Pando
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August 24th, 2010 at 3:42:20 AM permalink
I am just back from a few days in Singapore at Sands Marina Bay - a full review to follow.

Yesterday I was playing "Rapid Roulette" where there are about 100 electronic terminals linked to one roulette game with a real roulette wheel and live croupier. A large video screen shows the spin and other useful information between spins (percentage of reds, blacks, odds, evens, hot numbers, cool numbers etc)

The way I play I can usually cobble a modest profit, sometimes much better than that, but yesterday was dire. I lost S$200 in a short time, but had very few payouts. Something was not right.

I noted 35 consecutive spins where the winning number was not even in the same dozen.

I decide to watch the croupiers hands to see what she may be doing, and amazingly, every second spin, the wheel was spun in the opposite direction (and of course the ball was spun the other way too).

I am wondering, is this legal, is it ethical. I have never seen it before.

I immediately abandoned rapid roulette and headed downstairs to another roulette game where 8 players play around the wheel and I turned $200 into S$545 in about 90 minutes.

I would like to know if anyone has seen a wheel being spun in both directions in any other casino.
FleaStiff
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August 24th, 2010 at 4:49:12 AM permalink
Usualy the only variation for each spin is to switch in a different white ball: each shift has a small white ball and a somewhat larger one. Never heard of wheel direction being changed also.
DJTeddyBear
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August 24th, 2010 at 5:16:50 AM permalink
I seem to recall Croupier, a member who is a roulette dealer in England, say that they switch directions EVERY spin.
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August 24th, 2010 at 7:31:23 AM permalink
The direction of spin should make no difference at all, unless the wheel doesn't spin the same way clockwise and counterclockwise. Sometimes you just walk into an outlier. Once I was playing the don't and threw eleven three straight times on the come out roll. It happens.
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DJTeddyBear
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August 24th, 2010 at 9:08:25 AM permalink
Quote: Nareed

The direction of spin should make no difference at all...

Oh, it absolutely DOES matter - to someone tracking the way the dealer handles the ball and the ball's landing zone.

A dealer that gets into a rhythm of picking up the ball, giving the wheel a little push, and releasing the ball, and does it the same exact way every time, MIGHT be generating predictable results. I.E. Maybe the ball will usually land in a quadrant that is always the same number of positions away from the prior result.

Do I believe it? Only as much as I believe in crontrolled dice shooters -- not much.

But there are people that put a lot of faith into it.

Introduce changing directions, and you're adding a whole 'nother level of randomness. And if the casinos are requiring it, then you know that the casinos believe that people can be successfull at tracking a dealer's actions.
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Nareed
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August 24th, 2010 at 9:43:08 AM permalink
I want to write a long, detailed post with all I know and suspect about roulette control and dice setting. Maybe when I'm not at work.
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Pando
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August 24th, 2010 at 6:41:48 PM permalink
The whole point for me was that as the large video screen showed the croupier spinning the wheel and ball quite clearly. I was trying to spot a pattern, or a method that may give me an advantage.

If playing at a conventional wheel it is not easy to see the wheel or croupiers hand. So I thought the close up view on the screen may be useful, as you say, if only to spot some consistency or rhythm.

I have played a lot of roulette and to have 35 consecutive spins without landing in the same dozen is quite unusual.
Not impossible of course, but unusual. I will go back through the records and see if there were any neighbors coming up, from memory I did not spot it as as pattern.

Unfortunately I could not stay long enough to see if the other croupiers did the same two way spinning which would indicate a company policy on the matter.
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August 24th, 2010 at 10:10:59 PM permalink
Hmmm - Singapore isn't in the Southern Hemisphere, so that's not the explanation . . .
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