Craps - die lands on edge...
Shooter threw and one of the die ended up stuck between two chips, with the edge pointing exactly straight up. EXACTLY STRAIGHT UP. Stickman deferred to the boxman, who called it a seven, probably because the face that made it a seven was facing him. My point of view was straight along the edge of the die.
Nobody else said anything, but I was just disgusted, said, "ARE YOU KIDDING ME?", picked up my chips and took a walk.
I hadn't ever seen that situation before, but is your experience that in a similar situation, the guy will call a no roll; was this guy kind of a jerk, or was I just on tilt? Maybe I should have asked him to walk around to my side of the table and take a look...
Quote: ChuckLast trip I was playing craps and generally getting my ass kicked.
Shooter threw and one of the die ended up stuck between two chips, with the edge pointing exactly straight up. EXACTLY STRAIGHT UP. Stickman deferred to the boxman, who called it a seven, probably because the face that made it a seven was facing him. My point of view was straight along the edge of the die.
Nobody else said anything, but I was just disgusted, said, "ARE YOU KIDDING ME?", picked up my chips and took a walk.
I hadn't ever seen that situation before, but is your experience that in a similar situation, the guy will call a no roll; was this guy kind of a jerk, or was I just on tilt? Maybe I should have asked him to walk around to my side of the table and take a look...
It's never a "no roll" in my experience unless it leaves the felt or ends up in the bank. The official rule is that it's called wherever it would fall if the obstacle(s) are removed. Very much a judgment call if it looked close. You're probably right in that the face was looking at him so he went with that. Sorry about the luck.
Quote: cclub79It's never a "no roll" in my experience unless it leaves the felt or ends up in the bank. The official rule is that it's called wherever it would fall if the obstacle(s) are removed. Very much a judgment call if it looked close. You're probably right in that the face was looking at him so he went with that. Sorry about the luck.
Hey, I was there. Same thing happen except the boxman called a point instead of a 7. I was on the don't and wanted a 7. Unless the dice are involved with the house money(the bank) they are are suppose to let gravity take effect in their decision. When the obstruction is removed the dice fall is the call.
What made it worse was after I cooled down, I had to play at the same table because it was the only one with any action, heh.
If it ever happens again, I'm gonna ask the boxman to take a look from a different angle.
Once, it could be either 7 or 9. The floorman looked at the bets, saw few bets on the 9, nobody on the donts, and pulled the stack that caused it to fall to a 9. If it hadn't fallen, THEN it would have been a 7.
The other time it was called a no roll.
Quote: cclub79It's never a "no roll" in my experience unless it leaves the felt or ends up in the bank. The official rule is that it's called wherever it would fall if the obstacle(s) are removed. Very much a judgment call if it looked close. You're probably right in that the face was looking at him so he went with that. Sorry about the luck.
I was the only Don't Pass player at a very crowded table when one of the dice landed at an angle up against the back wall which was right in front of me. There was nothing that the dealer or pit boss could move to see which way the die would fall. The Pit boss came over and called a 7 out. When everyone started yelling and screaming that the call was wrong, the Pit boss changed his ruling and said 'no roll'. The stick man gave the dice to the shooter. I protested to the Pit Boss and said you know that was a 7 out. The Pit Boss didn't realize that I was the only Don't player at the table. He told the dealer to pay me for the 7 out even though he called 'NO ROLL'.
Everyone was happy. I got paid and the rest of the table was still in the game. I don't remember if the shooter made his point. All I remember is that I got paid.
Quote: FatGeezusI was the only Don't Pass player at a very crowded table when one of the dice landed at an angle up against the back wall which was right in front of me. There was nothing that the dealer or pit boss could move to see which way the die would fall. The Pit boss came over and called a 7 out. When everyone started yelling and screaming that the call was wrong, the Pit boss changed his ruling and said 'no roll'. The stick man gave the dice to the shooter. I protested to the Pit Boss and said you know that was a 7 out. The Pit Boss didn't realize that I was the only Don't player at the table. He told the dealer to pay me for the 7 out even though he called 'NO ROLL'.
Everyone was happy. I got paid and the rest of the table was still in the game. I don't remember if the shooter made his point. All I remember is that I got paid.
Again, we are shown how a simple gesture that costs the casino less than a free buffet can make someone want to return. If only all Bosses were like that.
I have always thought that since the base dealer is responsible to make sure that there is "air" between cheques on the craps table in the self service areas, any cocked or suspended die or dice in any other area should be a no roll, which it is not.
The rules should be changed so both dice must sit flat on the table to be a roll. That would be fine with me, then no one could complain.
Once I saw a "through the wall" type shooter have both dice land in the hardway boxes, 6 and 8 to be exact, right on their edges between bets, stick asked Box the call and he called it hard 6. We all cheered of course.
The very next roll one landed in the same spot but was called easy six.
Im sure stranger things have happened.
And, instead of leaving in a bad mood, FatGeezus got paid, and in all likelihood gave it back, and then some.Quote: cclub79Again, we are shown how a simple gesture that costs the casino less than a free buffet can make someone want to return. If only all Bosses were like that.
Yeah, that's the smart gamble for the pit boss.
C'mon... Some people would still complain.Quote: 7winnerThe rules should be changed so both dice must sit flat on the table to be a roll. That would be fine with me, then no one could complain.
Besides, there are too many rolls where one or both dice are slightly angled. You can't call them all no-roll - it would slow things down too much. Even where it's obvious which way it would fall, and would fall to a 7-out, the only complaints come from players that haven't heard the rule before.
Quote: DJTeddyBearAnd, instead of leaving in a bad mood, FatGeezus got paid, and in all likelihood gave it back, and then some.
Yeah, that's the smart gamble for the pit boss.
Wrong Wrong Wrong
I knew it was time to leave --- and I did!
Really? The pit boss does you a big favor, and you then leave? Did you at least leave a tip?Quote: FatGeezusWrong Wrong Wrong
I knew it was time to leave --- and I did!
Quote: DJTeddyBearReally? The pit boss does you a big favor, and you then leave? Did you at least leave a tip?
I don't see it as the pit boss doing him a favour, but as the pit boss doing the right thing. Either way, he doesn't owe the pit boss anything. He did good by leaving with his winnings.
By making two different calls - one for the regular players, and one for this single player on the don't, the pit boss absolutly was doing SOMEBODY a favor...
Quote: DJTeddyBearThe "Right thing" would be to make a single call, hopefully the right call, but one call for everyone.
By making two different calls - one for the regular players, and one for this single player on the don't, the pit boss absolutly was doing SOMEBODY a favor...
You are absolutely 100% correct. The right call was the first call that the Pit Boss made--7 OUT!!!
It wasn't clear in my original post but the dealer nearest the die called 7 OUT and when the players protested, the Boxman came over to say 7 OUT and finally when everyone still protested and called for the Pit Boss to come over and call it, he said 7 OUT. That's 3 people that called 7 OUT.
He did everyone else at the table a favor by changing his call to NO ROLL. He didn't do me any favor by changing his call. He knew he made a wrong call to satisfy everyone at the table, not realizing that I was on the Don't. It was the wrong call and that's why he paid me.
Yeah, now I can't blame you for leaving after that incedent.
I take back anything I said about how you should have stayed and/or at least threw in a tip.
Quote: FatGeezusI was the only Don't Pass player at a very crowded table when one of the dice landed at an angle up against the back wall which was right in front of me. There was nothing that the dealer or pit boss could move to see which way the die would fall. The Pit boss came over and called a 7 out. When everyone started yelling and screaming that the call was wrong, the Pit boss changed his ruling and said 'no roll'. The stick man gave the dice to the shooter. I protested to the Pit Boss and said you know that was a 7 out. The Pit Boss didn't realize that I was the only Don't player at the table. He told the dealer to pay me for the 7 out even though he called 'NO ROLL'.
Everyone was happy. I got paid and the rest of the table was still in the game. I don't remember if the shooter made his point. All I remember is that I got paid.
Where were you?
