Is the forum dying?
Yeah, I understand that we are undergoing some changes. I get that. However, it sure seems the forum is dying a slow and painful death. So it isn't so.
When I visit, not much has changed since the previous day. Apparently people aren't posting much anymore. Or am I wrong?
I hope everybody comes back, and we can return to the good ole days.
Quote:Is the forum dying?
Just a raspy cough.
Some more may stay if the speed improves. Design wise, some may have given up, I don't know.
Hopefully, they fix it...
Go back to the old layout please
Quote: vendman1Yeah I have some of the same thoughts...it runs really slow for me. Frankly the new design makes the forum section much harder to navigate. At least to me it does. I hope it doesn't fizzle out. But it seems like it might be.
It is hard to navigate and hard see to and
read. It's like they traded a Cadillac forum
for a beat up Edsel version. I frankly don't
get it, I don't see a single feature that's
an improvement over the old forum. If
the intent was to drive people away, it's
working wonderfully.
Quote: RonCThe forum is slow beyond belief; it just takes too long to do much any more.
Hopefully, they fix it...
This
Quote: PandoI personally hate the new layout.
Go back to the old layout please
This as well
I felt it used to be like a club where we all gave replies for the general help of mankind and the advancement of gambling knowledge, But now the forum has introduced customised advertising - which personally I detest due, the feeling it is spying on you.
There was always the risk that when it became a commercial enterprise, rather than a labour of love, some people might feel differently. It would be a shame - but as you say sometimes things move on.
I have recently frequented a pub (=public house = bar) and it was taken over a few weeks ago; hopefully the new owners will leave it as it is, selling good (real ale) beer at relatively cheap prices.
I am very interested in comparing comps with other people to make sure I get my fair share. Those kinds of discussions (with people who know more than me) are few and far between. I'm not trying to brag, just that I have gone from a net taker to a net giver... it's just not as fun of a role and I tend to be less active because of it.
Also... my goals have changed. I still gamble regularly, but more of my money is going to airlines and I'm spending more time on Flyertalk.
A lot of everyday gamblers just want to talk to others, including the high rollers, without all the condescending hype. The johno's have their issues from time to time, especially when treated shabbily, but they sure make a gambling forum. The first ones to personally aggress the system sellers and other scammers at their source. (No silly glorified challenges to advance themselves.)
Not standing around while evil prevails is a lot more invigorating and rewarding than all of the vain politics and secrecy of the lazy philosophy of losing less, or going way out to avoid losing all together. Scam sites aren't going anywhere as long as people pay to be scammed. And there remain a few devoted real posters who - on their own time - continue to speak up.
The job isn't done until also the dream which the scammers sell is dead. The dream of pitting your thousand against the hundreds of billions of the casino industry.
It's easy to falsely vilify and force away otherwise good people - even suspend them for doing what was done to them - but "the chickens (always) come home to roost". Sometimes, sooner than later.
AND it does seem to be running much faster today. So good for that.
I sortof think people get busy in the summer time, and there is a natural slow-down in activity, that will rebound in September.
Quote: joshua.chanThe migration to the much faster server is now complete, and it does feel pretty snappy now... even the recent threads, please let us know if any pages are feeling slow still.
Speed is excellent now. Well done, sir.
Quote: joshua.chanThe migration to the much faster server is now complete, and it does feel pretty snappy now... even the recent threads, please let us know if any pages are feeling slow still.
Good to hear Joshua, thanks for bumping it up!
But I am curious as to how long this will keep things speedy. It probably will for awhile, but I wonder if the "Recent Threads" programming will eventually catch up to the faster server. Hopefully not for a long while.
on 'recent threads'.
old one was better. The main difference is the ad is on the side visible all the time.Quote: tringlomaneGood to hear Joshua, thanks for bumping it up!
But I am curious as to how long this will keep things speedy. It probably will for awhile, but I wonder if the "Recent Threads" programming will eventually catch up to the faster server. Hopefully not for a long while.
Please high light the one already read so I dont re-read it all the time.
Quote: DoubleOrNothingSame as every other gambling forum. A few people monopolize power, don't allow full and free expression (in a civil manner), and support the few "supportive" self-styled experts. Facebook and other social media is the trend now because it's not so put-on or contrived.
A lot of everyday gamblers just want to talk to others, including the high rollers, without all the condescending hype. The johno's have their issues from time to time, especially when treated shabbily, but they sure make a gambling forum. The first ones to personally aggress the system sellers and other scammers at their source. (No silly glorified challenges to advance themselves.)
Not standing around while evil prevails is a lot more invigorating and rewarding than all of the vain politics and secrecy of the lazy philosophy of losing less, or going way out to avoid losing all together. Scam sites aren't going anywhere as long as people pay to be scammed. And there remain a few devoted real posters who - on their own time - continue to speak up.
The job isn't done until also the dream which the scammers sell is dead. The dream of pitting your thousand against the hundreds of billions of the casino industry.
It's easy to falsely vilify and force away otherwise good people - even suspend them for doing what was done to them - but "the chickens (always) come home to roost". Sometimes, sooner than later.
That's one of the longest posts of nothing I've ever seen. Maybe you understand your hints and innuendos, but I don't and I've been active here for 6 years. It made the whole read painful.
How about just posting what you are really trying to say?
ZCore13
It was painful until now. It's loading much faster now. Had it stayed as slow as it was I'd have given up. But it seems to be much faster now.
Being in a codeine filled cough syrup haze for a few days I thought it might just be me.
Quote: EvenBobIt is hard to navigate and hard see to and
read. It's like they traded a Cadillac forum
for a beat up Edsel version. I frankly don't
get it, I don't see a single feature that's
an improvement over the old forum. If
the intent was to drive people away, it's
working wonderfully.
I have to agree. Slow, hard to read & navigate.
After reading a post I'll click on "forum" and sometimes it takes a minute or more to open.
Edit: one minute or more is an exaggeration, it's probably closer to 30 seconds. But that's too long too!
Quote: DoubleOrNothingSame as every other gambling forum. A few people monopolize power, don't allow full and free expression (in a civil manner), and support the few "supportive" self-styled experts. Facebook and other social media is the trend now because it's not so put-on or contrived.
A lot of everyday gamblers just want to talk to others, including the high rollers, without all the condescending hype. The johno's have their issues from time to time, especially when treated shabbily, but they sure make a gambling forum. The first ones to personally aggress the system sellers and other scammers at their source. (No silly glorified challenges to advance themselves.)
Not standing around while evil prevails is a lot more invigorating and rewarding than all of the vain politics and secrecy of the lazy philosophy of losing less, or going way out to avoid losing all together. Scam sites aren't going anywhere as long as people pay to be scammed. And there remain a few devoted real posters who - on their own time - continue to speak up.
The job isn't done until also the dream which the scammers sell is dead. The dream of pitting your thousand against the hundreds of billions of the casino industry.
It's easy to falsely vilify and force away otherwise good people - even suspend them for doing what was done to them - but "the chickens (always) come home to roost". Sometimes, sooner than later.
Ummm...what?
You seem to have an issue with the moderation in here, and I'm willing to listen and respond to constructive criticism if it's directed at me, but I don't have the first idea what you're saying.
The new format isn't really that different from the old one as far as how much information is on the front page, but it doesn't appear as interesting. I don't know enough about that stuff to say why, but it is really uninviting. Even as a long time member, I'm turned off by it. There's nothing there that makes me want to drill down beyond the first page.
If it seems that way to me, then it probably seems that way to others as well. Maybe it should be looked into.
Quote: MoscaI dunno, it's not as much fun as it used to be. Maybe it's me.
The new format isn't really that different from the old one as far as how much information is on the front page, but it doesn't appear as interesting. I don't know enough about that stuff to say why, but it is really uninviting. Even as a long time member, I'm turned off by it. There's nothing there that makes me want to drill down beyond the first page.
If it seems that way to me, then it probably seems that way to others as well. Maybe it should be looked into.
I agree. I'm still here, but the site has lost some of it's originality, innocence and features. To the user, nothing was gained by the changes, no features were added, load times have been horrible (since fixed), top features people have asked for have not been addressed and the color scheme is pretty uninviting. As I type this reply I see about 90% white. White everywhere. What original post background, white background where I am replying, white on the left, white on the right under the casino ads and most active threads (which I have no idea how those are determined). It's like my eyes are being bombarded with bright light.
ZCore13
'To the user, nothing was gained by the changes, no features were added,.., top features people have asked for have not been addressed and the color scheme is pretty uninviting...'
'I find now I check the site every other day or so.before I would check it 3-4 times a day...'
Three posts in a row that nailed it. Everything
about this site is now uninviting. Nothing makes
you want to linger here, it makes you want to
run away. Nothing makes you want to check
on forum topics, let alone click on an ad.
http://diversitytomorrow.com/
The first thing that occurs to me, is you see much more of the layout of the different sections. Least that's the way it appears to me, which I prefer.
When I come here, even when I click on forum, I only get a few top threads and no sense of organization on where everything else is.
Just labels at the top is not the same as seeing boxes with stuff in them.
And if I'm not mistaken when you did editing of posts nefote you could enlarge them and make it easier to put the cursor where you wanted to (I use an iPhone so maybe this issues only specific to Smart phones).
Things look bigger now on this website where as before they were smaller and you could see more things easily; now you have to do a lot more scrolling to see everything that's available to you.
None of the things that I dislike outweigh the pleasure that I get from this site, but all in all I think I enjoyed the old format better and I don't see any improvement in the new one,
Can we even edit the thread title if we make a mistake? I don't think so; that's an improvement that a lot of people suggested but I don't think it's happened. Also, if I'm not mistaken, if you make a thread title that is longer than the amount of space available you can do so but then you can't see the whole thread title you've written to make sure it's right. (So I'll cancel and start over if I have any doubt.)
I have an iPhone 4 S and sometimes my backspace will lock up and there's nothing I can do to unlock it and I have to turn off my phone and turn it on sometimes twice and most of the time I've lost everything that I've written. So often times I'll just post half of what I want to say, save it, and continue writing so that I don't lose what I've already written. This never happens when I email or make notes it only happens when I'm backspacing on this website so I don't know why I'm the only one who has this problem and I certainly don't know why it only happens on this website. I ask about this question in the help section about a year ago and no one else seems to have this issue so maybe it's just me.
Quote: Zcore13How about just posting what you are really trying to say?
I blocked your posts and it still showed up.
It would be totally awesome if I could also prevent from having to see content of blocked posters when they are quoted too. That was the biggest issue I had with the site from before: reading content of people that I do not want to read.
There are ALWAYS technical difficulties migrating to an improved site. Seeing one of your hateful messages has a more negative effect on my life than the problems I reported to the Wizard yesterday from my view.
What I did, instead of complain, was to send a message directly to Michael to help him diagnose the problems.
Quote: email to wizardHere's a snapshot of the error I received after a multi-minute delay.
All of the rest of the internet is fine for me.
I have no idea if this is a clue or if anyone else is affected, but something is wrong between me and WOV site.
Quote: Zcore13I agree. I'm still here, but the site has lost some of it's originality, innocence and features. To the user, nothing was gained by the changes, no features were added, load times have been horrible (since fixed), top features people have asked for have not been addressed and the color scheme is pretty uninviting. As I type this reply I see about 90% white. White everywhere. What original post background, white background where I am replying, white on the left, white on the right under the casino ads and most active threads (which I have no idea how those are determined). It's like my eyes are being bombarded with bright light.
ZCore13
Yeah seeing posts like this are my biggest complaint with the new site.
FIX IT!
Quote: petezeke97Deleted by mod
It's a forum about gambling. It's the best forum about gambling on the entire internet according to google search results IMO.
The WORST part about this forum is (hateful) posts like the one that you made, just to reiterate a second or third time what my problem is with the site.
I get enough of this sort of childish bickering from my teenage children.
*meh*
Quote: petezeke97
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posts like this where you talk about "poop" and "butts" is why no one takes you seriously as a troll
As to the OP, I have noticed fewer posts by some of the "big names" lately. GreasyJohn hadn't been heard from in a long time, but now he's back. (Glad to see you back here, GJ -- wishes and prayers for continued good & improving health!)
I also haven't seen much from Mission146, but then I glanced at the "Articles" section here. It seems that Mission has been working his proverbial butt off lately, writing 2-3 articles a week; and with some darn good content, to boot. I rarely looked at the Articles section because, for the longest time, there was no new content, but it has exploded as of late. There's lots of good bonus analysis, and a 17-part (and counting, evidently) series on Advantage Play.
I have been a little put-off lately by the shenanigans over the past few months. I know we have lost at least one good member because of this, and might have lost some potential members in the ensuing fallout. But what can you do? The mods try their best to resolve issues promptly, but you can't keep out all the trolls all the time. I think the best I can do is not feed them and flag their posts when they surface.
Overall, I think this is still the best gambling forum out there. Occasional questions I pose get answered to my satisfaction, and in return, I try to contribute what I can. There is still lots of good content, and even though there might be less traffic, there are some good ongoing discussions here and there.
Quote: AhighI blocked your posts and it still showed up.
You'll be ok. Life will still go on for you. Even after you read this one you're still going to be ok. I promise.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13You'll be ok. Life will still go on for you. Even after you read this one you're still going to be ok. I promise.
fix it
Quote: Ahighfix it
I'm sure they are working on it. Have a good day today.
ZCore13
Quote: Ahighfix it
Quote: ajemeister
Hacked security cams within a "gaming lab"...
One suggestion made previously that I really like. Why not give the older members a option to go back to the old layout? I've seen a lot of sites do that in the past. It seems more people hate the new design than enjoy it.
I don't think the layout change is really a big deal. If there are interesting posters participating, traffic will be high as long as the site is usable.
It may be my imagination but it seems like a lower level of participation by Michael Shackleford may also be a factor. I initially came here from Wizard of Odds, as I am sure many others did. Having posts from Wizard explaining stuff on a regular basis was a big draw of the site, and I see a lot fewer of those now.
Finally, it seems like the overall number of interesting posts has slowly been dropping since the pushing of non-gambling topics off the site to DT. I used to enjoy posts on many topics from pacomartin but don't bother to check out DT that often in order to find them. A stricter focus on gambling means more and more dice control discussion. At this point every bit of current info and opinion on dice control has been discussed a hundred times by now. I get it, some people are obsessed with the possibility, but for the rest of us the topic is played out.
Quote: JoemanIt looks like the forum is up to speed, literally, today. It was crawling yesterday.
As to the OP, I have noticed fewer posts by some of the "big names" lately. GreasyJohn hadn't been heard from in a long time, but now he's back. (Glad to see you back here, GJ -- wishes and prayers for continued good & improving health!)
I also haven't seen much from Mission146, but then I glanced at the "Articles" section here. It seems that Mission has been working his proverbial butt off lately, writing 2-3 articles a week; and with some darn good content, to boot. I rarely looked at the Articles section because, for the longest time, there was no new content, but it has exploded as of late. There's lots of good bonus analysis, and a 17-part (and counting, evidently) series on Advantage Play.
I have been a little put-off lately by the shenanigans over the past few months. I know we have lost at least one good member because of this, and might have lost some potential members in the ensuing fallout. But what can you do? The mods try their best to resolve issues promptly, but you can't keep out all the trolls all the time. I think the best I can do is not feed them and flag their posts when they surface.
Overall, I think this is still the best gambling forum out there. Occasional questions I pose get answered to my satisfaction, and in return, I try to contribute what I can. There is still lots of good content, and even though there might be less traffic, there are some good ongoing discussions here and there.
Hey Joe,
Thanks for thinking of me and thanks for a great positive post. I like this forum and hope it prospers and hope to see many more good posts like yours.
The search doesn't work on my desktop (might be due to some of the adblocking/anti-tracking/anti-scripting mods I have installed), and neither on my phone (which is stock).
I'm not as bothered by the advertising, but the broken functionality, particularly of such a core feature, is a bit of a deal breaker.
Quote: GreasyjohnHey Joe,
Thanks for thinking of me and thanks for a great positive post. I like this forum and hope it prospers and hope to see many more good posts like yours.
I like it too, if I didn't I wouldn't have commented.
Folks here can get pretty grouchy; has anyone noticed? That doesn't help much. Sometimes it's hard to see the light through all the smoke. I got no advice for anyone, just sayin'.
Quote: Zcore13You'll be ok. Life will still go on for you. Even after you read this one you're still going to be ok. I promise.
ZCore13
Ahigh is upset, made my day. LOL
