Gandler
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January 12th, 2015 at 3:03:24 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Only if they can prove that's what he was doing...


This is one of your lesser intelligent comments you've been making. WHO CARES if he was "looking for trouble" so long as he wasn't doing anything illegal? Does that give the casino permission to break laws and violate his rights? NO.



I care if he was looking for trouble. If he went into a casino where he knew he would likely get a cold reception because of past disputes, he knew and likely wanted what he was getting into. There are endless amounts of casinos in NV he could have tripped to, he chose to go to a CET casino. There is a reason for that.

You comment is the immature one. You are inferring lawsuit baiting is OK as long as it is legal. I disagree. He wanted a lawsuit. He wanted to cause trouble. This is not a hero. This is not a victim. This is somebody with an agenda, a predator devouring local businesses and destroying jobs.

He went in a casino where he knew his presence would cause drama. He cashed out just under 5k while 28 years old and refused to show ID and immediately made a scene demanding gaming officials to be called etc... The casino detained him and called the police.

CET acted properly to preserve the integrity of gaming transactions. We will see ultimately what the gaming commission states about the chips. But I will bet the crux of his lawsuit will focus on the supposed wrongful detainment, and not so much on the chips as that issue could be resolved without a lawsuit and likely would have been already...
kewlj
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January 12th, 2015 at 3:21:11 PM permalink
Oh my, are you still trying to win (Gandler)?

There is a scene in the Rob Reiner classic movie 'Princess Bride', where the Mandy Patinkin character is sword fighting the villain (played by Christopher Guest). The Mandy Patinkin character has been stabbed multiple times and can barely hold himself up and near death, while the villain is unharmed. As the Mandy character attacks yet again, The villain says. "Oh my, are you still trying to win"? Maybe a better analogy would be the Monty python movie where the black knight has lost both his arms and legs and continues to fight. Lol.

That's you, Gandler. You are not winning this argument, you are not going to win this argument. As a matter of fact everyone is convinced you have ties to CET. More importantly CET is not going to win this case. The only question now is how the CET bankruptcy, which began with todays filings, will effect the defendants ability to collect on any kind of settlement reached?
sc15
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January 12th, 2015 at 3:29:40 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

I care if he was looking for trouble. If he went into a casino where he knew he would likely get a cold reception because of past disputes, he knew and likely wanted what he was getting into. There are endless amounts of casinos in NV he could have tripped to, he chose to go to a CET casino. There is a reason for that.

You comment is the immature one. You are inferring lawsuit baiting is OK as long as it is legal. I disagree. He wanted a lawsuit. He wanted to cause trouble. This is not a hero. This is not a victim. This is somebody with an agenda, a predator devouring local businesses and destroying jobs.

He went in a casino where he knew his presence would cause drama. He cashed out just under 5k while 28 years old and refused to show ID and immediately made a scene demanding gaming officials to be called etc... The casino detained him and called the police.

CET acted properly to preserve the integrity of gaming transactions. We will see ultimately what the gaming commission states about the chips. But I will bet the crux of his lawsuit will focus on the supposed wrongful detainment, and not so much on the chips as that issue could be resolved without a lawsuit and likely would have been already...



Lawsuit baiting _IS_ OK as long as it is legal. That's how the legal system works.

It's the casino's duty to not take the bait and do something illegal.

Don't bring any moral discussions into this. This has to do with lawyers and courts. Morals have no place here.
Gandler
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January 12th, 2015 at 3:43:28 PM permalink
Quote: sc15

Lawsuit baiting _IS_ OK as long as it is legal. That's how the legal system works.



No. It shows the character of a person who abuses the system. I have been a long proponent of reverse action lawsuits, where if somebody files a lawsuit that fails they have to pay that to the defendant.

Quote:

It's the casino's duty to not take the bait and do something illegal.



So if I get drunk Jump your fence and fall into your pool and sue you for not havin a high enough fence (this has happened), I hope you keep the same logic....

Quote:

Don't bring any moral discussions into this. This has to do with lawyers and courts. Morals have no place here.



I feel differently. But I am not a sellout to my values.

I hate lawsuits. And people who make a living baiting them. I feel not the slightest sympathy for this sham artist. I feel terrible for an honorable chaperone of responsible gaming such as CET have to struggle with such predators.
terapined
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January 12th, 2015 at 4:06:36 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

. I feel terrible for an honorable chaperone of responsible gaming such as CET have to struggle with such predators.



CET is the predator.
I pay all my bills.
I agreed to take out a mortgage and will pay that money back. Bank not worried, house worth way more then the outstanding balance.
I am an honorable person when it comes to owing money.
Will CET be honorable this year and pay what they owe ????
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AcesAndEights
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January 12th, 2015 at 4:08:50 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

I never knew Gary Loveman had so much time on his hands to spend on this forum.


I lol'd.

Seriously though, whether or not this guy was purposefully trying to get a reaction, I hope he gets paid in accordance with the casino's misdeeds.
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Hunterhill
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January 12th, 2015 at 4:22:09 PM permalink
Now I know you are trolling. When you say Cet is an honorable chaperone of responsible gaming I have to thank you for giving me a laugh.
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sc15
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January 12th, 2015 at 4:50:36 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

No. It shows the character of a person who abuses the system. I have been a long proponent of reverse action lawsuits, where if somebody files a lawsuit that fails they have to pay that to the defendant.



So if I get drunk Jump your fence and fall into your pool and sue you for not havin a high enough fence (this has happened), I hope you keep the same logic....

Quote:

Don't bring any moral discussions into this. This has to do with lawyers and courts. Morals have no place here.



I feel differently. But I am not a sellout to my values.

I hate lawsuits. And people who make a living baiting them. I feel not the slightest sympathy for this sham artist. I feel terrible for an honorable chaperone of responsible gaming such as CET have to struggle with such predators.



You might want to move out of the US then, where being a lawyer is a great profession.

There's also IS exactly what you want for a "reverse action lawsuit." It's called malicious prosecution. And there's also countersuits.

Also, if someone broke onto my property and fell into my pool and it looks like a situation where I'd be facing a lawsuit (e.g. they have an obvious injury or they're already unconscious. A situation that wouldn't be resolved by just pulling them out and telling them to beat it.), I would wait for them to die before calling anybody. It's much cheaper to deal with a corpse than a living plaintiff with injuries. (If the person dies, you might get a negligence lawsuit and settle for 5 figures. If they have brain damage and survive you could be on the hook for decades of medical expenses) It doesn't pay to be a good samaritan in the US.

And CET being a chaperone of responsible gaming, HAH, you must be trolling w/ that statement. 1 word counters that argument: Watanabe.
AxelWolf
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January 12th, 2015 at 5:07:03 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Only if they can prove that's what he was doing...


This is one of your lesser intelligent comments you've been making. WHO CARES if he was "looking for trouble" so long as he wasn't doing anything illegal? Does that give the casino permission to break laws and violate his rights? NO.

It is my 100% opinion that you work for, or have some relation to CET... and it's quite obvious.

They only need to suspect you of it.

I was detained one time at the Sahara because I looked like someone who just stole some little old ladies bucket of coins. Luckily she had all of her facilities and confirmed it wasn't me.

The security guards were Idiots. I was standing in the casino casually chatting(I guess theres the worlds dumbest) I also had 2 witnesses, but they wouldn't even talk with them.

I didn't even get so much as an apology. IMO they should have came back with a big fat dinner comp.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Gandler
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January 12th, 2015 at 5:09:02 PM permalink
Quote: sc15

Quote: Gandler

No. It shows the character of a person who abuses the system. I have been a long proponent of reverse action lawsuits, where if somebody files a lawsuit that fails they have to pay that to the defendant.



So if I get drunk Jump your fence and fall into your pool and sue you for not havin a high enough fence (this has happened), I hope you keep the same logic....

Quote:

Don't bring any moral discussions into this. This has to do with lawyers and courts. Morals have no place here.



I feel differently. But I am not a sellout to my values.

I hate lawsuits. And people who make a living baiting them. I feel not the slightest sympathy for this sham artist. I feel terrible for an honorable chaperone of responsible gaming such as CET have to struggle with such predators.



You might want to move out of the US then, where being a lawyer is a great profession.

There's also IS exactly what you want for a "reverse action lawsuit." It's called malicious prosecution. And there's also countersuits.

Also, if someone broke onto my property and fell into my pool and it looks like a situation where I'd be facing a lawsuit (e.g. they have an obvious injury or they're already unconscious. A situation that wouldn't be resolved by just pulling them out and telling them to beat it.), I would wait for them to die before calling anybody. It's much cheaper to deal with a corpse than a living plaintiff with injuries. (If the person dies, you might get a negligence lawsuit and settle for 5 figures. If they have brain damage and survive you could be on the hook for decades of medical expenses) It doesn't pay to be a good samaritan in the US.



Countersuits are different. Some countries force failed plaintiffs to pay the amount they were suing to the defendant. Ironically these countries rarely have frivolous lawsuits.

But you would let somebody die to save some money? being a good Samaritan should not have a price.

You attack me for siding with CET for performing their civic duty. And yet you are willing to let somebody die to save some money? It sounds like I am not the one with the skewed morals.... I find it ironic that I am viewed by some as the absurd one. But I guess have principle and honor is absurd to those with liberal values.

You are right, I don't enjoy lawsuit culture. The only ones who do are those who abuse the system.

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