Roulette System

I Dont believe the roulette wheel can be beat in the long run. What i am proposing here, is that the house wins only in a few variations and you win in every other.

American Roulette. I was at the casino the other day The table was a $5 min bid. Max $4000 on the red or black bid. pay out of 1-1

I dont have to much experience with the game, but was wondering if anyone has ever tried this.

Using the system, where if you loose you double your bid, i have found enables you to win, but soon enough the house catches up with you and you loose everything.

What i propose is to use this system, but at the same time change what you are playing.
It is possible for red or black to come up 8 times or more consecutive. Just because red comes up multiple times in a row, does not mean black is bound to pop up. Its a misconception


Here it is
Start you bid at $5 lose $10 lose $20 Lose $40 as you can see if you loose you double you bid. System has been since the game was invented. Say your playing red in this scenario, Well on you fourth loss you switch to black Lose $80 lose $160 lose $320 lose $640.

With this being said. any possible outcome of the wheel you win.

Except if the wheel hits red or 0,00 four consecutive time when playing black, then hits black or 0,00 four consecutive times while play red.

Here the max bid was 4k

So if i lose at 640 go 1280 red, 2560, then why not have a buddy there willing to put down 2560 with you making 5120.

So playing red or black the wheel has to come up R,R,R,R,B,B,B,B,R,R,R any could just the same be 0 or 00. The whole time this sequence comes out your playing the opposite. and loose 11 times in a row.

Think youll end up ahead. You guys decide.

The question is do you think on a small $5 gained on each win, will put you ahead of the house in the long run. Take into consideration the amount of money your risking, and one loss of sequence is a loose. Only if you win the min bid as many times to be in the profit despite your losing to the house?

Hello time2gooutnow1,

Checkout the Wizard's site

This the same Martingale system. Just because you are switching your bet from red to black doesn't change that.

Yes, you will win most every time, until the one time that you don't and you will get wiped out completely, including all your prior "wins".

And to answer your question....NO. It won't put you ever put you ahead in the long run. Eventually you will either hit the table max, run out friends to put up $4k bets for you, or you will all run out of money. You will end up betting $16k to try to win $5. Not a good strategy at all.

Ya, I read that article briefly earlier tonight. The point im making in this system is you win in any variation except of the opp color or 0,00 comes up four times consecutive, followed by after you switch your color, the opposite or 0,00 comes up four times consecutive, followed by after you switch again the opposite or 0,00 comes up three times consecutive when you switch the second time.

if red comes up five times in a row you win
if they alternate rbrb you win
if they come up in pairs you win
if they come up on trips you win
The only way you lose if red comes up in quads when you playing black
then black comes up in quads when your playing red
then red comes up in trips when your playing black.
of course the 0,00 could be thrown in at any time.


But yeah thats what i mean from above. The only way the house can beat you is by having the wheel come up in that scenario. at which time your caught at the start of it.

Quote: time2gooutnow1

Ya, I read that article briefly earlier tonight. The point im making in this system is you win in any variation except of the opp color or 0,00 comes up four times consecutive, followed by after you switch your color, the opposite or 0,00 comes up four times consecutive, followed by after you switch again the opposite or 0,00 comes up three times consecutive when you switch the second time.

if red comes up five times in a row you win
if they alternate rbrb you win
if they come up in pairs you win
if they come up on trips you win
The only way you lose if red comes up in quads when you playing black
then black comes up in quads when your playing red
then red comes up in trips when your playing black.
of course the 0,00 could be thrown in at any time.


But yeah thats what i mean from above. The only way the house can beat you is by having the wheel come up in that scenario. at which time your caught at the start of it.

It's nice that you are seeing patterns in the fact that the ball lands on different colors, but the ball doesn't know what color it's landing on. It simply lands on the color you didn't choose 20 out of every 38 times on average. You would do just as well staying on red, or flipping a coin to determine your next color bet. The ball doesn't remember that there were 4 reds in a row or not. I don't advocate a Martingale, but it can win you a little in the short term. Just don't think there's some color pattern you can play that will make it work "better".

Quote: time2gooutnow1

Ya, I read that article briefly earlier tonight. The point im making in this system is you win in any variation except of the opp color or 0,00 comes up four times consecutive, followed by after you switch your color, the opposite or 0,00 comes up four times consecutive, followed by after you switch again the opposite or 0,00 comes up three times consecutive when you switch the second time.

if red comes up five times in a row you win
if they alternate rbrb you win
if they come up in pairs you win
if they come up on trips you win
The only way you lose if red comes up in quads when you playing black
then black comes up in quads when your playing red
then red comes up in trips when your playing black.
of course the 0,00 could be thrown in at any time.


But yeah thats what i mean from above. The only way the house can beat you is by having the wheel come up in that scenario. at which time your caught at the start of it.

These patterns are absoulutely meaningless. Are the odds very low that the exact combination necessary to lose happens? Yes, but when they do happen, you are really screwed. It reverse long-shot betting. Like all betting systems,you have small wins 95+% of the time, until you don't...

Quote: time2gooutnow1

Ya, I read that article briefly earlier tonight. The point im making in this system is you win in any variation except of the opp color or 0,00 comes up four times consecutive, followed by after you switch your color, the opposite or 0,00 comes up four times consecutive, followed by after you switch again the opposite or 0,00 comes up three times consecutive when you switch the second time.

We all understand that you are trying to find a way to beat the system. But no matter what the same edge is there on each and every bet. You might as well say your "system" is the following:

1. Bet $5 on red
2. Double until you are betting $80
3. When it comes time to bet $160, bet on a different wheel in the same house since the first wheel is against you
4. When it comes time to bet $1,280, leave Binions and walk down to the Four Queens since the house is against you
5. After four more losses, go up to the Wynn since the wheels there handle heavy action better

And keep on with the same statements until you win $5.

I didn't write that this way to be a smart-@$$, it is to illistrate what everyone else here is trying to say. On Roulette it does not matter. In most games it does not matter. To my knowlege, the only two games in the casino where you have changing odds are Bloackjack-*if* you can count cards; and craps-*if* you believe in dice control.

Quote: AZDuffman

To my knowlege, the only two games in the casino where you have changing odds ...

Here are some other wagering opportunities where the odds can change ... whether this makes them exploitable or not is something you can figure out ...

The odds change in Baccarat as the shoe is dealt out.
The odds change for many blackjack side bets, e.g. Lucky Ladies, Lucky Lucky ...
The odds change in blackjack variants, such as Spanish 21.
The odds change for the Wheel of Fortune, depending on the spinner (yes, some are beatable).
The odds change for sporting events in real time before the event occurs.

I really like your explanation of the futility of "betting systems," Mr. Duffman.

--Dorothy

Quote: DorothyGale

Here are some other wagering opportunities where the odds can change ... whether this makes them exploitable or not is something you can figure out ...

The odds change in Baccarat as the shoe is dealt out.
The odds change for many blackjack side bets, e.g. Lucky Ladies, Lucky Lucky ...
The odds change in blackjack variants, such as Spanish 21.
The odds change for the Wheel of Fortune, depending on the spinner (yes, some are beatable).
The odds change for sporting events in real time before the event occurs.

I really like your explanation of the futility of "betting systems," Mr. Duffman.

--Dorothy

In "Gamblingh Wizards" there is one female interviewed, I forget her name. She was a dealer and when she was on the Big Six she says she "tried" to make it land on $20 (20:1) since she hated working that game so much. We can sit here and deebate if it is possible to wheel-control, but she controlled it enough that she was movede off the game.

Now, if you were to collude with someone this would have to be the way to do it. For a casino to prove this would be impossible, unless they could connect you to revceiving money from your partner.

Glad you liked my explanation of the futility of systems. Systems are fun to duscuss as long as you take them as fun play and not a way to win.

Quote: AZDuffman

In "Gambling Wizards" there is one female interviewed, I forget her name. She was a dealer and when she was on the Big Six she says she "tried" to make it land on $20 (20:1) since she hated working that game so much.

It doesn't necessarily require a dealer trying. It requires a new "flapper" (stops the wheel quickly), tight bearings, a physically weak dealer, and a single spin (as opposed to some places that give a kick spin followed by the real spin).

The wager you make is the 45:1 wager (typically these wheels have 54 spots), and that's the only one. Sometimes this pays 40:1, but that's still great if the conditions are good.

This IS something you can watch for in every casino you visit.

Though collusion may be possible if the other conditions are right, I wouldn't want to touch such a situation personally.

--Dorothy

I understand exactly where your coming from. The only reason i thought of betting in that manner is because then the house only wins in certain scenarios. But then again if i were to stay on one color the whole time, I guess the chances of me winning would in fact be the same. That system which as proved to bust in the long run, therefore, means mine would as well.

I do however agree with Dorothy with the wheel. That is a game where you can win some money. Playing the odds. The 40:1 payout comes out fairly often sometimes.

But anyways, does anyone know what the bid ranges are for high stakes roulette wheels. Ive only seen them go up to 5k max, then again im new to the game.