Getting a Mulligan at video poker
I was playing at a bar in a casino, deuces wild for five dimes.
Was dealt a pair of tens, a pair of deuces and a six. Meant to discard only the six but accidentally discarded a deuce as well. Instead of making $2, I got my fifty cents back. Guy next to me tells me to call the bartender, he can look at the last hand and it will be obvious a mistake was made.
It wasn't worth it for $1.50 but for future reference, can you have them look at the machine in the event of an error.
Answers on the other forum were mixed, with one person saying they did pay him in a similar circumstance.
ZCore13
One specifically was 4444a. And I missed holding a four- I was paid
Quote: WizardofnothingZcore13 - I have had it happen more then once and on a couple of big hands and was paid
One specifically was 4444a. And I missed holding a four- I was paid
At what Casino?
ZCore13
Hard rock Fort Lauderdale
Sugarhouse
Arizona Charlie's Las Vegas
And sands bethlaham
I also recall and Atlantic city one but it was over 10 years ago and I cannot recall which
It also may be based on the player and his or her volume
He plays 100 denom vp and drinks heavily
I watched him misclick dealt quads and get paid
Quote: WizardofnothingFrom memory - four different ones-
Hard rock Fort Lauderdale
Sugarhouse
Arizona Charlie's Las Vegas
And sands bethlaham
I also recall and Atlantic city one but it was over 10 years ago and I cannot recall which
It also may be based on the player and his or her volume
Could be on player status. I amend my answer. If the player was something like a Diamond level or something like that, I could see it. Just the regular run of the mill player, I would be surprised.
I've seen video of casinos allowing a player to pee on the floor between machines, so I do know status makes a difference.
ZCore13
Quote: rsactuaryI saw someone ask at MSS once and was denied. There was no looking at the player's card. They did open the machine at look at the dealt hand and what was held, but they basically said, sorry it's your responsibility to make sure the correct cards are held.
As soon as you approach you can see a card in a machine. If it's a top tier player, you know.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13As soon as you approach you can see a card in a machine. If it's a top tier player, you know.
ZCore13
This was before they color coded and had tiers. So all the cards were the same.
On a related note, does anyone know whether if you receive a royal flush on the deal, do the machine's buttons freeze up, or do you have to hold the five royal flush cards? If the buttons do not freeze, then the player could be very disappointed if the player pushed draw without saving the royal.
Quote: Wizardofnothing
Arizona Charlie's Las Vegas
Wait, what? Don't let fff see this.
As a side note the machine locks up on a dealt royal so no misclick there
Quote: ChesterDogOn a related note, does anyone know whether if you receive a royal flush on the deal, do the machine's buttons freeze up, or do you have to hold the five royal flush cards? If the buttons do not freeze, then the player could be very disappointed if the player pushed draw without saving the royal.
Machine auto-holds
Quote: billryanI gather it doesn't hurt to ask, in any event. I never would have even thought of trying.
Exactly, it never hurts to ask. I too have seen it go both ways, with many factors probably influencing different decisions. In any case, don't waste your "one time shot" on a small hand. And don't say it was your fault, somehow try to blame the machine.
Quote: bobbartopExactly, it never hurts to ask. . . . In any case, don't waste your "one time shot" on a small hand. . . .
I've borrowed two of the sentences in your post --- I don't think I've messed up the context. The second sentence (which I strongly agree with and have written about) directly contradicts the first.
It CAN hurt to ask. Some casinos will correct these things some of the time --- depending. But being a frequent requester will signify to a casino (probably correctly) that you're just sloppy. After a while, it's obvious to everybody that it's not the machine, it's you.
A single line hand at the lowest stakes you play where you end up holding 554 from 55442 should be quietly ignored and absorbed. Yes you either screwed up or were "robbed" by the machine, but it's better to save your requests for when it's a bigger hand --- possibly for higher stakes and/or multi-hand. You don't want to be the guy who calls wolf too often. Save your requests for when it's a "major" amount.
Who gets the benefit of the doubt on these kinds of hands? Well, it's different everywhere but I would imagine regular customers, losing players, pleasant players, and/or big tippers will tend to have better results those who aren't so "desirable" to the casino. Win/loss is one factor of desirability, but it's hardly the only one. The guy who shows up only on days with big promotions, never tips, plays on the loosest machines, is rude to the staff and/or other players isn't going to find he gets many breaks.
I guess it should be looked at as a one time Get out of Jail free card. You don't want to use it on a common error.
As a a Royal locks up, in JOB game, would you say it should be used on 4oak or better at a decent bet?
As someone said, you don't want to cry wolf very often.
hopefully this isn't happening often.Quote: billryanI am talking about a mistake. It's a matter of how big the mistake should be before you bring it to the casinos attention.
As someone said, you don't want to cry wolf very often.
Quote: BobDancerI've borrowed two of the sentences in your post --- I don't think I've messed up the context.
Nope, you didn't mess up the context, you improved it. Thanks.
Planet Hollywood didn't pay me.
A) I meant to hold a card, didn't, and I want to my money.
B) I pressed hold, it didn't hold, I didn't wait to verify it was held before drawing, and I want my money.
C)I pressed hold, it held, I hit draw and it unheld itself by itself and I want money.
Seems even if you have one chance at mercy, you might not get it for A and B, even if A and B are true. C might happen without knowing it happened. Is it possible for a button to be pressed once and work twice.
Some friends of mine decided to bring a friend to pay UX video poker. She was dealt a full house on 10x.05.Quote: GreasyjohnWhen I first started playing video poker, I learned the game from my copy of American Casino Guide in 2002. So there I am at the Laughlin Nugget playing .25 9/6 JoB. I get dealt a full house and I'm so excited and I hit draw. Ended up with nothing. Had no idea at the time I could have put myself at the mercy of the casino and asked if they could correct my error.
They were so excited...
...that they forgot to tell her to hold the cards. :-(
She hit draw & the full house was redrawn.
Quote: onenickelmiracleHow would you phrase such a mistake?
A) I meant to hold a card, didn't, and I want to my money.
B) I pressed hold, it didn't hold, I didn't wait to verify it was held before drawing, and I want my money.
C)I pressed hold, it held, I hit draw and it unheld itself by itself and I want money.
Seems even if you have one chance at mercy, you might not get it for A and B, even if A and B are true. C might happen without knowing it happened. Is it possible for a button to be pressed once and work twice.
Very politely and humbly. Explain what happened and ask for their help. One reason I go out of my way to be nice to workers is that you never know when you might need them for something.
I have seen this used as an old trick on 5 way progressives too. Say you are dealt aces for 900 on the progressive that starts at 800. Drop one ace, hit draw, call em over in a joint you know will pay you, collect the money and they don't reset the progressive, play till you make them again. Doesn't work everywhere but I've seen it done and done my share... Tip better for this too!
I've had things like this happen so many times I can't even explain all of them. It depends on where your playing and who you have make the decision but I'd say almost always, always I get paid and asked to slow down next time. I was playing 50 cent full pay Jokers at the Western years ago and made a mistake with a 4 oak and got no joy but usually I get paid... Well in the high 90% tile.
I had a friend blow past a dime Royal on a Double Royal promo and call them over... Rolled back and got paid the bonus.
Not all flopped royals lock up. Seen one at 50 cent aces and eights on my partners machine and was surprised he had to hold hold hold. Guess cause it's not the top Royal payout since that game has a sequential royal.
Wow. Learn something new every day...Quote: monet0412I have seen this used as an old trick on 5 way progressives too. Say you are dealt aces for 900 on the progressive that starts at 800. Drop one ace, hit draw, call em over in a joint you know will pay you, collect the money and they don't reset the progressive, play till you make them again. Doesn't work everywhere but I've seen it done and done my share... Tip better for this too!
I must say that I morally disapprove of deliberately throwing away hands and lying about it for shot-taking purposes. Such tactics give advantage players a bad name.
Someone isn't doing their job in most cases I have seen where there is an issue with a progressive and a player is paid they reset it manually.Quote: monet0412Yes... Save these for larger mistakes. Something that costs you a small amount isn't worth it. Slow down and try not to make mistakes.
I have seen this used as an old trick on 5 way progressives too. Say you are dealt aces for 900 on the progressive that starts at 800. Drop one ace, hit draw, call em over in a joint you know will pay you, collect the money and they don't reset the progressive, play till you make them again. Doesn't work everywhere but I've seen it done and done my share... Tip better for this too!
I've had things like this happen so many times I can't even explain all of them. It depends on where your playing and who you have make the decision but I'd say almost always, always I get paid and asked to slow down next time. I was playing 50 cent full pay Jokers at the Western years ago and made a mistake with a 4 oak and got no joy but usually I get paid... Well in the high 90% tile.
I had a friend blow past a dime Royal on a Double Royal promo and call them over... Rolled back and got paid the bonus.
Not all flopped royals lock up. Seen one at 50 cent aces and eights on my partners machine and was surprised he had to hold hold hold. Guess cause it's not the top Royal payout since that game has a sequential royal.
Would that also apply to what Phil Ivey did?Quote: WizardI know someone whose wife hit I think four aces with a kicker on double double bonus for $10,000 on the deal. In her excitement she hit the draw button and threw it away, getting trash on the draw. She and her husband called the slot manager and pleaded with them for mercy but he only gave them a comped dinner. I tend to think the husband was a known player there, but perhaps not in a good way.
I must say that I morally disapprove of deliberately throwing away hands and lying about it for shot-taking purposes. Such tactics give advantage players a bad name.
Then they keep a list of those affected and tell them one mulligan per patron. It's like a coke machine doesn't give cokes and you're to blame it doesn't work right. They need to keep a list of machines that aren't working and fix them.
Quote: WizardI know someone whose wife hit I think four aces with a kicker on double double bonus for $10,000 on the deal. In her excitement she hit the draw button and threw it away, getting trash on the draw. She and her husband called the slot manager and pleaded with them for mercy but he only gave them a comped dinner. I tend to think the husband was a known player there, but perhaps not in a good way.
I must say that I morally disapprove of deliberately throwing away hands and lying about it for shot-taking purposes. Such tactics give advantage players a bad name.
Just to clarify, I was asking only about honest mistakes, not shot taking although I understand intent is difficult to prove.
Quote: AxelWolfSomeone isn't doing their job in most cases I have seen where there is an issue with a progressive and a player is paid they reset it manually.
Oh no doubt some places are sharper than others and reset progressives accordingly. I just love how all you AP Gambling honest injuns are on this site. "I'd never take a shot deliberately" or "That's beneath me" ! My point is if your playing BJ and the dealer is sloppy with the hole card are you telling them to stop showing it to me? Isn't card counting against the ethical rules... Why am I at +7 and betting more compared to when I'm at -2 ... Stop that immediately and let the floor man know I've been counting cards... Ya im counting cards! Hey Slots Manager... Im paying people an hourly wage to play your 5x Royal Progressives... Im sorry! You get over paid at the dice table or cashier and your saying I can't take that extra hundred! This machine is overpaying me five dollars when I cash out the coins... Please fix it! Your paying me too much in cash back with this point multiplier on Wednesday... Please don't give me 30x points! Call the slot manager... This one video poker machine is giving me 6x points instead of the 3x I'm supposed to get! You need to fix this immediately or I'm leaving! I am using my wife's players card by mistake ... My bad! Please take her points away for the last 8 hours! Your roulette wheel is warped... Please fix it today! Hey drunk tourists I see your two Holdem cards ever time you look at them in this poker game ... I'm leaving this table! These vision machines are way too easy to beat... Please fix them! I spent 300 in comp at the steak house and after swiping it didn't come off of my account... I'm not using my comp till you fix your system and please adjust my comp dollars now! Nothing but the honest AP gambers on this website... I'm the only dishonest shot taking thief on here 😉 !!
Quote: WizardI must say that I morally disapprove of deliberately throwing away hands and lying about it for shot-taking purposes. Such tactics give advantage players a bad name.
Well I morally disapprove of this self righteous attitude but to each his/her own. I have had a current play at a Casino for over 3 years now. It is a small glitch that yields a profit of $750 per month in cash per player. Now if a player is going to take advantage of this immoral or unethical advantage it is no different than throwing away a winning hand on purpose and asking to be paid for it. Either way... I could care less... I have been making $2200 per month on this one play alone for years and I hope it continues another 3 years!! However, what I really would disapprove of is some self righteous SOB figuring this glitch out and telling the Casino what is going on so they can shut it down! Oh and why on Earth would any AP care if they have a bad name or not. This is a war against Evil Empires. Do you think the Station Casinos have a good name because of what they did when they sold and re-bought the same properties for pennies on the dollars?? I guess it is good for Large Corporations to take advantage of glitches or taking shots for Billions or Dollars but for some little guy to take advantage of a small play... that is some serious Evil Doing!
I don't feel like getting into it but if anyone feels like writing up what the Stations Casinos actually did and can tell me that what they did is Ethical Behavior... I'd like to read it? For the record this is just one of many Unethical examples of Casinos Behavior.
I just assuned most folks get the same consideration but I do play a pretty decent amount of video poker and at most places I am behind a fair amount and I guess I'm a reasonably nice guy and a fairly good tipper. I have only been denied getting paid one time and they tested the buttons and said they were working fine, I think I just missed hitting the button that time.
Ultimately I think it comes down to whether you're taking advantage of a machine or error type of thing or glitch or if you're taking advantage of a person like if you get overpaid at the cage, it comes out of their paycheck or they get in trouble.
Shot takers end up getting cheated.
Anyone ever paid for a lap dance or a half hour with a hooker or a massage with all sorts of endings? Pretty Immoral, Unethical Behavior that I disapprove of!! Not to mention downright illegal... well maybe not just the lap dance part! You get the drift with this BS and Self Righteous Attitude throwing down judgment down on your fellow man. Rocks and Glass or Houses or something like that I think.
Fyi since you quoted me and then included your rant, or whatever you call it.Quote: monet0412Oh no doubt some places are sharper than others and reset progressives accordingly. I just love how all you AP Gambling honest injuns are on this site. "I'd never take a shot deliberately" or "That's beneath me" ! My point is if your playing BJ and the dealer is sloppy with the hole card are you telling them to stop showing it to me? Isn't card counting against the ethical rules... Why am I at +7 and betting more compared to when I'm at -2 ... Stop that immediately and let the floor man know I've been counting cards... Ya im counting cards! Hey Slots Manager... Im paying people an hourly wage to play your 5x Royal Progressives... Im sorry! You get over paid at the dice table or cashier and your saying I can't take that extra hundred! This machine is overpaying me five dollars when I cash out the coins... Please fix it! Your paying me too much in cash back with this point multiplier on Wednesday... Please don't give me 30x points! Call the slot manager... This one video poker machine is giving me 6x points instead of the 3x I'm supposed to get! You need to fix this immediately or I'm leaving! I am using my wife's players card by mistake ... My bad! Please take her points away for the last 8 hours! Your roulette wheel is warped... Please fix it today! Hey drunk tourists I see your two Holdem cards ever time you look at them in this poker game ... I'm leaving this table! These vision machines are way too easy to beat... Please fix them! I spent 300 in comp at the steak house and after swiping it didn't come off of my account... I'm not using my comp till you fix your system and please adjust my comp dollars now! Nothing but the honest AP gambers on this website... I'm the only dishonest shot taking thief on here 😉 !!
To be clear I was not judging at all. I only said someone isn't doing their job. I never said ANYTHING regarding the morality of this or anything gray moves involving the casinos.
Everyone has their own personal line and that's their business.
Another unethical behavior for APs is card pulling... Anyone here ever done that?
