Vegas Rover Deals Card
Quote: VRJOHNAgain... I know who you are... Go ahead and play dumb... The fact of the matter is you came into this thread and made a bunch of statements and only had proof for one... and mind you it was one Brad had no problem admitting to... Something that happened 14 years ago. Which is to say a lot more than you're willing to do hiding behind a fake name. Now once again, how about showing factual evidence and proof of every other claim you made in this thread??? All you've done is speculate and lie.
Our deals card is real. Our partners are real. The deals are real. We've been open and running since July. We've had 5 official meets, 3 of which were in Vegas. We've had over 100 people show up at a meet before. Our real members have enjoyed the perks of the card and I sincerely hope that anyone who uses this forum is smart enough to figure out that anyone who claims to have thrown away the card after paying for it is either a complete idiot or lying altogether.
You truly need serious professional help heretobustfraud. I sincerely hope you find it.
Stop acting like everything I said is fiction. Either you know what I am saying and trying to deflect or you have never heard it before and have not fact checked for yourself before Brad deleted the multiple threads he has started or been a part of.
Quote: BozWhat started as something that seemed like a benefit to members here is now long gone from that.
Mods, regardless of who is right here, do we really need new members like this? Unless of course they are willing to click on some links at the bottom of the pags :)
I just clicked on any links I have seen. Hope that helps :)
Quote: heretobustfraudStop acting like everything I said is fiction. Either you know what I am saying and trying to deflect or you have never heard it before and have not fact checked for yourself before Brad deleted the multiple threads he has started or been a part of.
The fact is you're a bold faced liar and are conveniently trying to deflect now because you didn't have proof of any statement made besides Brad screwing up 14 years ago... You've been caught in your lies and it backfired on you.
Quote: heretobustfraudI just clicked on any links I have seen. Hope that helps :)
I don't think any of those casino game links can be used in the United States can they?
Quote: VRJOHNThe fact is you're a bold faced liar and are conveniently trying to deflect now because you didn't have proof of any statement made besides Brad screwing up 14 years ago... You've been caught in your lies and it backfired on you.
Can you explain to me how to post screenshots here I would be happy to show the proof but my Oklahoma education didn't teach me enough about forums.
Quote: BozWhat started as something that seemed like a benefit to members here is now long gone from that.
Mods, regardless of who is right here, do we really need new members like this? Unless of course they are willing to click on some links at the bottom of the pags :)
To be perfectly honest, after Brad told me about this site, I was really interested to check it out further after the weekend... I still hope to be able to do that, even if Rover is never mentioned on these forums again.
I'm honestly sorry that this thread has gone the way it has... if anyone here is wondering why they don't get to see reviews on Vegas Rover on other forums or trip advisor, it's because of the scenario that played out here today always repeats itself... Every time someone posts something positive, the trolls come out and the threads are removed. When you've dealt with harassment and extortion by cyber terrorists as long as I have, you get fed up.
I am really sorry Boz. :-(
Quote: VRJOHNThe fact is you're a bold faced liar and are conveniently trying to deflect now because you didn't have proof of any statement made besides Brad screwing up 14 years ago... You've been caught in your lies and it backfired on you.
As much as I like good forum fights, wouldn't it be more prudent to instead answer the questions the forum members have asked you about actually buying your product? Will Wizard members be able to get any discounts on gold or higher cards, group purchases or any other exclusive discounts? Will you guys accept other methods of payment for anyone who is wary about providing a credit card or personal info?
I mean if you want to keep going after that guy, by all means go ahead but you seem to be losing the goodwill you guys built up here with each passing post. Just it does not seem very "CEOish" to put strife ahead of your business.
Quote: VRJOHNTo be perfectly honest, after Brad told me about this site, I was really interested to check it out further after the weekend... I still hope to be able to do that, even if Rover is never mentioned on these forums again.
I'm honestly sorry that this thread has gone the way it has... if anyone here is wondering why they don't get to see reviews on Vegas Rover on other forums or trip advisor, it's because of the scenario that played out here today always repeats itself... Every time someone posts something positive, the trolls come out and the threads are removed. When you've dealt with harassment and extortion by cyber terrorists as long as I have, you get fed up.
I am really sorry Boz. :-(
Why do you think that is John? Other companies have great reviews on many different sites and some people completely hate them and it makes no difference. Why should me one person make a difference? No one else has come to my side on here. I don't even care if they do. Its my opinion backed up by fact and again could someone tell me how to post screenshots?
Quote: PerditionAs much as I like good forum fights, wouldn't it be more prudent to instead answer the questions the forum members have asked you about actually buying your product? Will Wizard members be able to get any discounts on gold or higher cards, group purchases or any other exclusive discounts? Will you guys accept other methods of payment for anyone who is wary about providing a credit card or personal info?
I mean if you want to keep going after that guy, by all means go ahead but you seem to be losing the goodwill you guys built up here with each passing post. Just it does not seem very "CEOish" to put strife ahead of your business.
He is a CEO of a 2 person company not even sure if that could be considered a CEO but I don't really know enough about micro businesses I work for 1 that has 10,000 + employees and the CEO would never act like this.
Quote: PerditionAs much as I like good forum fights, wouldn't it be more prudent to instead answer the questions the forum members have asked you about actually buying your product? Will Wizard members be able to get any discounts on gold or higher cards, group purchases or any other exclusive discounts? Will you guys accept other methods of payment for anyone who is wary about providing a credit card or personal info?
I mean if you want to keep going after that guy, by all means go ahead but you seem to be losing the goodwill you guys built up here with each passing post. Just it does not seem very "CEOish" to put strife ahead of your business.
Hi Peredition, I just realized a post from Axelwolf escaped me. I will answer his questions below.
The clock was ticking for this deal, or so I thought tomorrow at 12am meant it ended on sun @ 12am.
I don't care so much about you're past, but at this point my concerns are releasing my personal and CC information.
--Our payment processing is handled through stripe. No CC numbers are stored on our servers or actually hit our servers and all the processing is handled by them.
Is paypal an option? If not why?
--We can take paypal, but not directly off the site. We can send a paypal invoice to you that will come from Vegas Rover Ltd and after payment clears, we issue you a gift certificate code for the site. You then go on the site and create an account with your information and provide the gift certificate code into the coupon spot and apply. It will then make the particular card you purchased zero balance. All you will have to do now is provide a legal name which matches your ID/ i.e will match whatever is on your players club card and as such will be the same on your Vegas Rover Card. When you show your Vegas Rover Card at the players club and it does not match your legal name that's on your ID or existing players club card, they will deny you the offer.
Are money orders an option? If not why?
--At this time we do not take money orders or cashier checks. Our process is digital and this goes against our business model... Perhaps someday that will change.
Prepaid gift cards? If not why?
--We have nothing against them, if you have a prepaid gift card that's normally allowed to be used online, it should work on our site. We do have several fraud prevention tools in place, so make sure you register your card with whatever requirements it has for online use. such as setting a zip.
Lets say I used a prepaid debit card and buy a few, for friends and family as gifts, do you need anything other than their first and last names? Can I just use a prepaid debit card and have friends and families rewards cards shipped to my PO. box and give it to them in person?
--If you wanted to purchase several gift certificates for the site at one time, that is possible via a paypal invoice. You could then give the codes to the people to create an account on the site. We have multiple tier levels and when you create an account on the site and purchase or use a gift code for a particular level, the account is given the proper level of permissions and you are given access to the appropriate deals on the site such as unique booking codes or reservation forms.
Each person will have to provide a first and last name and an address to ship the customised card too.
Will the gold membership go on sale ever?
--Like any business, we run periodic sales from time to time-
Do you have a discount for multiple gift purchases?
--We do not have a discount for multiple gift purchases.
-- The Ten dollar Basic promotion was a one week deal and it won't be coming back anytime for the foreseeable future. A 1 year basi membership will return to 29.95 at 11:59pm PST tonight.
Quote: VRJOHNHi Peredition, I just realized a post from Axelwolf escaped me. I will answer his questions below.
The clock was ticking for this deal, or so I thought tomorrow at 12am meant it ended on sun @ 12am.
I don't care so much about you're past, but at this point my concerns are releasing my personal and CC information.
--Our payment processing is handled through stripe. No CC numbers are stored on our servers or actually hit our servers and all the processing is handled by them.
Is paypal an option? If not why?
--We can take paypal, but not directly off the site. We can send a paypal invoice to you that will come from Vegas Rover Ltd and after payment clears, we issue you a gift certificate code for the site. You then go on the site and create an account with your information and provide the gift certificate code into the coupon spot and apply. It will then make the particular card you purchased zero balance. All you will have to do now is provide a legal name which matches your ID/ i.e will match whatever is on your players club card and as such will be the same on your Vegas Rover Card. When you show your Vegas Rover Card at the players club and it does not match your legal name that's on your ID or existing players club card, they will deny you the offer.
Are money orders an option? If not why?
--At this time we do not take money orders or cashier checks. Our process is digital and this goes against our business model... Perhaps someday that will change.
Prepaid gift cards? If not why?
--We have nothing against them, if you have a prepaid gift card that's normally allowed to be used online, it should work on our site. We do have several fraud prevention tools in place, so make sure you register your card with whatever requirements it has for online use. such as setting a zip.
Lets say I used a prepaid debit card and buy a few, for friends and family as gifts, do you need anything other than their first and last names? Can I just use a prepaid debit card and have friends and families rewards cards shipped to my PO. box and give it to them in person?
--If you wanted to purchase several gift certificates for the site at one time, that is possible via a paypal invoice. You could then give the codes to the people to create an account on the site. We have multiple tier levels and when you create an account on the site and purchase or use a gift code for a particular level, the account is given the proper level of permissions and you are given access to the appropriate deals on the site such as unique booking codes or reservation forms.
Each person will have to provide a first and last name and an address to ship the customised card too.
Will the gold membership go on sale ever?
--Like any business, we run periodic sales from time to time-
Do you have a discount for multiple gift purchases?
--We do not have a discount for multiple gift purchases.
-- The Ten dollar Basic promotion was a one week deal and it won't be coming back anytime for the foreseeable future. A 1 year basi membership will return to 29.95 at 11:59pm PST tonight.
Don't start acting like a CEO now please tell me how to screenshot I have a hilarious conversation brad had with members of lasvegasadvisor.com about how he hates vegas people and in the same thread offended people that live in the southern U.S.
Quote: heretobustfraudDon't start acting like a CEO now please tell me how to screenshot I have a hilarious conversation brad had with members of lasvegasadvisor.com about how he hates vegas people and in the same thread offended people that live in the southern U.S.
Mods have left this thread alone but at this point you are doing nothing but trolling. You presented your side, their side gave a rebutal. Anything beyond that is trolling. We all know the "risks" so it should be left at that.
Quote: VRJOHNI've committed no crimes.
I think this thread needs a little levity about now...
Didn't you mean to write:
Quote:I've paid my dues
Time after time
I've done my sentence
But committed no crime
Now that I've managed to give everyone an earworm for the rest of the the day my work is done.
I've followed this for a while. First, I have no knowledge or opinions on any of the allegations of fraud, so I'm not going to address that. Like anything else online or new I'll just say Caveat Emptor, and that I think most of us have made mistakes in the past and would like to think that we could be forgiven for our sins.
When I first came across this program soon after they started up, (sometime last summer), I thought it looked a little sketchy. There were a lot of claims, but there wasn't a lot of substance to back that up. Unlike most offers of a similar nature it wasn't at all easy to see just what you were getting for enrolling and that did have an effect on me because a lack of transparency can be a warning sign that something is amiss. However, in this case I think it wasn't due to malice, but maybe more to unrealistic expectations. Anyone that starts a business believes it is the hottest thing since the sliced mousetrap and that everyone, both users and providers, will sign up in droves. Initially they seemed a little slow in signing up providers, and if you don't have many providers then you don't have a lot to sell to users either. It might have made more sense to secure more relationships before the initial offering, but they probably did the best they thought at the time.
As time rolled on the number of offers increased as did the transparency. They have secured a lot more relationships, and now it is much easier for consumers to see what level of membership best fits their needs. I'd guess that it isn't easy to get the first providers to sign up. It's new. It's untried. And if they ask "who else is doing this" they have to hem and haw a bit and say... "Um. Well, you'd be the first". <"Security! Please show these gentlemen the exit"> But now that they have a solid offering it has got to be a lot easier, which is probably why they are doing reasonably well at adding new things on a regular basis.
As for the card itself, it doesn't have any or much value to me but neither does LVA or ACG. I know lots of people like to go on coupon runs but driving all over town for $10 here and there isn't my gig. I go to Vegas to play, and once I get established somewhere I play a lot and get as much in the way of comps as I need. Overall I believe this idea has possibilities and I think there is plenty of room in the market for it. But it will be interesting to watch it evolve, and to survive I'm sure they will have to do so.
There is a distinct dichotomy between the providers and users of these programs. The provider wants eyeballs in their establishment and hope they stay far longer than just to use the coupon, while knowing full well that a large percentage of people won't. People that buy coupons do so to save money, which doesn't make them the big spenders that establishments want and means a lot of them are not going to spend a dime after the offer is fulfilled. It's that sweet spot in the middle that controls everything.
Even though I have not purchased any coupon book in more than a dozen years I still follow what's in them, and what's changed. Every year there are providers that drop out and I think it's safe to assume that those that drop out do so because they don't believe there is value to them anymore. But in general most of these offers are relatively small. If they do get a lot of hit 'n runners it isn't going to have much impact on their bottom line. But their potential exposure is a lot greater with this program.
The Trop has been mentioned a lot in this thread, so I'll focus on that. I have not been in it since the remodel, but I have seen pictures and have read many trip reports about it. While it is a decent property, it isn't the Bellagio or Venetian. I could certainly be wrong, but I'm not convinced that people who are getting $1,500 offers from the others are going to be really happy there. But if you can get a free $1,500, why not use it?
While VR gets quite a bit from the higher tier cards, I'd imagine that the Trop only gets the promise of higher rolling potential customers. If there ends up being a lot of hit and run customers the Trop stands to lose quite a bit. As I already mentioned I've seen a lot of yearly changes in the coupons, and if $10 spooks them I'd guess that amounts that are upwards of $500 are going to make them a hell of a lot more skittish. At this point in time I'd be a little worried about sustainability. If the big offers don't hold up over time you have a problem with the higher tiers.
The other thing that I've seen that I think they need to work on is the lack of variety in the tiers for many of the offers. The "big" offers may be a lot better, but as a consumer I'd look at things like the food offers where the majority get the same discount regardless of card level and think "why buy anything but a basic card?" Personally, while I think a multi-tier approach has merit, I think 4 levels is too ambitious. You have to come up with different offers for each tier, and the higher the offer the more exposure the casino has. If there were only 2 levels I suspect it would be easier to get providers to make 2 different offers, but it would seem you are kind of stuck with what you have, at least for now.
That's my take on it, trying to look at all sides of the issue and trying to use constructive criticism. You may thrive just as you are, but if not perhaps something I wrote might be helpful in the future. As far as I'm concerned another program can only be good for the consumer, (except me of course), and I hope you do well.
Question for VR.....Have you had many customers with these size offers at Trop and what, if you know, was the result?
Quote: HullabalooI think this thread needs a little levity about now...
Didn't you mean to write:
Now that I've managed to give everyone an earworm for the rest of the the day my work is done.
I've followed this for a while. First, I have no knowledge or opinions on any of the allegations of fraud, so I'm not going to address that. Like anything else online or new I'll just say Caveat Emptor, and that I think most of us have made mistakes in the past and would like to think that we could be forgiven for our sins.
When I first came across this program soon after they started up, (sometime last summer), I thought it looked a little sketchy. There were a lot of claims, but there wasn't a lot of substance to back that up. Unlike most offers of a similar nature it wasn't at all easy to see just what you were getting for enrolling and that did have an effect on me because a lack of transparency can be a warning sign that something is amiss. However, in this case I think it wasn't due to malice, but maybe more to unrealistic expectations. Anyone that starts a business believes it is the hottest thing since the sliced mousetrap and that everyone, both users and providers, will sign up in droves. Initially they seemed a little slow in signing up providers, and if you don't have many providers then you don't have a lot to sell to users either. It might have made more sense to secure more relationships before the initial offering, but they probably did the best they thought at the time.
As time rolled on the number of offers increased as did the transparency. They have secured a lot more relationships, and now it is much easier for consumers to see what level of membership best fits their needs. I'd guess that it isn't easy to get the first providers to sign up. It's new. It's untried. And if they ask "who else is doing this" they have to hem and haw a bit and say... "Um. Well, you'd be the first". <"Security! Please show these gentlemen the exit"> But now that they have a solid offering it has got to be a lot easier, which is probably why they are doing reasonably well at adding new things on a regular basis.
As for the card itself, it doesn't have any or much value to me but neither does LVA or ACG. I know lots of people like to go on coupon runs but driving all over town for $10 here and there isn't my gig. I go to Vegas to play, and once I get established somewhere I play a lot and get as much in the way of comps as I need. Overall I believe this idea has possibilities and I think there is plenty of room in the market for it. But it will be interesting to watch it evolve, and to survive I'm sure they will have to do so.
There is a distinct dichotomy between the providers and users of these programs. The provider wants eyeballs in their establishment and hope they stay far longer than just to use the coupon, while knowing full well that a large percentage of people won't. People that buy coupons do so to save money, which doesn't make them the big spenders that establishments want and means a lot of them are not going to spend a dime after the offer is fulfilled. It's that sweet spot in the middle that controls everything.
Even though I have not purchased any coupon book in more than a dozen years I still follow what's in them, and what's changed. Every year there are providers that drop out and I think it's safe to assume that those that drop out do so because they don't believe there is value to them anymore. But in general most of these offers are relatively small. If they do get a lot of hit 'n runners it isn't going to have much impact on their bottom line. But their potential exposure is a lot greater with this program.
The Trop has been mentioned a lot in this thread, so I'll focus on that. I have not been in it since the remodel, but I have seen pictures and have read many trip reports about it. While it is a decent property, it isn't the Bellagio or Venetian. I could certainly be wrong, but I'm not convinced that people who are getting $1,500 offers from the others are going to be really happy there. But if you can get a free $1,500, why not use it?
While VR gets quite a bit from the higher tier cards, I'd imagine that the Trop only gets the promise of higher rolling potential customers. If there ends up being a lot of hit and run customers the Trop stands to lose quite a bit. As I already mentioned I've seen a lot of yearly changes in the coupons, and if $10 spooks them I'd guess that amounts that are upwards of $500 are going to make them a hell of a lot more skittish. At this point in time I'd be a little worried about sustainability. If the big offers don't hold up over time you have a problem with the higher tiers.
The other thing that I've seen that I think they need to work on is the lack of variety in the tiers for many of the offers. The "big" offers may be a lot better, but as a consumer I'd look at things like the food offers where the majority get the same discount regardless of card level and think "why buy anything but a basic card?" Personally, while I think a multi-tier approach has merit, I think 4 levels is too ambitious. You have to come up with different offers for each tier, and the higher the offer the more exposure the casino has. If there were only 2 levels I suspect it would be easier to get providers to make 2 different offers, but it would seem you are kind of stuck with what you have, at least for now.
That's my take on it, trying to look at all sides of the issue and trying to use constructive criticism. You may thrive just as you are, but if not perhaps something I wrote might be helpful in the future. As far as I'm concerned another program can only be good for the consumer, (except me of course), and I hope you do well.
Hullabaloo,
Thanks for the very honest post and we appreciate you following us. We have a lot of exciting new partners launching next month. You nailed it dead on about securing our first partners. Once we established relationships and members were visiting things started picking up. We are extremely proud of what Vegas Rover has accomplished in 6 month. The future is very bright for our program.
Brad Baker
Vegas Rover
Co-Founder and Marketing Coordinator
Quote: BozGreat post Hulla. My thoughts were the same on the Trop offer. I have a $1000 offer and others on here have larger ones as well. Speaking for myself, I am not going to switch to Trop from ##### because honestly they are not on the same level. But I will gladdly take their free play and keep an empty room. However that wont last long on their end and they have to know most players at this level will not switch.
Question for VR.....Have you had many customers with these size offers at Trop and what, if you know, was the result?
Boz,
The largest offer match was 4 nights in a suite and $750 in slot play. Tropicana welcomes all offers small or large. The only requirement is it must be a Vegas Comp Room and include slot play. We're not looking for turn and burn players, but rather those who are really willing to give a new property a try. Of course there is nothing to stop us from getting those sorts of players.
Brad Baker
Vegas Rover
Co-Founder and Marketing Coordinator
https://www.facebook.com/VegasRover
Facebook User
Barry... Barry.. again so misguided. You have a group that is not even active. They are just old members who passed by for free chips. No the chips have dried up and they didn't know how to delete themselves. I really feel bad for you. Must suck that everyone hates you.
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Everything you have built is a failure. Even the gifts, guides group has more active members then you.
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Barry French
06/03/2013 19:47
Barry French
so are you saying the facebook statistics are wrong? We use short links on our group and can monitor how often they are clicked. They are being looked at 1000s of times a week so the group is hardly dead.
How you can say that is just a joke. we get around 7-800 new members every week and we continue to grow unlike rover
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06/03/2013 19:52
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You so don't get 700-800 members a week. That is a huge lie. Your group number is a joke. 50% force added and 25% inactive. Too funny
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06/03/2013 20:31
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Also btw.. anytime someone mentions "myvegas" that counts towards your number. Can we say piggy backing. lol!
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Barry French
06/03/2013 23:42
Barry French
isnt your page still called My Vegas Friends and deals? surely the same applies
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06/03/2013 23:44
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My Vegas not myvegas so it does not apply
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Barry French
06/03/2013 23:45
Barry French
so we are friendsofmyvegas. are you saying if anyone mentions the word "friends" we also get tagged?
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06/03/2013 23:45
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Nope myvegas
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Barry French
06/03/2013 23:46
Barry French
perhaps you should ask your mate John. He will put you straight.
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Facebook User
06/03/2013 23:46
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Are you going to your meet
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Barry French
06/03/2013 23:47
Barry French
no i live in the UK as you know.
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so if someone writes friends we dont get tagged but if someone writes myvegas we do get tagged lol
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06/03/2013 23:49
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myvegas friends
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Barry French
06/03/2013 23:49
Barry French
if they write myvegas surely your group would get tagged as it has thes in it?
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06/03/2013 23:50
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When people ask I am looking for myvegas friends like they do all the time
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Barry French
06/03/2013 23:50
Barry French
so myvegas is a special word and friends is not?
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Facebook User
06/03/2013 23:51
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Let me know if you need help with graphics. I am john John would give you a good deal.
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sure*
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Barry French
06/03/2013 23:52
Barry French
no we are fine. Its the Rover group that needs help
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"have you ever used a bidet" was your best thread
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06/03/2013 23:53
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Yeah? I love that you still look in on our group that is touching. I have no access to yours and don't need it.
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Maybe I should play bingo tonight and win a prize.
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Bingo sponsored by IScamUSA
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Barry French
06/03/2013 23:54
Barry French
why are you messaging me then? You say you have no access but know about bingo ffs
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06/03/2013 23:54
Facebook User
It's on your graphic duh
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Barry French
06/03/2013 23:55
Barry French
no, bingo is put on by Yair but his company dont sponsor it. How old is the graphic your referring to?
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do you mean the post on our page a couple of months back?
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Facebook User
06/03/2013 23:56
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It says Wed Luxor Bingo
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Barry French
06/03/2013 23:56
Barry French
and it also says yairs co is sponsoring it?
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Facebook User
06/03/2013 23:56
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Oh idk about him sponsoring now but he use to
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You can win a free stolen TV from Iraq
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Barry French
06/03/2013 23:57
Barry French
no, i just posted saying thanks and promoted his business.
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your clearly clutching at straws.
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Facebook User
06/03/2013 23:58
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Whatever you say Barry
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Can I sign up for your awesome forum?
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Barry French
06/03/2013 23:59
Barry French
we can promote any business/group we like. Our last 2 fundraisers raised over $2000 for each charity we promoted
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you can sign up if you want but the forum is dead.
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Facebook User
07/03/2013 00:00
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Keep telling yourself that. myVegas is ready to do whatever they want. They love the free help.
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Tell Sophia aka David Pascal we said hello.
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Barry French
07/03/2013 00:01
Barry French
and we love doing it for free. thats the whole point of our group
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07/03/2013 00:01
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lol not your point
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Barry French
07/03/2013 00:02
Barry French
i have admins that are happy to run the group. Ive been bored with it for ages but i still retain the ownership. unlike you
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Facebook User
07/03/2013 00:02
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You are all about making money. We have always cared less about making money. You wanted to sell that forum so bad to Playstudios and charge a membership fee.
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Actually nobody owns a group on FB.
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Barry French
07/03/2013 00:04
Barry French
so how much are you all making? $1000, $2,000 a week each lol
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you say your not into making money yet your first post was bragging about it and offering to buy me something.....
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07/03/2013 00:05
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You will never know...
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Barry French
07/03/2013 00:06
Barry French
Brad Baker
Hope you are enjoy running your free 24/7 myVegas support group while we are making money.
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07/03/2013 00:07
Facebook User
Like I said maybe we are and maybe we aren't. All I know is you can't make a cent. LOL
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That's how is works in the UK. Everything must be given to you.
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Barry French
07/03/2013 00:08
Barry French
but i dont need to.
Facebook User
Hi Barry,
Are you going to continue your malicious attacks on Vegas Rover? Mentioning violence at our meets has reached a new level. We have had no involvement with your group and not sure what your obsession is with me.
I am not writing this as a threat but to advise you we have contacted all authorities in Clark County and will pursue every avenue for prosecution. We have all your emails sent to the partners including statements. As you might not know John Moura is 100% owner in Vegas Rover so your attacks are baseless.
Regards,
Brad Baker
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Barry French
20/08/2014 23:16
Barry French
so if John owns 100% why are you bothered?
You have to agree that your not offering value for money to the members and your using them as a "cash cow"
$3,000 and you will never hear from me again
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Facebook User
20/08/2014 23:21
Facebook User
Members have 4 1/2 years of membership who purchased during our RocketHub campaign. The deals secured were done in only 60 days of being in Vegas. Seeing members hurt because of your actions is all I care about.
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Facebook User
20/08/2014 23:23
Facebook User
The Ellis Island deal for example gave members a $25 slot loss rebate 4 times a year, $10 table match play 4 times a year, 1/2 entree 4 times a year, and a free beer every week. The value in that alone exceeds a $50 Basic membership. Plus they would have had that available for 4 1/2 years.
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Barry French
20/08/2014 23:23
Barry French
$3000 and it goes away
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Facebook User
20/08/2014 23:26
Facebook User
Not interested in that. Things are already way out of hand and we have involved the authorities. 102 pages were delivered to the FBI Vegas field office yesterday. We submitted your address and all information. They suggested I reach out one last time before moving forward.
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Facebook User
20/08/2014 23:30
Facebook User
All partners have been informed of the report and are aware of the threats. They have been provided the same information we submitted to the FBI. Security at each property has been notified and if anyone involved in those threads steps foot on property they will be detained and arrested. They take these threats very seriously here.
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Barry French
20/08/2014 23:33
Barry French
lol what threat are you referring to?
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Facebook User
20/08/2014 23:36
Facebook User
I won't message you again but wanted to send a courtesy warning letting you know we are proceeding with criminal action to the fullest extent. I can see you have no intention to cease it seems and that is your option.
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Barry French
20/08/2014 23:41
Barry French
have you forgot im not American? and also that I don't care..... Your just running scared Brad. Your worried that your past will catch up with you and it will affect the business.
The funniest part is that ex rover members are also seeing your weird posts of late and are changing their view of you.
You made a big thing of the email I had from buster having his cell number and then posted my address. You asked members to report MVF and people disagreed with you.
Im also surprised that the properties have forwarded ALL my emails as I didn't contact them all. The ones I did were via facebook.
20/08/2014 23:49
Facebook User
I had to laugh a bit. I had a stalker from one of the dating sites in 2008. Basically did the same thing as you are doing. Created fake accounts to slander me with.
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Anyways I can see you have no intentions of ceasing. Thanks for your time
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Barry French
20/08/2014 23:57
Barry French
why do you think I have loads of fake accounts. Its not just me that has a problem with you and your business practises. They are forming a queue to bring you down yet you think its all my doing. You need to take your head out of your arse and take look at the way members feel. If you were 100% honest you would ask the members how they felt rather than deleting anything posted that is negative.
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Barry French
21/08/2014 00:00
Barry French
you cant even trust people your friends (long term friends) with as they are sending over lots of information. Its clear that people that bought membership are not happy and that is NOT my fault. its your fault.
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3 bags of sand
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Barry French
How you had 50 of your members $50 meals refunded in vouchers and wanted to keep them all for your group to use as prizes (to draw more people in) rather than give them back to the members.
When BG found out and cancelled them all you encouraged your members to post all over the internet how bad the place is.
PS also cancelled your and ALL your admins accounts for it didn't they.
Not as squeaky clean as you would like people to believe.
Barry French runs the myVegas Friends Facebook group. His fan group has been terminated by Playstudios the company which owns myVegas after learning about his extortion plot on Vegas Rover which the Las Vegas FBI has a current case file. Barry lives in the UK. The other person posting heretobustfraud is John Flores who is located in Australia and use to work for Vegas.com. Neither have ever been a Vegas Rover card member. They have emailed or made multiple harassing calls to our partners. We have notified all current and new partners and provided documentation.
Barry French Extortion
http://i59.tinypic.com/2rdj15g.jpg
John Flores has a criminal history which makes it laughable he is "heretibustfraud"
http://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetails.do;jsessionid=345888249C3699A00ADB3F8370801323.render6?caseNo=2000CM001663&countyNo=30&cacheId=2B85CBA7D3AC21845B2B0BBFA0326BB9&recordCount=64&offset=49&mode=details&submit=View+Case+Details
Quote: BazaBrad / John. Why not tell everyone here what really happened with the Border Grill..
You want the truth... You can't handle the truth... Or can you?
As many of you know, Vegas Rover held an official meet in Las Vegas, Nevada during February 24th to the 27th 2013. During that time Vegas Rover held numerous meet-up’s at different locations, several of them contracted, such as the meet at Border Grill. I am writing this letter to you after speaking with co-found Brad Baker and several attendees of the event at Border Grill.
When reviewing possible locations Vegas Rover considered both mgm and non mgm properties. In the end, the decision was made for the primary meet to be held at Border Grill Las Vegas. We thought it best to choose the border grill during brunch time so that if members had a MyVegas voucher, they could eat with there, friend, spouse or loved one at no to little cost. Because of the possible volume of use on these vouchers and best facilitate a potentially large group coming, we notified the Border Grill months in advance. Brad spoke with Destiny Hampton, who is the Banquet/Catering/Sales/Special Events manager for border grill. She proposed that we use the downstairs function area of the Border Grill facility and that the usual brunch be served family style. They also proposed that the MyVegas Border Grill vouchers could still be used for this family style brunch. (Please note that Border Grill receives 100% cash for these comps from MGM.) To make things easier they requested to limit the menu in the type of items placed on the table. To this we accepted. They offered for an additional $5, patrons could have unlimited “bottomless” mimosas with their brunch. They also stated that a mandatory 18% gratuity charge would be charged to each patron who came to the brunch.
We were contractually obligated to bring a minimum of 55 people (the amount of people we would personally have to pay for if not enough people showed up.) Other than this minimum, Border Grill was contractually obligated to provide seating and food for up to 70 people. To further facilitate a smooth event, Brad Baker met with the Border Grill manager Destiny Hampton 2 days before the event to do a walk through and confirm that the number of people was growing and had reached 70. She stated they would have seating for 70 as agreed and could set for more if the numbers increased. She also said she would be working the day of the event.
On February 24th, the day of the meet which was supposed to begin at 12pm. Brad Baker arrived per private party – non decorated facility industry norms, 1 hour early to make sure things were setup correctly for the event. This is usually when a catering manager would arrive for scheduled event as well, however Destiny did not arrive until 11:40am and she had left by 12:30pm. By job definition a catering manager should be at an event the entire time and within visible range of the event host. On-top of her tardiness the border grill had failed to setup for 70 people as contractually promised. After the event had started Border Grill had to pull tables in from the patio and attempt to setup for guests which had already arrived. The guests were made to wait standing while these tables were found. Brad Baker and other attendees than had to flag down staff in order to find chairs for the tables they had brought in, set and left. Destiny left the group with only one server for 70 people, not nearly enough food, and not enough champagne. And to the shock of many guests with comps, they assessed an unannounced tax which was stated as waived on the description of the comp.
The so called “family-style” dishes were tiny plates of food that were expected to be shared with 4 people. They failed to provide utensils to grab things except for on one of the dishes. The border grills all you can eat brunch turned into one serving only, if you were lucky. The food was served unexpectedly in courses, so if a guest was not sat right away, they missed out on the majority of the food. When guests asked for more food, they were told it was on its way, however no more food ever arrived. Even simple requests for water glasses to be filled were never met.
By 1:15 pm, those who had purchased the bottomless mimosas were unable to get anymore as the Border Grill claimed to have run out of champagne. This is by definition, a bait and switch. The Staff began rushing everyone out of the event and breaking things down by 1:45. We had in contract the facility until as late as 2:30pm.
Brad Baker the entire event trying to work with staff to provide more food and beverages to the attendees without success. Brad himself was unable to even eat any of the food provided at the event because of the gross mismanagement of the event by Border Grill.
After the event was over, brad pulled the only server aside for the event and asked what he could do to resolute the situation. The server stated that Brad should document everything and that Destiny had been shorthanded and these issues have happened many times previously.
A young assistant manager that had no communication with Brad before or any information regarding the finer details of the event began to try and defend the border grill for their poor service and breach of agreement. She was unfortunately poorly trained and before even speaking with the catering manager destiny, began to make up lies in defense of Border Grill. The border grill admittedly only provided food for 55 people and did not make any additional food for all the additional attendees as promised. The manager made no excuse or apology for the lack of mimosas.
At Brad Bakers request, the manager stated they would forward the complaints to Destiny Hampton and that Destiny would contact him. At 6pm that day Destiny called Brad Baker and claimed they served a lot of food and that there was no way anyone was shorted, even though the other manager admitted to only having enough food for 55 people. Destin was very rude and condescending on the phone with Brad Baker. As to the mimosas running out, Destiny stated she would speak with the general manager. Brad Baker never received a call back from Destiny/Border Grill for period of 4 days, after which Brad decided to appear in person on Thursday Feb 28th after speaking with me on the phone.
The Following statement listed below is directly from Brad Baker
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“I went to the Border Grill to try and speak to the general manager. From the moment we started to talk he was defensive and would not listen to me. I asked him if we could sit down and talk somewhere quiet. He called over Destiny to our table. Everything we agreed to she basically said was wrong. She claimed they served the right amount of food, but how could she know when she left 30 minutes into the event without letting us know she was leaving.
I started to tell the GM and Destiny about what the server had told me about being short handed and to document everything. The GM immediately called the server over to our table and now it was 3 people on one side of the table and me on the other. The server was scared to mention what really happened, because I am sure she was fearful of her job. She admitted to stating to “document everything,” but was hesitant to mention this has happened before. About 3 minutes later the district manager Kent arrives at our table and is filled in on the situation. The tone immediately changes and he asks the GM why didn't they just bring more food out and why did they run out of champagne. He agreed this is not the type of service that represents the Border Grill. He apologized and they asked how they could make this right to us. I told him we would like 1/2 of the amount for the brunches and a full refund on the mimosas. We would refund the members their tax money, mimosas and gratuity with that.
Chris Mazza the GM said that should not be a problem but only wanted to refund 1/2 the cost of the Mimosas. He told me they would call me back later that day with a resolution and I could come by to pick things up that night. About 5 hours later I receive a phone call from the GM letting me know they would like to have everyone come back to the Border Grill because of the poor experience. He said they would rather issue us 70 vouchers including mimosas, no expiration date instead of the cash refund. I agreed to that after talking to John, but requested some money for postage and envelopes to mail out the vouchers to members and he agreed. HE told me to stop by at 2PM the next day to pick everything up.
I arrived at 2PM to collect our vouchers and $88. Chris was very friendly and had me sign a petty cash slip for the money. I told Chris this was going to be a great thing for Border Grill and the members would be happy. I told him some members would probably not being going back and we would like to give those vouchers away to other members in giveaways. He had no objection and wanted this situation to be resolved and case closed. We shook hands and away I went.
*******End of Brad Baker Statement*******
On March 3rd, Brad Baker made a post on the Vegas Rover Facebook group page that stated attendees of the Vegas Rover Official Meet at Border Grill Las Vegas had until March 31’st to contact him to receive a free voucher for Border Grill brunch with bottomless mimosas as a resolution to the food and champagne issue we experienced at the meet. He asked that any attendees that were not considering returning to Vegas in the near future, consider donating the vouchers as prizes for contests. He made it clear that this was up to the discretion of the attendee. He also stated that the vouchers could not be sold, traded, or gifted and that the attendee’s name would be printed on them to prevent misuse.
On Thursday, March 7th Brad mailed out the first batch of vouchers to attendees.
Based on the number of people who said they did not want their voucher thus far, we issued our first completely free to participate in contest on our MVFD Facebook Page and in the Vegas Rover group which was to be drawn this weekend.
On Friday, March 8th Brad received a phone call from Chris Mazza the General Manager of Border Grill. He asked Brad if we were giving vouchers out to other members not at the meet. I reminded him we agreed to give vouchers out to another member if someone did not want their voucher. Chris started to get completely unprofessional and downright nasty and stated all the vouchers are now void. He stated he received an anonymous letters from someone who claimed that the 70 group members were trying to defraud the Border Grill. He then preceded to hang up the phone on Brad in mid conversation.
Brad called Border Grill corporate office and spoke with Kent the district manager that was at the meeting on Thursday to let him know what had just happened. Kent told him that he would find out what’s going on and call him back.
Kent called Brad back a couple hours later and let him know they had received 2 emails/facebook messages from a person who’s name will be withheld for the time being and someone else unnamed stating that we are con artists and the Border Grill had been "had" by the members and founders of the group. They also stated we are selling the vouchers, which is completely unfounded and untrue. Kent read the email word for word and mentioned who the message was from.
An amicable solution regarding the already issued vouchers could not be reached and as such, they still remain null and void as stated by Chris Mazza, GM of Border Grill.
With that said, all Border Grill Vouchers sent out as of Thursday, March 7th, 2013 will no longer be valid. We have no solution for this issue at this time.
The contest posted on the MVFD Facebook page will have a substituted prize with a value of $40 and zero cents in the form of a gift card with either the Master Card or Visa logo.
We would look like to formally exonerate MyVegas/ Play Studios and make sure that people understand that this has nothing to do with them. They cannot offer any resolution or information regarding this as it does not pertain to them.
I personally find the actions of Border Grill to show gross misconduct in the facilitation, handling and resolution of the Vegas Rover Official Meet. They have failed to make amends or restitution for their actions and mismanagement of the event. They have chosen to be completely unprofessional and fall for ploys of deceit from 2 malicious parties without any justification or proof of their statements. I am truly saddened that they feel justified to try and tarnish my name and reputation.
I have a proposal for you....
To gain the trust of the many forum members who might purchase your card....
Give 3 free cards out...... One to me (doctor who is a low budget gambler, who generally does not take advantage of such offers)
One to AxelWolf (well known Advantage Player)
One to Mike (The Wizard.... best man to analyze the added value the card can truly bring)
The $30 you would be forgoing, if your card is the real deal, would be made up by the likely hundreds of additional sales if the 3 of us post positive reports about your card. If you are not willing to make this small investment, it will speak volumes...
Hoping to see you in early January.....
Quote: SOOPOOHi guys.... First of all as forum members I would like to meet you guys at the get together we are planning on January 9. All members are welcome, and I'm trying to nail down the specifics.
I have a proposal for you....
To gain the trust of the many forum members who might purchase your card....
Give 3 free cards out...... One to me (doctor who is a low budget gambler, who generally does not take advantage of such offers)
One to AxelWolf (well known Advantage Player)
One to Mike (The Wizard.... best man to analyze the added value the card can truly bring)
The $30 you would be forgoing, if your card is the real deal, would be made up by the likely hundreds of additional sales if the 3 of us post positive reports about your card. If you are not willing to make this small investment, it will speak volumes...
Hoping to see you in early January.....
I would absolutely love to meet you all on Jan 9th and comp 3 cards for you Basic for you, Gold for AxelWolf, and Emerald for The Wizard. We can all redeem rewards together it would be fun. I will create the gift codes so you can redeem online.
Quote: ohiovegasguyThanks for sharing Barry,
Barry French runs the myVegas Friends Facebook group. His fan group has been terminated by Playstudios the company which owns myVegas after learning about his extortion plot on Vegas Rover which the Las Vegas FBI has a current case file. Barry lives in the UK. The other person posting heretobustfraud is John Flores who is located in Australia and use to work for Vegas.com. Neither have ever been a Vegas Rover card member. They have emailed or made multiple harassing calls to our partners. We have notified all current and new partners and provided documentation.
Barry French Extortion
http://i59.tinypic.com/2rdj15g.jpg
John Flores has a criminal history which makes it laughable he is "heretibustfraud"
http://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetails.do;jsessionid=345888249C3699A00ADB3F8370801323.render6?caseNo=2000CM001663&countyNo=30&cacheId=2B85CBA7D3AC21845B2B0BBFA0326BB9&recordCount=64&offset=49&mode=details&submit=View+Case+Details
Sorry Brad but PS terminated our approved status for a particular thread we had in the group.
Do you have proof to back up your theory?
I still have the Email sent from PS to prove what im saying.
Quote: VRJOHNYou want the truth... You can't handle the truth... Or can you?
As many of you know, Vegas Rover held an official meet in Las Vegas, Nevada during February 24th to the 27th 2013. During that time Vegas Rover held numerous meet-up’s at different locations, several of them contracted, such as the meet at Border Grill. I am writing this letter to you after speaking with co-found Brad Baker and several attendees of the event at Border Grill.
When reviewing possible locations Vegas Rover considered both mgm and non mgm properties. In the end, the decision was made for the primary meet to be held at Border Grill Las Vegas. We thought it best to choose the border grill during brunch time so that if members had a MyVegas voucher, they could eat with there, friend, spouse or loved one at no to little cost. Because of the possible volume of use on these vouchers and best facilitate a potentially large group coming, we notified the Border Grill months in advance. Brad spoke with Destiny Hampton, who is the Banquet/Catering/Sales/Special Events manager for border grill. She proposed that we use the downstairs function area of the Border Grill facility and that the usual brunch be served family style. They also proposed that the MyVegas Border Grill vouchers could still be used for this family style brunch. (Please note that Border Grill receives 100% cash for these comps from MGM.) To make things easier they requested to limit the menu in the type of items placed on the table. To this we accepted. They offered for an additional $5, patrons could have unlimited “bottomless” mimosas with their brunch. They also stated that a mandatory 18% gratuity charge would be charged to each patron who came to the brunch.
We were contractually obligated to bring a minimum of 55 people (the amount of people we would personally have to pay for if not enough people showed up.) Other than this minimum, Border Grill was contractually obligated to provide seating and food for up to 70 people. To further facilitate a smooth event, Brad Baker met with the Border Grill manager Destiny Hampton 2 days before the event to do a walk through and confirm that the number of people was growing and had reached 70. She stated they would have seating for 70 as agreed and could set for more if the numbers increased. She also said she would be working the day of the event.
On February 24th, the day of the meet which was supposed to begin at 12pm. Brad Baker arrived per private party – non decorated facility industry norms, 1 hour early to make sure things were setup correctly for the event. This is usually when a catering manager would arrive for scheduled event as well, however Destiny did not arrive until 11:40am and she had left by 12:30pm. By job definition a catering manager should be at an event the entire time and within visible range of the event host. On-top of her tardiness the border grill had failed to setup for 70 people as contractually promised. After the event had started Border Grill had to pull tables in from the patio and attempt to setup for guests which had already arrived. The guests were made to wait standing while these tables were found. Brad Baker and other attendees than had to flag down staff in order to find chairs for the tables they had brought in, set and left. Destiny left the group with only one server for 70 people, not nearly enough food, and not enough champagne. And to the shock of many guests with comps, they assessed an unannounced tax which was stated as waived on the description of the comp.
The so called “family-style” dishes were tiny plates of food that were expected to be shared with 4 people. They failed to provide utensils to grab things except for on one of the dishes. The border grills all you can eat brunch turned into one serving only, if you were lucky. The food was served unexpectedly in courses, so if a guest was not sat right away, they missed out on the majority of the food. When guests asked for more food, they were told it was on its way, however no more food ever arrived. Even simple requests for water glasses to be filled were never met.
By 1:15 pm, those who had purchased the bottomless mimosas were unable to get anymore as the Border Grill claimed to have run out of champagne. This is by definition, a bait and switch. The Staff began rushing everyone out of the event and breaking things down by 1:45. We had in contract the facility until as late as 2:30pm.
Brad Baker the entire event trying to work with staff to provide more food and beverages to the attendees without success. Brad himself was unable to even eat any of the food provided at the event because of the gross mismanagement of the event by Border Grill.
After the event was over, brad pulled the only server aside for the event and asked what he could do to resolute the situation. The server stated that Brad should document everything and that Destiny had been shorthanded and these issues have happened many times previously.
A young assistant manager that had no communication with Brad before or any information regarding the finer details of the event began to try and defend the border grill for their poor service and breach of agreement. She was unfortunately poorly trained and before even speaking with the catering manager destiny, began to make up lies in defense of Border Grill. The border grill admittedly only provided food for 55 people and did not make any additional food for all the additional attendees as promised. The manager made no excuse or apology for the lack of mimosas.
At Brad Bakers request, the manager stated they would forward the complaints to Destiny Hampton and that Destiny would contact him. At 6pm that day Destiny called Brad Baker and claimed they served a lot of food and that there was no way anyone was shorted, even though the other manager admitted to only having enough food for 55 people. Destin was very rude and condescending on the phone with Brad Baker. As to the mimosas running out, Destiny stated she would speak with the general manager. Brad Baker never received a call back from Destiny/Border Grill for period of 4 days, after which Brad decided to appear in person on Thursday Feb 28th after speaking with me on the phone.
The Following statement listed below is directly from Brad Baker
*********-----------------------------*********
“I went to the Border Grill to try and speak to the general manager. From the moment we started to talk he was defensive and would not listen to me. I asked him if we could sit down and talk somewhere quiet. He called over Destiny to our table. Everything we agreed to she basically said was wrong. She claimed they served the right amount of food, but how could she know when she left 30 minutes into the event without letting us know she was leaving.
I started to tell the GM and Destiny about what the server had told me about being short handed and to document everything. The GM immediately called the server over to our table and now it was 3 people on one side of the table and me on the other. The server was scared to mention what really happened, because I am sure she was fearful of her job. She admitted to stating to “document everything,” but was hesitant to mention this has happened before. About 3 minutes later the district manager Kent arrives at our table and is filled in on the situation. The tone immediately changes and he asks the GM why didn't they just bring more food out and why did they run out of champagne. He agreed this is not the type of service that represents the Border Grill. He apologized and they asked how they could make this right to us. I told him we would like 1/2 of the amount for the brunches and a full refund on the mimosas. We would refund the members their tax money, mimosas and gratuity with that.
Chris Mazza the GM said that should not be a problem but only wanted to refund 1/2 the cost of the Mimosas. He told me they would call me back later that day with a resolution and I could come by to pick things up that night. About 5 hours later I receive a phone call from the GM letting me know they would like to have everyone come back to the Border Grill because of the poor experience. He said they would rather issue us 70 vouchers including mimosas, no expiration date instead of the cash refund. I agreed to that after talking to John, but requested some money for postage and envelopes to mail out the vouchers to members and he agreed. HE told me to stop by at 2PM the next day to pick everything up.
I arrived at 2PM to collect our vouchers and $88. Chris was very friendly and had me sign a petty cash slip for the money. I told Chris this was going to be a great thing for Border Grill and the members would be happy. I told him some members would probably not being going back and we would like to give those vouchers away to other members in giveaways. He had no objection and wanted this situation to be resolved and case closed. We shook hands and away I went.
*******End of Brad Baker Statement*******
On March 3rd, Brad Baker made a post on the Vegas Rover Facebook group page that stated attendees of the Vegas Rover Official Meet at Border Grill Las Vegas had until March 31’st to contact him to receive a free voucher for Border Grill brunch with bottomless mimosas as a resolution to the food and champagne issue we experienced at the meet. He asked that any attendees that were not considering returning to Vegas in the near future, consider donating the vouchers as prizes for contests. He made it clear that this was up to the discretion of the attendee. He also stated that the vouchers could not be sold, traded, or gifted and that the attendee’s name would be printed on them to prevent misuse.
On Thursday, March 7th Brad mailed out the first batch of vouchers to attendees.
Based on the number of people who said they did not want their voucher thus far, we issued our first completely free to participate in contest on our MVFD Facebook Page and in the Vegas Rover group which was to be drawn this weekend.
On Friday, March 8th Brad received a phone call from Chris Mazza the General Manager of Border Grill. He asked Brad if we were giving vouchers out to other members not at the meet. I reminded him we agreed to give vouchers out to another member if someone did not want their voucher. Chris started to get completely unprofessional and downright nasty and stated all the vouchers are now void. He stated he received an anonymous letters from someone who claimed that the 70 group members were trying to defraud the Border Grill. He then preceded to hang up the phone on Brad in mid conversation.
Brad called Border Grill corporate office and spoke with Kent the district manager that was at the meeting on Thursday to let him know what had just happened. Kent told him that he would find out what’s going on and call him back.
Kent called Brad back a couple hours later and let him know they had received 2 emails/facebook messages from a person who’s name will be withheld for the time being and someone else unnamed stating that we are con artists and the Border Grill had been "had" by the members and founders of the group. They also stated we are selling the vouchers, which is completely unfounded and untrue. Kent read the email word for word and mentioned who the message was from.
An amicable solution regarding the already issued vouchers could not be reached and as such, they still remain null and void as stated by Chris Mazza, GM of Border Grill.
With that said, all Border Grill Vouchers sent out as of Thursday, March 7th, 2013 will no longer be valid. We have no solution for this issue at this time.
The contest posted on the MVFD Facebook page will have a substituted prize with a value of $40 and zero cents in the form of a gift card with either the Master Card or Visa logo.
We would look like to formally exonerate MyVegas/ Play Studios and make sure that people understand that this has nothing to do with them. They cannot offer any resolution or information regarding this as it does not pertain to them.
I personally find the actions of Border Grill to show gross misconduct in the facilitation, handling and resolution of the Vegas Rover Official Meet. They have failed to make amends or restitution for their actions and mismanagement of the event. They have chosen to be completely unprofessional and fall for ploys of deceit from 2 malicious parties without any justification or proof of their statements. I am truly saddened that they feel justified to try and tarnish my name and reputation.
Why is it always someone else's fault with you guys.
Do you never take responsibility for your own actions
You also failed to mention the fact you encouraged your members to post bad reviews all over the internet.
Quote: ohiovegasguyI would absolutely love to meet you all on Jan 9th and comp 3 cards for you Basic for you, Gold for AxelWolf, and Emerald for The Wizard. We can all redeem rewards together it would be fun. I will create the gift codes so you can redeem online.
Thank you. I will let you know when and where after Mike gets back to me.
Quote: ohiovegasguyIs it possible to have the Admins do something about Baza and heretobustfraud?
Why? Im speaking the truth.
You cant delete every negative comment about Rovers and then tell everyone you have had zero complaints.
See how they work everyone.......
Can I have the case number for it. (if it exists lol)
Please show us some real proof
Quote: ohiovegasguyI would absolutely love to meet you all on Jan 9th and comp 3 cards for you Basic for you, Gold for AxelWolf, and Emerald for The Wizard. We can all redeem rewards together it would be fun. I will create the gift codes so you can redeem online.
This is the way to go.
I have been following this thread since I plunked down 10. Its only 10, pretty cheap, 1 pai gow bet:-)
A little taken aback at all the bickering.
What impresses me is a meet coming up and looks like an agreement to test the card.
looking forward to the results.
The people attacking the card, we hear you. Dont have to post the same story over and over.
I hear you, I have been warned.
People make mistakes. Maybe its a indicator of the future, maybe its all in the past.
Going forward, what do detractors think of a test.
Afterall the bottom line is will it be worth it.
An upcoming test is the way to go. Wov members and Rover Vegas card test. Is a detractor planning on attending also?
Quote: terapinedThis is the way to go.
I have been following this thread since I plunked down 10. Its only 10, pretty cheap, 1 pai gow bet:-)
A little taken aback at all the bickering.
What impresses me is a meet coming up and looks like an agreement to test the card.
looking forward to the results.
The people attacking the card, we hear you. Dont have to post the same story over and over.
I hear you, I have been warned.
People make mistakes. Maybe its a indicator of the future, maybe its all in the past.
Going forward, what do detractors think of a test.
Afterall the bottom line is will it be worth it.
An upcoming test is the way to go. Wov members and Rover Vegas card test. Is a detractor planning on attending also?
Vegas Rover is ready for the challenge! How about some videos while redeeming rewards? Oct 26-28 Vegas Rover held a 150 member meet in Las Vegas. Started at Tuscany with a $5,300 Video Poker tournament (250% Payout 100 entered $20 each) then we moved the meet to the D who held a Sigma Derby Tournament and a slot tournament for us. Vegas Rover is all about meets!
Quote: BazaWhy is it always someone else's fault with you guys.
Do you never take responsibility for your own actrions
We take responsibility where responsibility is due. The issue was with Border Grill was Border Grills negligence, which compounded into bigger issues because of your admins. You're a known self-proclaimed extortionist Barry and everyone in this forum can clearly read what you wrote. Your actions speak for themselves.
Regards,
John Moura
CEO
Vegas Rover Ltd
Quote: vegasloverI read these threads often and get alot of great vegas info. Today I decided I needed to speak up. What kind of business men who own a company and are trying to gather new members act like you too guys? The trashing of other people you are doing is so unprofessional. I would never think of doing business with people that are acting the way you guys are acting. Very sad to see the way business men think its appropriate to act.
From an independent observer, what is your take on a JAN 9 test by trusted WOV members?
If detractors ignore upcoming test an keep trashing, then its starting to look like trolling
If they give their take on an upcoming test, I am all ears.
Quote: VRJOHNWe take responsibility where responsibility is due. The issue was with Border Grill was Border Grills negligence, which compounded into bigger issues because of your admins. You're a known self-proclaimed extortionist Barry and everyone in this forum can clearly read what you wrote. Your actions speak for themselves.
Regards,
John Moura
CEO
Vegas Rover Ltd
So the issue was NOTHING to do with you keeping members vouchers and giving them away then?
or the fact you had your members trash them all over the internet
read this
http://www.vegasmessageboard.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-91088.html
Quote: BazaSo the issue was NOTHING to do with you keeping members vouchers and giving them away then?
Barry, please go re-read my previous post regarding Border Grill. What's written in my message is exactly what happened. Sorry it's not your fairy tale thrown together ending you wanted.
Regards,
John Moura
CEO
Vegas Rover Ltd
Quote: terapinedFrom an independent observer, what is your take on a JAN 9 test by trusted WOV members?
If detractors ignore upcoming test an keep trashing, then its starting to look like trolling
If they give their take on an upcoming test, I am all ears.
To me at this point if the card is of value or not is pointless because I would not get into a business situation with people who act like this. Just my opinion.
Quote: BazaSo the issue was NOTHING to do with you keeping members vouchers and giving them away then?
Baza, you keep repeating yourself.
how bout something new.
What is your take on the upcoming test?
Not pro or con, trying to gather more info.
Quote: vegasloverTo me at this point if the card is of value or not is pointless because I would not get into a business situation with people who act like this. Just my opinion.
Thats totally absurd. Cmon. Are you kidding me.
The value of the card is the whole point.
Quote: VRJOHNBarry, please go re-read my previous post regarding Border Grill. What's written in my message is exactly what happened. Sorry it's not your fairy tale thrown together ending you wanted.
Regards,
John Moura
CEO
Vegas Rover Ltd
So why did you all lose your accounts with Playstudios.?
Quote: terapinedThats totally absurd. Cmon. Are you kidding me.
The value of the card is the whole point.
This whole board seems to have turned into a bunch of assholes. You asked my opinion if you dont like it or agree with it then that's your business but you dont have to call my opinion absurd. How about I say you can shove all your comments up your ass?
Quote: vegasloverThis whole board seems to have turned into a bunch of assholes. You asked my opinion if you dont like it or agree with it then that's your business but you dont have to call my comment absurd. How about I say you can shove all your comments up your ass?
Do the detractors have a comment on the above comment :-)
Do the detractors have a comment on the test?
Baza? Hereto? Not pro or con here just want an opinion on upcoming test.
The bottom line, is the card worth it?
Quote: terapinedDo the detractors have a comment on the above comment :-)
Do the detractors have a comment on the test?
Baza? Hereto? Not pro or con here just want an opinion on upcoming test.
The bottom line, is the card worth it?
Well according to Brad/John they have 1000's of members so finding all those positive reviews should be easy.
Quote: terapinedDo the detractors have a comment on the above comment :-)
Do the detractors have a comment on the test?
Baza? Hereto? Not pro or con here just want an opinion on upcoming test.
The bottom line, is the card worth it?
Vegas Rover has the deals loaded and ready for the test... We will make sure anyone attending the meet is set up with a deals card.
Quote: strictlyAPUnless I missed it were axels questions answered. - do you accept PayPal? Prepaid credit cards?
Yeah were answered on page 11 at this time December 21st, 2014 at 5:53:38 AM . This thread is just getting a little out of hand with all the accusations being thrown around and having to defend against it its basically making it impossible to find anything.
Quote: vegasloverThis whole board seems to have turned into a bunch of assholes. You asked my opinion if you dont like it or agree with it then that's your business but you dont have to call my opinion absurd. How about I say you can shove all your comments up your ass?
Looks like we have the first casualty coming up.
