moving slot chips?
Or if that is even a normal procedure and why?
I'm just curious.
I visit a casino in Pennsylvania which will go unnamed. I like to play a particular slot machine which this casino has in a single bank of four side by side. Everything about them looks identical as far as the game goes.
The left and right outer units have "thick" buttons while the inner two have "thin" buttons. I mean literally, you can see the plastic of the buttons are different. If you like to button mash (like I do) the "thin" buttons are real easy, while the "thick" buttons make it real difficult due to heavier force required to push them. (after a few minutes my hand hurts with the "thick" buttons much faster.)
Also, (and here is the point of the thread) one of the four machines has a glitch. It is NOT and AP'able glitch. It is simply a glitch. Basically, whenever you win, the digital graphics stutter, so that the money counts up in a freeze, stutter, freeze motion and finishes its count after the synced music (going at normal speed) finishes. It is an annoying glitch as it slows down gameplay but otherwise I see no adverse issue with it.
Except that the glitch switches machines on a weekly basis. One week, I find the glitch on the outer left machine, then another week I find it on the inner right, then another week on the outer right. I thought my memory was going kaflooey but I am absolutely certain of this. The glitch is so glaring, I know immediately the machines have been switched.
The purpose of pointing out the thin and thick buttons above is that I know the physical units have not been moved around. The same thin and thick buttons are there in the same locations every time I play.
Which means, the casino is switching the programmed chips from machine to machine (unless someone can explain otherwise)
So, just curious if this makes any sense to anyone here why a casino would do that. (I imagine if it is normal, the actual switching is mostly invisible to the players. I only caught this action due to the mysteriously moving glitch).
Quote: DRichNo, that is not normal and I would be very surprised if it is true. I am not doubting that you perceive the glitch moving from machine to machine, but unless you actually witness them doing it I am skeptical.
Drich,
I too am skeptical. However, this glitch is switching from machine to machine. That I am absolutely certain of.
Which leaves me in a quandary as to why it would happen and why I posted the info here. Looking for some rational explanation is all.
Quote: darkozDrich,
I too am skeptical. However, this glitch is switching from machine to machine. That I am absolutely certain of.
Which leaves me in a quandary as to why it would happen and why I posted the info here. Looking for some rational explanation is all.
So obviously, you are changing machines each time you play. Are you the only one playing each time? Did you consider that the "stuttering" might be happening on each of the machines? So it isn't following you around, it's happening to all of them.
Did you consider that the machine itself is just a shell, so they used machines they already had in house for a couple of them, and then bought a couple new ones?
By the way, in this thread from last year, you said you were going to post video of controlling the stops on a slot machine. We're still waiting.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/slots/21474-when-does-the-slot-determine-the-win/
Quote: rsactuarySo obviously, you are changing machines each time you play. Are you the only one playing each time? Did you consider that the "stuttering" might be happening on each of the machines? So it isn't following you around, it's happening to all of them.
Did you consider that the machine itself is just a shell, so they used machines they already had in house for a couple of them, and then bought a couple new ones?
By the way, in this thread from last year, you said you were going to post video of controlling the stops on a slot machine. We're still waiting.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/slots/21474-when-does-the-slot-determine-the-win/
As to question #1: I play all the machines in the bank. I will play forty to a hundred spins and if I am not doing well, will switch. It is not an AP move, just switching as a machine isn't paying at the moment. Obviously if a machine has someone else playing I am not getting on it. But this glitch stays with one machine for about a week. So, throughout a single day, I will see the glitch only on the machine in the left corner even though I am switching all day and all week between all the machines.
Then suddenly, one day I come in and switching throughout the day between machines, the glitch is only present on a completely different machine. It will remain on that machine and that machine only for maybe a week or two (I never timed the number of days) when all of a sudden one day I come in and lo and behold, playing all the machines, the glitch has suddenly moved again.
As to question #2: I've re-read your question a couple times and cant understand what you are asking. These four machines are the same game. The buttons never change. The game itself seems to never change. But the glitch moves from machine to machine. Not sure how "shells" and "buying a couple new ones" comes into it.
As to question #3: I did indeed video tape my controlling the stops and upon a frame by frame analysis using a video editor determined I was wrong. (Yeah, I was conveniently remaining silent on that one but you got me, damn! My bad!)
You don't know that. Just because you haven't identified a logical way to exploit it doesn't mean it's not somehow exploitable. Perhaps during the freezing mode if you hit cash out and the change light at the same time it will give you 1000 credits. Highly doubtful that's just some made up BS, but you can't say for certain the glitch is not sign there's something more to it.Quote: darkozIt is NOT and AP'able glitch.
In one of your other post where you talk about knowing when a bonus is due, or whatever you were claiming. I'm very confident that if that's real and not just a frequent bonus that appears to come up within x number of spins, it's most likely exploitable but you just haven't figured out how to exploit it.
People always assume stuff about slots because there are general rules that are mostly true. However there are situations where the rules don't apply and there's more than meets the eye. Indiana Jones was a perfect example of that. If someone said you should play the machine that had the most action on it. You would have just discounted that as just a theory. Many others didn't realize this aspect at the beginning they would just run and grab the first open seats and wait.
Here's my speculations on why the glitch is moving from machine to machine, if in fact is. Someone else playing it has complained or said something. A slot tech moved the chips or something, perhaps thinking that would fix the problem. Either way the machine that had the problem was fix and the customer was happy so the slot tech assumed his job was done. He may have tested the other machine as well but the glitch did not appear in the test mode or whatever way he tested it. Perhaps the person plays different machines on this bank occasionally and keeps asking them to fix it the problem and they just keep doing the same thing and moving the chip to a different machine. The customer probably just tells them how the last slot tech solved the problem.
Is it possible they have the machines on a central server or something?
Quote: AxelWolf
Here's my speculations on why the glitch is moving from machine to machine, if in fact is. Someone else playing it has complained or said something. A slot tech moved the chips or something, perhaps thinking that would fix the problem. Either way the machine that had the problem was fix and the customer was happy so the slot tech assumed his job was done. He may have tested the other machine as well but the glitch did not appear in the test mode or whatever way he tested it. Perhaps the person plays different machines on this bank occasionally and keeps asking them to fix it the problem and they just keep doing the same thing and moving the chip to a different machine. The customer probably just tells them how the last slot tech solved the problem.
Wow. You have got to be kidding me. No casino puts that much effort into something they know long run is going to make them money regardless of where it's positioned in the casino.
?????????????Quote: rsactuaryWow. You have got to be kidding me. No casino puts that much effort into something they know long run is going to make them money regardless of where it's positioned in the casino.
I'm talking about moving the chip to a different machine of the same type, not moving the entire machine. it would be like fixing a broken bill validator or something.
Quote: AxelWolfYou don't know that. Just because you haven't identified a logical way to exploit it doesn't mean it's not somehow exploitable. Perhaps during the freezing mode if you hit cash out and the change light at the same time it will give you 1000 credits. Highly doubtful that's just some made up BS, but you can't say for certain the glitch is not sign there's something more to it.
In one of your other post where you talk about knowing when a bonus is due, or whatever you were claiming. I'm very confident that if that's real and not just a frequent bonus that appears to come up within x number of spins, it's most likely exploitable but you just haven't figured out how to exploit it.
People always assume stuff about slots because there are general rules that are mostly true. However there are situations where the rules don't apply and there's more than meets the eye. Indiana Jones was a perfect example of that. If someone said you should play the machine that had the most action on it. You would have just discounted that as just a theory. Many others didn't realize this aspect at the beginning they would just run and grab the first open seats and wait.
Here's my speculations on why the glitch is moving from machine to machine, if in fact is. Someone else playing it has complained or said something. A slot tech moved the chips or something, perhaps thinking that would fix the problem. Either way the machine that had the problem was fix and the customer was happy so the slot tech assumed his job was done. He may have tested the other machine as well but the glitch did not appear in the test mode or whatever way he tested it. Perhaps the person plays different machines on this bank occasionally and keeps asking them to fix it the problem and they just keep doing the same thing and moving the chip to a different machine. The customer probably just tells them how the last slot tech solved the problem.
Is it possible they have the machines on a central server or something?
Touche, if there is some AP'able way of manipulating a freezing or stuttering machine, I certainly don't know about it.
Definitely, the cashout while the game is freezing mode will not work. I've done that in my hurry to leave a machine. At this casino (and curiously only at this casino in my experience) if the game has not finished the game and animation when you hit cash out, the game locks up and you have to get a slot attendant to give you a hand-pay, regardless of the amount. It happened four times the same day on different machines before I realized I needed to wait for the spin to conclude. It never happened to me again after that.
I have no knowledge about them using a central server or not although perhaps the locking of the machine when cashing out may be due to a central server issue..
I don't think they are moving the chips. I think it's some type of communication error on the entire bank sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't, you just keep running into it by chance.Quote: darkozTouche, if there is some AP'able way of manipulating a freezing or stuttering machine, I certainly don't know about it.
Definitely, the cashout while the game is freezing mode will not work. I've done that in my hurry to leave a machine. At this casino (and curiously only at this casino in my experience) if the game has not finished the game and animation when you hit cash out, the game locks up and you have to get a slot attendant to give you a hand-pay, regardless of the amount. It happened four times the same day on different machines before I realized I needed to wait for the spin to conclude. It never happened to me again after that.
I have no knowledge about them using a central server or not although perhaps the locking of the machine when cashing out may be due to a central server issue..
Quote: AxelWolf?????????????
I'm talking about moving the chip to a different machine of the same type, not moving the entire machine. it would be like fixing a broken bill validator or something.
In Vegas, that's moving an EPROM which is a really big deal and has to be reported to the state. Not happening frequently. While I don't know the rules outside of Nevada, I doubt they are much different.
You think every time they move a chip they report it? NOT. I have watched a few casinos move chips without reporting. I actually think they can report it after the fact within a certain amount of time with some simple email or letter.Quote: rsactuaryIn Vegas, that's moving an EPROM which is a really big deal and has to be reported to the state. Not happening frequently. While I don't know the rules outside of Nevada, I doubt they are much different.
A large amount of money was added to a progressive at a particular casino on a common type of machine.
According to the casino management, they swore the chip had never been changed, nor had the machine been moved or added.
It's obvious the chip was changed to something that made it significantly harder to hit, or the machine was possibly below the state min to begin with. It would make no sense to have a jackpot cycle take so long on this particular machine. Gaming was called, no record was found that it had been changed. Perhaps it was reported and they just won't give that information out.
It's all a mystery to this day.
I guess it's possible there's some other explanation and some facts got distorted.
Personally I think some ass covering was going on or the casino would possibly have to give out bunch of cash.
