feel a 3-day suspension in WOV purgatory is only justice. Burn baby burn.

Quote: Joeshlabotnik

Remember, Bob's imaginary deity is watching you at all times and recording everything you do! He's making a list, checking it twice, going to find out who's...oh wait, that's the guy in charge of Casino Promotions.

It says right in the Bible (Book of Sidney, Chapter 4, Verse 14) that if you misbehave with your free play, God will no-mail you. What could be worse than not getting those heavenly buffet coupons?

LOL great post!

I was living in an expensive apartment. A girl would work on her laptop in the break room almost every late night. I would jog on the treadmill late. One night she left her laptop in the break room open and it was maybe 4 am. I have never seen her do this. I thought of holding it for her. But I was too scared of being accused of stealing. So I went to bed. I never saw her in that break room again. I felt bad because her laptop was probably stolen or she was too embarrassed to come back. Most likely stolen.

Quote: BTLWI

Wait a second. I'm going to be judged and sent to hell for playing a buddies free play?

Maybe just exiled to the gamblersforumfor a few months. Hell is reserved for those who sneak fruit out of buffets.

Quote: bobbartop

I've already mentioned that I never made it to high school. So for that, you're calling me a stupid child? I thought we were going to be civil about this. But you're calling me stupid and a child? I feel insulted. I feel personally insulted. It would be one thing to say you disagree with my opinions, but it is clearly another to call me stupid. And, as you probably know, when someone in a debate can only resort to personal insults and grammatical challenges, he has probably run out of gas. So, Joe, not only are you going to be judged eternally for your moral and ethical transgressions at the kiosk, I feel a 3-day suspension in WOV purgatory is only justice. Burn baby burn.

"Lack of intellect" isn't the same as "stupid." "Lack of intellect" refers to an inability, or a disinclination--it doesn't really matter which--to think about things in depth, to consider points of view other than your own, etc. You may indeed also be stupid, but I don't have enough information to say at this time. I merely have the lack of intellect displayed by your posts to go on. But yes, a lack of education does correlate to a lack of intellect for most people. It does NOT correlate to intelligence or lack thereof. You may indeed be intelligent. Your argumentative skills and lack of writing ability do suggest a lack of intellect. Not your fault, in all likelihood. As your belief in your imaginary deity is also not your fault--it was doubtless imprinted on you in early childhood.

As far as personal this and that, I hasten to remind you that YOU called me unethical, an INSULT that I don't take lightly. I didn't go crying to the moderators--I fight my own battles--but if you want to do so, feel free. Just remember that whatever YOU think doesn't matter. If asked, I'll point out who started this and who was the first to fling insults.

This discussion is over, as I'm forced to block you now. If anyone else would like to continue the actual discussion re personal ethical boundaries for behavior in a casino, please, feel free.

Quote: billryan

Maybe just exiled to the gamblersforumfor a few months. Hell is reserved for those who sneak fruit out of buffets.

A friend of mine arrives at buffets with a huge, empty purse and leaves with a huge, full purse. She has asked me to visually screen her a couple of times while she empties the fruit bowl at the salad bar. I am SUCH an enabler :)

I told her that she was going to Gambler's Hell for her actions, but hastened to explain that because the universe is a pretty screwed-up place, Gambler's Hell featured a comped suite, free top-shelf drinks, and multiple buffet passes, for all eternity. Gambler's Heaven features a room at the old downtown Western, Miller Lite, and comps to the old Circus Circus buffet (Vegas veterans know what I'm referring to; it was $2.99, and we used to say that its primary virtue was that it was cheaper than food).

I was trying to think of something I've pulled in Vegas that made me feel like I crossed the line. I once played a friend's blackjack pays 2:1 coupon at Casino Royale. Of course, I played it on another shift than I played my own coupon on. My friend doesn't gamble, and so his coupon would not get used. The casinos know this. And they know that points will expire and people won't come back in time to redeem them.

I had another friend that had $125 on his player's card, again at Casino Royale. He wasn't going to Vegas as much as he used to so I used his player's card and played at least one hand of VP to keep his comps alive. And, of course, I got the free play that was auto-loaded onto his card.

I introduced him to Casino Royale. He used to take $10 and place it on 30 at roulette; wouldn't learn basic strategy. Shouldn't I be rewarded for bringing this lamb to slaughter?

All buffets will let you take a coffee to go in a styrofoam cup. And I could have eaten one more piece of chicken now, or just saved it for later.

Vegas is a town that feeds off your weakness, a town that caters to your base desires, a town that leads you into temptation, a town that hangs the forbidden fruit before you.

In blackjack if I get paid on a push I'm just getting something back from the evil empire. Kind of like a comp. And they expect me to take it! The good I do in the world won't start by reminding the dealer that pays me that we both have 19. Do you think I want to call attention to the dealer's misplay and get him into trouble?

Quote: Joeshlabotnik

As far as personal this and that, I hasten to remind you that YOU called me unethical, an INSULT that I don't take lightly.

Joe, this is your thread. Collecting someone else's freeplay is unethical. That's what you do, you are unethical. I will pray for you.

Quote: Joeshlabotnik

"Lack of intellect" isn't the same as "stupid." "Lack of intellect" refers to an inability, or a disinclination--it doesn't really matter which--to think about things in depth, to consider points of view other than your own ...

The irony contained in those words made me smile.

Quote: Puckerbutt

The irony contained in those words made me smile.

I dunno, it sounded like he was calling me stupid. Now I'm not sure, he's got me all confused. Maybe I am stupid.

I played in the opening round of a tournament once for a friend who was playing in another tournament thar was going on at the same time. I advanced to the next round and he took over .No one seemed to notice.
I was surprised that Id wasn't required. This was 15 years ago.

Quote: Puckerbutt

The irony contained in those words made me smile.

You might not understand. Telling somebody that their POV/behavior is unethical--as Bob did to me--is taking the unjustified view that YOUR ethical mindset is the ONLY valid one. Those with a lack of intellect--not necessarily stupid--view complex situations in a narrow sense. This is often seen when one invokes the moral stance of one's religion or church and says it should apply to others.

I do, in fact, contrary to your implication, consider the points of view of others. That's the whole point of this thread. I'm sure that there are things that some of us consider perfectly OK but others would never do, and things that we would never do that others consider perfectly OK. I'm not making, nor am I asking for, any kind of value judgment. Apparently, I needed to make it clearer that I was just giving examples of MY OWN ethical boundaries, NOT saying they should apply to others. Bob is saying HIS ethical standards should apply to ME, and by extension, everyone else--whether those standards originate from the writings of others supposedly inspired by his imaginary deity or were created solely in his infertile imagination.

Isn't it the whole point of ethics, by the way, that we will NOT be held accountable for our transgressions in some kind of afterlife--that we must set and respect our own ethical boundaries and adhere to them precisely because there is no mystical magical god in the sky keeping track of everything we do--that we could, in fact, behave unethically without any real fear of punishment? In a simplistic universe with a god or gods running things, we wouldn't NEED a personal ethical code--it would be shouted at us from a huge cloud in the sky, and what each of us thought or felt wouldn't matter at all.

It comes down to situational vs. absolute ethics, and I for one cannot think of any act that could not conceivably be justified, given a situation dire enough. As far as behavior in a casino goes, situational ethics would seem to apply there even more than in most settings.

Quote: Joeshlabotnik

You might not understand. Telling somebody that their POV/behavior is unethical--as Bob did to me--is taking the unjustified view that YOUR ethical mindset is the ONLY valid one. Those with a lack of intellect--not necessarily stupid--view complex situations in a narrow sense. This is often seen when one invokes the moral stance of one's religion or church and says it should apply to others.

I do, in fact, contrary to your implication, consider the points of view of others. That's the whole point of this thread. I'm sure that there are things that some of us consider perfectly OK but others would never do, and things that we would never do that others consider perfectly OK. I'm not making, nor am I asking for, any kind of value judgment. Apparently, I needed to make it clearer that I was just giving examples of MY OWN ethical boundaries, NOT saying they should apply to others. Bob is saying HIS ethical standards should apply to ME, and by extension, everyone else--whether those standards originate from the writings of others supposedly inspired by his imaginary deity or were created solely in his infertile imagination.

Isn't it the whole point of ethics, by the way, that we will NOT be held accountable for our transgressions in some kind of afterlife--that we must set and respect our own ethical boundaries and adhere to them precisely because there is no mystical magical god in the sky keeping track of everything we do--that we could, in fact, behave unethically without any real fear of punishment? In a simplistic universe with a god or gods running things, we wouldn't NEED a personal ethical code--it would be shouted at us from a huge cloud in the sky, and what each of us thought or felt wouldn't matter at all.

It comes down to situational vs. absolute ethics, and I for one cannot think of any act that could not conceivably be justified, given a situation dire enough. As far as behavior in a casino goes, situational ethics would seem to apply there even more than in most settings.

Thou shalt not play other people's freeplay.
Hate the sin, but love the sinner.

This topic never gets old.

Serious question: when playing with comped free play on a friend's card, wouldn't the house notice in the event of a huge jackpot? For a big hand pay and IRS form, don't they need photo ID, and wouldn't they at least glance at the player card in the machine?

Rightly or wrongly, I hold casinos to a lower moral standard than other businesses, and therefore I don't lose much sleep when a gambling mistake is made in my favor.

The Big 6/Big 8 craps bet serves only one purpose: to deceive novice players too new to the game to know about the Place 6/8 bets. As long as they're serving alcohol to players and deceiving new players with sucker bets, casinos are in no position to claim the moral high ground.

So when the grocery store clerk overpays me, I give the money back. When the blackjack dealer or craps dealer overpays me, I keep the money.

Nevertheless, I have my moral weaknesses. Last summer, I had used some frequent flier miles to pay for a ticket, but Southwest airlines canceled a whole bunch of flights. The airport was chaos. Eventually an agent booked me on a new flight and I finally got to my destination. But the airline mistakenly refunded the frequent flier miles back into my account, so I literally flew for free. Didn't I have a moral obligation to call the airline and explain their mistake? Yep. But I never made the call.

Quote: AxelWolf

You could play multiple per day evwry day at the beginning of the promotion) by just going on different shifts.

When I called the Silver Legacy in downtown Reno to redeem a free room offer, I was told the offer wasn't valid for stays on Friday/Saturday. (This caveat was mentioned nowhere in the fine print.) It drives me nuts when a casino won't honor their own offers. So I politely thanked the clerk for their time, hung up, waited 8 hours, (for the shift change) spoke with a different agent and got the free room.

Fwiw, if SWA canceled your flight and rebooked you, IMO as not an airline CEO, they owed you that flight gratis. That's how it was up til the early 1990's when the corporate raiders started buying and breaking up airlines for the value of the parts. I respect SWA for issuing you flight tickets without charge. It's still how good customer service is done when the airline is at fault.

When it comes to taking money from casinos there is nothing I can think of that is legal that should be considered ethically impermissible. It carries the same ethical considerations as finding an abandoned $20 bill on the floor. The casinos know that if they drop their money on the ground and walk away it's going to be lost

A couple years ago, I had over $1,200 in cash in my pocket while playing my favorite Dollar JOB Video Poker machine. After I was done with my session, I broke even, walked away and a few minutes later, pulled out my cash and counted a deficit of $400.00. Of course, I immediately went back to the machine and searched everywhere. Knowing how it is in the casino environment I all but gave up. A few minutes later I decided to report the incident to Security just in case someone turned in the money. Several hours later I was contacted by Security. They asked me a series of questions and after confirming and reconfirming my story, they said a housekeeper had found the money (four one hundred dollar bills) under my chair and turned it into Security right after I had walked away. Ok, I got the money back and later found the person who had returned it. I thanked her and gave her $20.00. She didn't speak very good English but I explained in Spanish who I was and she understood. She was ethical and I was appreciative that she did her job and cared enough to report it. Had another customer found the money, I'm not sure things would have gone the way they did. Just a story. Not a judgment call.

Quote: mikeabiomed

A couple years ago, I had over $1,200 in cash in my pocket while playing my favorite Dollar JOB Video Poker machine. After I was done with my session, I broke even, walked away and a few minutes later, pulled out my cash and counted a deficit of $400.00. Of course, I immediately went back to the machine and searched everywhere. Knowing how it is in the casino environment I all but gave up. A few minutes later I decided to report the incident to Security just in case someone turned in the money. Several hours later I was contacted by Security. They asked me a series of questions and after confirming and reconfirming my story, they said a housekeeper had found the money (four one hundred dollar bills) under my chair and turned it into Security right after I had walked away. Ok, I got the money back and later found the person who had returned it. I thanked her and gave her $20.00. She didn't speak very good English but I explained in Spanish who I was and she understood. She was ethical and I was appreciative that she did her job and cared enough to report it. Had another customer found the money, I'm not sure things would have gone the way they did. Just a story. Not a judgment call.

While contemplating suicide at the Binions players club desk (which just so happens to be within ear shot of the security desk) a Binions employee came up and turned in a $100 Bill she had found. They all celebrated and started making lunch plans. I'm sure if it was $400 she would have turned it in to security.

Quote: RogerKint

While contemplating suicide at the Binions players club desk (which just so happens to be within ear shot of the security desk) a Binions employee came up and turned in a $100 Bill she had found. They all celebrated and started making lunch plans. I'm sure if it was $400 she would have turned it in to security.

A published BJ author wrote he made a habit of stopping by lost and found and asking if anyone turned in a hundred dollar bill. There is really no downside to it.