Chris Christie and Revel tax breaks

Quote: JB

Not to worry, there are likely to still be several dice influencing, political, and police brutality threads to keep us all entertained.

I've been waiting months for the first Republican to say a word in rebuke about Chris Christy wasting millions of taxpayer money on backing the Revel. Yet they are all quick to mention Solyndra. I'd like to see a thread about that.

Quote: Wizard

I've been waiting months for the first Republican to say a word in rebuke about Chris Christy wasting millions of taxpayer money on backing the Revel. Yet they are all quick to mention Solyndra. I'd like to see a thread about that.

no worries - everything under control?
I assume this guy will be empowered as Gambling Czar, change AC's lousy uncompetitive BJ rules, et al?

'Christie may appoint emergency manager in Atlantic City, officials say

TRENTON — Atlantic City is poised to have a powerful emergency manager brought in by the state to oversee city government, officials said.'

The emergency manager position was one recommendation of an advisory commission formed by Gov. Chris Christie. The governor is scheduled to hold a third summit in the struggling city on Thursday in an effort pull it from economic hardship.
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/01/christie_may_appoint_emergency_manager_in_atlantic.html

Quote: 7star4now

Ok, so you guys know how much I detest censorship, but in this case, should "The wizard" be suspended for infiltrating our board with inflammatory off topic remarks?

I said that as a suggestion for a topic idea, as opposed to suggest you guys discuss that in this thread.

Since you phrase your post as a question, I assume it isn't an official complaint of hijacking. Yet, if I get a single complaint, whether public or private, that I have violated my own rule against thread hijacking, I will suspend myself for three days.

Either way, I apologize for even the appearance of hijacking and request forgiveness of the board.

Quote: Wizard

I said that as a suggestion for a topic idea, as opposed to suggest you guys discuss that in this thread.

Since you phrase your post as a question, I assume it isn't an official complaint of hijacking. Yet, if I get a single complaint, whether public or private, that I have violated my own rule against thread hijacking, I will suspend myself for three days.

Either way, I apologize for even the appearance of hijacking and request forgiveness of the board.

That is so cool!

InTheKnow Bob- you are still here & The Wizard is suspended.

Only in America!

Although I protest the wizard's suspension of himself- on the grounds that The Wizard denied himself of free speech!

He'll get over that?

Quote: Wizard

I've been waiting months for the first Republican to say a word in rebuke about Chris Christy wasting millions of taxpayer money on backing the Revel.

It is a moot question. The "millions" were supposed to have been a variety of tax breaks over quite a number of years.

"Revel tax break’s a loser for N.J. if other casinos close
February 10th, 2011 | by Deborah Howlett | Published in Editorials & Op-Eds
Press of Atlantic City

[Quote removed by management]

--new jersey policy perspective

Quote: SanchoPanza

It is a moot question. The "millions" were supposed to have been a variety of tax breaks over quite a number of years.

First, I removed the very lengthy quote in your above post. Quotations are supposed to be in moderation, and that was not moderate. Moderation means a sentence or two.

Second, point taken. Nevertheless, I will support any candidate that doesn't play favoritism in the private sector by giving selective tax breaks. It should be a level playing field, letting the strong survive and the weak perish. This kind of social Darwinism I thought was a philosophy the GOP supported.

I don't think most active Republicans regard Chris Christie as part of the Republican Party. I think he's widely regarded as the head of the Chris Christie Party. A point of view which will probably be made more sharply beginning in about six months, when he competes with others in places that are not named New Jersey.

I'm sure it will come up more as the election trail gets more serious. But there are many things that make Christie a large target for both strict fiscal conservatives and social conservatives.

Everything from trampling the human rights of gun owners, bending over to illegal immigrants, and cracking down on unions (yes this is conservative, but it annoys just enough people without satisfying for strong fiscal constancy).

And, having an addiction to federal handouts and pork barrel spending. "Christie is the king of bacon" -Rand Paul.

And, the fact that he is just a rude jerk allows ample hits against him.

I think Christie is trying not to be a "large target" or be addicted to "pork barrel" or allow "ample hits" and its called Lap-Band surgery.

Quote: zoobrew

I think Christie is trying not to be a "large target" or be addicted to "pork barrel" or allow "ample hits" and its called Lap-Band surgery.

Maybe I'm an optimist. But I just can't take Christie seriously, as a politician. He seems like a seriously flawed human being. Also he's a cowboys fan from NJ. So something is really wrong with him. :)

I know people do some weird things to themselves, piercing a tongue for example, but suspending yourself for three days? It seems too much even for harden souls who visit this site. On Christie, I don't see anybody else who stands even close. The man speaks English, with all due respect Bush could not talk. Secondly, he is from NJ, and you have to act and think fast, can't bear southern vacationers and thirdly, he is smart, he is a self made, no wealthy daddy, no silver spoon at the time of birth.

New Jersey is corrupt as a whole. There was so much corruption forever in the state of NJ, a few years ago the State Police was commanded to put together an elite team of 20 year plus detectives that only went after Police Officers of Sergeant and above, Politicians and other Public Officials. I have some information about this and it is sickening. An immediate family member was one of the highest ranking detectives in the state. He tried to retire when he had his 20 in about 8 years ago. They would not accept his resignation and convinced him to head up that new special unit for corruption. Last year he finally retired and it is a sad state of affairs.

Go back to the mayor of Camden, New Jersey with the ABSACM deal and the FBI back when AC was first starting. We are doing AC for the people and to put them and my constituents to work, it's good for the community. Puke on that one. Enough said. All NJ does is shift money around to whomever pays the other off the greatest amount.

Another thing many seem to forget about, when that numb nut became Colonel of the NJSP in a class of one, that mutt (which would be an insult to mixed breed dogs) from Newark and then the investigation and all that followed. LOL, he couldn't even wear the uniform or have a badge, nice move-whom paid off whom in that one? You know what I am talking about, the Bodega fiasco up and down Bloomfield Avenue. It pisses me off to even think about it. If you are the mob--darn it be the mob, if you are a politician or a police officer, be that. Everybody turns each other in trying to save their own butt, I can't imagine for the life of me why no one in New Jersey every figured this out.

(Disclosure and probably not far from the truth, and of course IMO): You really want to know where almost all the high ranking moves are configured in the state of New Jersey? On Bloomfield Avenue and the diners along Route 3 and 46. Not Trenton.

I would assume that most of the current employees of Atlantic City are ex-cons, with limited education that were given jobs (that pay three times national average) by the bafoons that ran this City for years. The attitude is "I needs to get mine". Every man for himself. Now we're being taken over by the State or as locals call it "the man". It's apartheid!

Quote: Wizard

I've been waiting months for the first Republican to say a word in rebuke about Chris Christy wasting millions of taxpayer money on backing the Revel. Yet they are all quick to mention Solyndra. I'd like to see a thread about that.

Not yet seen in NJ-a single bumper sticker stating "Don't blame me I voted for Corzine".

Some of you people from the west have NO idea how corrupt, incompetent, slimy, putrid and arrogant the NJDP which brought the state the highest property taxes in the US really is.

As a card carrying Republican (not literally, both states I have been a resident of don't require party registration) I like Christie as a person and I like listening him speak. His tirades have been labeled as conservative porn by Anne Coulter for a reason. However, there are too many unanswered questions and I don't think he could effectively talk his way out of the bridge fiasco as well as AC if it came down to it. He would never make it through a primary, we have better options on the table.

I believe the liberals fear Christie as someone those in the middle could vote for over a Dem. Why else do you think MSNBC spends so much time trying to discredit him? It's like they are obsessed with him, spending entire segments on him weekly.

Quote: Boz

I believe the liberals fear Christie as someone those in the middle could vote for over a Dem. Why else do you think MSNBC spends so much time trying to discredit him? It's like they are obsessed with him, spending entire segments on him weekly.

That's probably because Christie IS someone moderates could vote for over a Dem, unlike nearly all the other Rep choices.

Quote: beachbumbabs

That's probably because Christie IS someone moderates could vote for over a Dem, unlike nearly all the other Rep choices.

I agree 100%, which is why I want him to run. Not only because he is moderate, but because most Americans are moderate in their beliefs. The far left and right just dont get average Americans. Most people want to work hard, be left alone to make choices on things that are legal and do believe there are many that cheat the system and dont want to financially support them. That goes for the rich, who get help they dont need, and the poor, who make choices that keep them that way.

It's just the left has found a way to make people feel like they are wrong or "meanspirited" if they speak out against those who dont try hard enough to make ends meet. And we have a President now who is always trying to play people against one another.

Pavarotti was fat, did not stop'em to become the best tenor in the world. There are should be a lot of a good man.

Quote: beachbumbabs

That's probably because Christie IS someone moderates could vote for over a Dem, unlike nearly all the other Rep choices.

So you feel you have a pretty good handle on what "moderates" are apt to vote for? Really Barbara? Really kiddo?!?!

I think Christie will show up reasonably well in polling within a field of 15 or 20. Soon after it gets down to two or three, and among those who are most likely to vote and to know why they want to, not much at all. "So Guv, why are you running? Obviously we know something you'd like to BE, but what is it other than yourself that you particularly believe in and want to DO exactly?"

Quote: DrawingDead

So you feel you have a pretty good handle on what "moderates" are apt to vote for? Really Barbara? Really kiddo?!?!

I think Christie will show up reasonably well in polling within a field of 15 or 20. After it gets down to two or three, not much at all. "So Guv, why are you running? What is it that you believe in?"

Really, DD, I do think Christie is a viable choice for moderates. Whether they're "apt" to choose him against any other given opponent remains to be seen, whether in the primaries or in the general election.

As Candidate for Governor Christie promised a union hall full of cops and firemen that "pensions were a sacred oath" that he would never violate - Once elected he reduced retiree pensions, increased the years of service necessary for retirement and increased the rate of contribution by over 17%.

As Candidate for Re-election he said his greatest achievement was when he provided “real, long-term fiscal stability for future generations of New Jerseyans.” - Once re-elected he declared near bankruptcy and blamed it on the same pension system he spent 4 years "saving".

As Candidate for President he said it was either bankruptcy and nothing for retirees or higher contributions for less benefits. NJ (like all States) is a Constitutional Sovereign and exempt from Bankruptcy Laws.

This man is caught lying within the lies he lied about. He has a history of deception fraud, self-dealing, nepotism and vindictiveness. He has surrounded himself with self-dealing, derelict and devious perjurers.

Christie claimed that a mid level manager submerged trains and deviated from the NJT Action plan without telling senior management – E-Mails to his appointee James Weinstein exposed him as a liar. Christie was lying to protect an incompetent person, when caught he doubled down on the lie and said the mid level employee could not be fired because of Civil Service rules. NJ Transit is not covered by Civil Service in any way.

In fact the only appointee Christie has ever labeled incompetent was Brett Schundler. When the State of NJ lost 400 million dollars in Federal Education grants (because of Christie’s vindictiveness), the liar accused Obama and Rahm Emanuel of short changing NJ. When Emanuel produced videotape debunking Christie’s lie, he called his own Education Commissioner Brett Schundler incompetent. Schundler produced e-mails establishing without question the fact that NJ lost that 400 million dollars based in Christie’s anti-teacher vendetta.

When he started his assault on public employees he lied about Assemblywoman Sheila Oliver, claiming she never bothered to talk to him about his purported “toolkit” to help local government take pay and benefits away from workers. Ms. Oliver produced phone records and e-mails proving she made repeated attempts to meet with him on the issue.

Christie claimed that he was in constant contact with Acting Governor Sweeney while he was vacationing during our State of Emergency. Sweeney produced phone records showing that he didn’t hear from Christie until 3 days after the emergency was declared.

When asked how he and the Lieutenant Governor were both out of State at the same time he claimed that Lt Governor Guadagno’s father had a medical emergency, as it turns out she scheduled her vacation in November with Christie’s approval

Christie claimed that the Fort Lee lane closures were part of a legitimate traffic study…time for some truth serum in Drumthwacket.

His dishonesty is disturbing enough - the fact that he runs around branding people who tell truth "liars" is the mark of a maniacal sociopath.

On the other hand, maybe the currently vague "plain spoken regular guy" national image will get some more legs to go further than I thought, because frothing at the mouth purple-faced civil servants characterizing him as "assaulting" the oppressed downtrodden public employees and their unions is something that will definitely tend to be enormously helpful to the Chris Christie campaign nationally. And they will have no clue just how much it really does that as they do it.

Governor Christie's 2013 election campaign owes two law firms more than $800,000, a new disclosure report shows.

The report, dated Jan. 15, shows the debts were incurred on Dec. 31, and the campaign owes Patton Boggs in Newark nearly $509,000 and Stroz Friedberg of Dallas $294,000.

The campaign finance report shows that Christie's 2013 campaign had a $44,284 balance on Dec. 31. The website politicalmoneyline.com first reported on the campaign's debt.

The New Jersey Republican State Committee, which Christie also controls, also reported owing $400,000 in legal fees, according to a report earlier this week by the Philadelphia Inquirer.

He can't even balance HIS budget.

Maybe he can tell the law firms a story... that due to the fact he owes other organizations money, he will have to miss his payments to them.

Isn't it ironic New Jersey has experienced 8 straight credit downgrades under Christie, and no one is appointing an emergency management team for this state!

Christie, Rendell, McGreevey, all Governor's are whores to big business. Balanced budget? Since when, where? Maybe Avalon NJ. Irony in NJ does not exist, especially in AC. The truant officer for AC High School was found to be truant from his job for weeks by an outside new station. I find that ironic. NJ finds it ok plus a pension. Scum Fn bags.

Quote: coachbelly

As Candidate for Governor Christie promised a union hall full of cops and firemen that "pensions were a sacred oath" that he would never violate - Once elected he reduced retiree pensions, increased the years of service necessary for retirement and increased the rate of contribution by over 17%.

As Candidate for Re-election he said his greatest achievement was when he provided “real, long-term fiscal stability for future generations of New Jerseyans.” - Once re-elected he declared near bankruptcy and blamed it on the same pension system he spent 4 years "saving".

As Candidate for President he said it was either bankruptcy and nothing for retirees or higher contributions for less benefits. NJ (like all States) is a Constitutional Sovereign and exempt from Bankruptcy Laws.

This man is caught lying within the lies he lied about. He has a history of deception fraud, self-dealing, nepotism and vindictiveness. He has surrounded himself with self-dealing, derelict and devious perjurers.

Christie claimed that a mid level manager submerged trains and deviated from the NJT Action plan without telling senior management – E-Mails to his appointee James Weinstein exposed him as a liar. Christie was lying to protect an incompetent person, when caught he doubled down on the lie and said the mid level employee could not be fired because of Civil Service rules. NJ Transit is not covered by Civil Service in any way.

In fact the only appointee Christie has ever labeled incompetent was Brett Schundler. When the State of NJ lost 400 million dollars in Federal Education grants (because of Christie’s vindictiveness), the liar accused Obama and Rahm Emanuel of short changing NJ. When Emanuel produced videotape debunking Christie’s lie, he called his own Education Commissioner Brett Schundler incompetent. Schundler produced e-mails establishing without question the fact that NJ lost that 400 million dollars based in Christie’s anti-teacher vendetta.

When he started his assault on public employees he lied about Assemblywoman Sheila Oliver, claiming she never bothered to talk to him about his purported “toolkit” to help local government take pay and benefits away from workers. Ms. Oliver produced phone records and e-mails proving she made repeated attempts to meet with him on the issue.

Christie claimed that he was in constant contact with Acting Governor Sweeney while he was vacationing during our State of Emergency. Sweeney produced phone records showing that he didn’t hear from Christie until 3 days after the emergency was declared.

When asked how he and the Lieutenant Governor were both out of State at the same time he claimed that Lt Governor Guadagno’s father had a medical emergency, as it turns out she scheduled her vacation in November with Christie’s approval

Christie claimed that the Fort Lee lane closures were part of a legitimate traffic study…time for some truth serum in Drumthwacket.

His dishonesty is disturbing enough - the fact that he runs around branding people who tell truth "liars" is the mark of a maniacal sociopath.

The truth is that your slimy, corrupt party created a thoroughly unsustainable pension system and now absolutely refuses to take the needed step-401k's-to fix it.

Amen.

Quote: bobsims

The truth is that your slimy, corrupt party created a thoroughly unsustainable pension system and now absolutely refuses to take the needed step-401k's-to fix it.

Well I'm a Republican, but pension reform is an entirely different discussion, and has no bearing on Christie's character.

Christie is unfit for office, he obviously has severe emotional problems, he weighs 400 pounds for pete's sake.

Quote: coachbelly

Well I'm a Republican, but pension reform is an entirely different discussion, and has no bearing on Christie's character.

Christie is unfit for office, he obviously has severe emotional problems, he weighs 400 pounds for pete's sake.

I doubt you are a GOPer if you think his weight is a reason for his not being electable. Tell us, who is your ideal GOP candidate? And who can beat Hillary??

Quote: Boz

I doubt you are a GOPer if you think his weight is a reason for his not being electable.

Shoot, evenbob thinks Hillary is too ugly to be elected. Sounds like rightwing reasoning, as Evenbob is not the leftwing afaik. Or is your point something else?

Quote: Boz

I doubt you are a GOPer if you think his weight is a reason for his not being electable.

This country hasn't elected a fat guy president since Taft!

Quote: Joeman

This country hasn't elected a fat guy president since Taft!

Once we move past 1st woman (2016), 1st gay man (2024), 1st black gay man (2032) and 1st black gay woman (2040), we might go back to a regular fat white guy...assuming we are still a country.

Quote: Boz

I doubt you are a GOPer if you think his weight is a reason for his not being electable.

It's not about his weight, his weight is a manifestation of his emotional problems, which disqualify him.

The man obviously has serious behavioral issues, just look at how he acts like a kook in public.

He can't control himself, he's gone over the edge.

Think about it, how could he have gotten to 400 lbs? He said he ate too much. No kidding, ya think?

It's not like he was some shut in who sat around watching TV and eating all day...every day.
He was busy working. So what did he do, sit by himself late night and eat a whole pizza or two,
or maybe two dozen donuts for breakfast before heading into the office?

It's mind boggling.

Quote: coachbelly

It's not about his weight, his weight is a manifestation of his emotional problems, which disqualify him.

The man obviously has serious behavioral issues, just look at how he acts like a kook in public.

He can't control himself, he's gone over the edge.

Think about it, how could he have gotten to 400 lbs? He said he ate too much. No kidding, ya think?

It's not like he was some shut in who sat around watching TV and eating all day...every day.
He was busy working. So what did he do, sit by himself late night and eat a whole pizza or two,
or maybe two dozen donuts for breakfast before heading into the office?

It's mind boggling.

A kook? I dont see it that way. I see someone willing to say what needs said and saying what makes common sense. When you do those things you are not always going to be popular. Too many politicians on both sides just say what they believe their base wants to hear. None of them want to deal with real issues for fear of not be re-elected or worse. He may not win, or may not even try, but to me it is refreshing to hear someone say what they believe. And believe it or not, I respect Bernie Sanders for the same thing. I may think his views make him a kook, but I respect his being honest.

Quote: Boz

I doubt you are a GOPer if you think his weight is a reason for his not being electable. Tell us, who is your ideal GOP candidate? And who can beat Hillary??

I think anyone can beat Hillary.

But Jeb Bush or Rand Paul are both really good choices.

I also hate Christie, and his weight, though not the most urgent thing about him, does matter for political image purposes.

Quote: Boz

A kook? I dont see it that way. I see someone willing to say what needs said and saying what makes common sense. When you do those things you are not always going to be popular. Too many politicians on both sides just say what they believe their base wants to hear. None of them want to deal with real issues for fear of not be re-elected or worse. He may not win, or may not even try, but to me it is refreshing to hear someone say what they believe. And believe it or not, I respect Bernie Sanders for the same thing. I may think his views make him a kook, but I respect his being honest.

Refreshing?...lying is refreshing? Lies need to be said? Why...to get elected?

You respect Bernie Sanders for being honest, that's fine. I don't respect Christie because he is dishonest.

That's how I see it.

Quote: Gandler

I think anyone can beat Hillary.

Ok, interesting. Maybe you are right.
How does a republican candidate get to 270?
I just don't really see it due to how the electoral college is set up.
Which states will the Rebubs win that they lost to Obama in 2012?
Odds makers taking real money bets on this clearly have a democrat winning the White House.
How can all the numerous bookies have it so wrong?


http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/winner
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/winning-party

Thanks for this.

lol @ 100 to 1 on an independent winning.

I'd give anybody a million to 1 on that. It's basically impossible.

Quote: sc15

lol @ 100 to 1 on an independent winning.

I'd give anybody a million to 1 on that. It's basically impossible.

The only way for a third party to gain traction is they would have to become as corrupt as the Demopublicans who have been ruining this country for 150 years.

Quote: Wizard

I've been waiting months for the first Republican to say a word in rebuke about Chris Christy wasting millions of taxpayer money on backing the Revel. Yet they are all quick to mention Solyndra. I'd like to see a thread about that.

On a scale of national politics, I doubt that Revel will register. Christie can say that he was trying to rescue the city.

Borgata, Harrah's and Golden Nugget all doing well for the year, Revel may possibly have been viable if it had been in the Marina district.

Quote: terapined

Ok, interesting. Maybe you are right.
How does a republican candidate get to 270?
I just don't really see it due to how the electoral college is set up.
Which states will the Rebubs win that they lost to Obama in 2012?
Odds makers taking real money bets on this clearly have a democrat winning the White House.
How can all the numerous bookies have it so wrong?


http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/winner
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/winning-party

I can't get in that site so I can't see what they use.

But, my rationale is this, Hillary is unpopular with a significant segment of Dems. If she gets the nomination, she will lost some support (not a ton but enough), whereas with a couple of exception, Republicans will vote for any repub. There may be some exceptions, for example I think Christie would be one of the least popular.

Quote: Gandler

I can't get in that site so I can't see what they use. .

Every bookie in the UK, 18 companies that take bets on the 2016 election has Hillary ahead.
Bookies cant afford to deal with somebody's rationale.
They deal with reality because their money is on the line.
Money talks, BS well you know

Quote: Gandler

But, my rationale is this, Hillary is unpopular with a significant segment of Dems. If she gets the nomination, she will lost some support (not a ton but enough), whereas with a couple of exception, Republicans will vote for any repub. There may be some exceptions, for example I think Christie would be one of the least popular.

The problem with the Repubs is the electoral college does not work in their favor.
Again, what states will the Repubs win that they lost to Obama in 2012?
Repubs need the Hispanic vote. At least 40% at the minimum.
Yet republican party just pissed off Jorge Ramos of Univision by excluding him from the debates.
This guy is like the Walter Cronkite of the Hispanics.
Hillary's problem with a few Dems pales in comparison to the quandary Repubs are in.
Attract tea party voters with the deport everybody mantra and they lose the Hispanic vote and the white house.

Quote: sc15

lol @ 100 to 1 on an independent winning.

I'd give anybody a million to 1 on that. It's basically impossible.

I'll take that action.
My 50 cents to your 1/2 million dollars.
Bet?
A trusted 3rd party holds your 1/2 million and my 50 cents.

Cant afford to have you maybe pull a "strictlyap " move on me, hence the trusted 3rd party
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/help/20302-when-a-forum-member-doesnt-pay/

Quote: terapined

Every bookie in the UK, 18 companies that take bets on the 2016 election has Hillary ahead.
Bookies cant afford to deal with somebody's rationale.
They deal with reality because their money is on the line.
Money talks, BS well you know


The problem with the Repubs is the electoral college does not work in their favor.
Again, what states will the Repubs win that they lost to Obama in 2012?
Repubs need the Hispanic vote. At least 40% at the minimum.
Yet republican party just pissed off Jorge Ramos of Univision by excluding him from the debates.
This guy is like the Walter Cronkite of the Hispanics.
Hillary's problem with a few Dems pales in comparison to the quandary Repubs are in.
Attract tea party voters with the deport everybody mantra and they lose the Hispanic vote and the white house.

After the biggest ass-whupping in 86 years we have a genius named terapined to tell us that the WINNING party is dead!
Virginia, Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, Colorado, New Hampshire, Maine-02. Swim in that lake for awhile then you can go back and read those BBC stories on no go zones. Still my bitch.

Case in point...todays lead story on the Huffington Post is "Mr Jersey goes to Iowa". Its not hard to see the left is afraid of this guy and will do anything to destroy him before he gets out of the primary. They cannot risk him in the General Election.

Jeb Bush will carry Florida and the hispanic vote nationwide so I think he would be the one Democrats most fear.

Quote: mickeycrimm

Jeb Bush will carry Florida and the hispanic vote nationwide so I think he would be the one Democrats most fear.

I believe they believe they can link him to his brother and that will be enough to bring him down in the General Election if he gets that far. Christie scares them because he speaks to the middle. But I think he will have problems in the primaries with the base.

Quote: mickeycrimm

Jeb Bush will carry Florida and the hispanic vote nationwide so I think he would be the one Democrats most fear.

Democrats have a lot to fear. They are a defeated and dispirited party whose only "hope" is to turn back the clock 25 years and bring back the triangulating, globalist 70 year old neo-liberal Clintons. Corporate and Wall Street whores who turn the stomach of the party's extremist base. But they literally have NO ONE else with a snowball's chance of hell.

Quote: mickeycrimm

Jeb Bush will carry Florida and the hispanic vote nationwide so I think he would be the one Democrats most fear.

Jeb Bush and Rand Paul can both offer a lot as far as bringing in new voter groups into the Party. But Bush for sure will dominate the Hispanic vote.