Putting more "Sin" into Sin City
Las Vegas has been trying to promote itself as "Sin City" once again, instead of a family destination. Their main advertising campaign is "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas," with great commercials which suggest that Vegas is a wonderfully wicked adult playground.
So what can Las Vegas do (legally) to put a little more "sin" into Sin City? Would they ever really consider topless table games? Or an absolutely "adult only" casino where kids can't even walk through the front doors? How about a strip club inside a major Las Vegas casino.
Most importantly, would these or other sinful ideas really draw in more crowds and more money for Las Vegas?
btw that is an ingenious advertising campaign IMO.
Quote: gamblerAnother thread spin off where members were talking about Topless Blackjack or tables games.
Las Vegas has been trying to promote itself as "Sin City" once again, instead of a family destination. Their main advertising campaign is "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas," with great commercials which suggest that Vegas is a wonderfully wicked adult playground.
So what can Las Vegas do (legally) to put a little more "sin" into Sin City? Would they ever really consider topless table games? Or an absolutely "adult only" casino where kids can't even walk through the front doors? How about a strip club inside a major Las Vegas casino.
Most importantly, would these or other sinful ideas really draw in more crowds and more money for Las Vegas?
How about the ultimate "Gentleman's Club" where you could have legal prostitutes in a viewing room, like Amsterdam? Would require a change in NV Law, but why not?
Legal Drugs.
Maybe we need more supernatural slot machines like the one in the Twlight Zone episode.
Quote: pacomartinMarijuana, for any use, is illegal under federal law. It is not in the power of a state to legalize marijuana.
True. But it doesn't get more sinful than drugs.
BTW I meant all drugs, not just pot.
Yes, they put the female crew in bikinis! That increases the house advantage.Quote: PapaChubbyDid they do something to increase the house advantage?
Actually this 'sin back in sin city' won't be done by legislation, it will be done by the flexible barriers on prostitutes. Its simple, its effective and the law can be modified by the casinos far faster and cheaper than they could ever get it modified by the legislature.
Quote: pacomartinMarijuana, for any use, is illegal under federal law. It is not in the power of a state to legalize marijuana.
California will vote on whether to fully legalize marijuana in November. Polls indicate the initiative is likely to pass. The feds have largely backed off the war on drugs at least in regards to marijuana, and have let states decriminalize possession of small amounts. They could still step in, but that seems unlikely with Obama in the White House.
I think marijuana is much less destructive than alcohol or tobacco and should be decriminalized or legalized for adults. I am uncomfortable with going beyond that and legalizing other drug use.
Quote: pacomartinMarijuana, for any use, is illegal under federal law. It is not in the power of a state to legalize marijuana.
Clearly something is going on anyway. What's the current situation in California especially, but also other places?
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They raise the table minimums.Quote: PapaChubbyI heard there is a craps table downtown with a bikini-clad female crew. Has anyone encountered this? Did they do something to increase the house advantage?
When I played at the Rio's Bikini BJ pit, about 8 years ago, it was $25 and the first time I had ever even heard of 6:5. I didn't even know it until I got BJ. I immediately left the pit.
Bikini craps? About all they can do is change the payouts on the junk in the middle and field 12. But unless they used a craps table that is dedicated to the bikini crew, or has NO printed payout info, how can they change it?
Quote: PapaChubbyI heard there is a craps table downtown with a bikini-clad female crew. Has anyone encountered this? Did they do something to increase the house advantage?
More bets on the Big 6 & 8, forcing the dealers to lean and reach across the table.
OK. Now THAT'S a good reason to take that crappy bet!Quote: seattlediceMore bets on the Big 6 & 8, forcing the dealers to lean and reach across the table.
Better yet, get rid of the Big 6/8, which only has them leaning over if a 6, 7, or 8 is thrown, and put in the 6/7/8 bet, which is a one-roll bet!
Quote: likeplayingcrapsandbjI go to Vegas about once a month. Since the last 12 months I have seen almost all of Downtown go to the bikini pit with some tables having bikini dealers. Same thing with the strip. Most have put in the party pits with dancers. I have not seen this with craps except for the dancers being with 15 feet of the craps table. Tell you the truth, it is a distraction. After a few minutes without my wife standing by me, I play the game and the dancers and loud music become a distraction.
the golden gate casino has a pretty good and efficiently run party pit where the dealers take turns dealing and dancing on the stage. also the majority of their table games happen to be located in this party pit.
2. Legalize drugs - all drugs would never happen, but marijuana and similar items (ala Holland coffee shops) really is realistic. This was on the Nevada ballot back in 6-7 years ago, but failed. Yes, I realize that this is a violation of federal law, but the feds have already announced they are no longer pursuing marijuana that's within state laws. California is likely to fully legalize MJ this fall anyway.
3. The party pits in casions should be expanded to full topless for those that have a desire to play in that environment. Make the odds a little worse if necessary, I'm sure it'd still be packed on a Fri/Sat night. The area should be closed off from the main casino so ladies (or men) that are offended or uncomfortable have the normal experience.
There has long been a war between the strip casinos and the strip clubs. The casinos just view them as a drain on money that is rightfully theirs. A group of guys come to Vegas with a couple of grand. They gamble a bit - maybe win a little. A portion of that $2K is reserved for going to the strip club, and the casinos don't like it.
Does anyone know what the legalities are regarding a casino hosting a strip club?
I just don't get it. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Quote: scotty81Does anyone know what the legalities are regarding a casino hosting a strip club?
Not sure, but I do recall Penthouse not so long ago looking into purchasing a strip casino (that is to say, a casino ON the strip). Sure enough, here's the story:
http://www.lvrj.com/news/34543539.html
Haven't heard much recently though...
Quote: pacomartinMarijuana, for any use, is illegal under federal law. It is not in the power of a state to legalize marijuana.
That isn't stopping California from trying...maybe if they succeed, Nevada can follow. Though, I suppose it would eliminate some of the draw to LV if it was also legal elsewhere.
It will never happen because the casinos and the politicians know that Casinos pay taxes, whorehouses do not. Even if the tax income from whorehouses were looked upon favorably, the casinos and politicians know that the casino revenue would fall. You can thirty pages of yellow pages ads for "Entertainers", you can have pornslappers, you can have locals driving around town having their young children ask them about certain interesting billboards, you have glowing pedestrians hawking whores, ... but you can't have legalized prostitution.Quote: ruascottI just don't get it. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Um...Quote: FleaStiffIt will never happen because the casinos and the politicians know that Casinos pay taxes, whorehouses do not.
Only whorehouses in areas where it's legal to operate, would operate legally and pay the tax.
Whorehouses that operate legally DO pay taxes.
Quote: DJTeddyBearUm...
Only whorehouses in areas where it's legal to operate, would operate legally and pay the tax.
Whorehouses that operate legally DO pay taxes.
i think he means the majority of tax revenue comes from casinos. so even though the state will be able to collect taxes off of more whorehouses, it might hurt the casinos overall operation and they dont want to do that since thats where the majority of the states revenue comes from.
Quote: FleaStiffIt will never happen because the casinos and the politicians know that Casinos pay taxes, whorehouses do not. Even if the tax income from whorehouses were looked upon favorably, the casinos and politicians know that the casino revenue would fall. You can thirty pages of yellow pages ads for "Entertainers", you can have pornslappers, you can have locals driving around town having their young children ask them about certain interesting billboards, you have glowing pedestrians hawking whores, ... but you can't have legalized prostitution.
This is rediculous....this would be true if "entertainers" weren't already swarming the city ready to service anybody that wanted. The industry is already there, its just entirely on the black market now. The Mayor has been pushing for this for at least the last 8 years. The casinos have been against it because they believe it would tarnish the family friendly image of LV that they were going towards for so many years. If anyone should really be against it, it would be the high-priced strip clubs in the area. Their business model would suffer greatly.
Casinos should stop trying to promote the 'family friendly' thing. When people visit as families, its a lot harder to gamble while behaving like a responsible family person.
Casinos nationwide are providing people a reason to gamble at home without the bother of going to Vegas. Many also provide a reasonable version of the Vegas show. Vegas needs a reason to get people to come to their casinos rather than the local casino.
Quote: DJTeddyBearStrip clubs would instantly convert into or relocate as brothels, so they wouldn't be against it.
No reason to convert. The two activities can coexist quite well, especially if they have girls who perform both functions. Think about it.
You're probably right. But I was responding to this comment:Quote: NareedNo reason to convert. The two activities can coexist quite well, especially if they have girls who perform both functions. Think about it.Quote: DJTeddyBearStrip clubs would instantly convert into or relocate as brothels, so they wouldn't be against it.
Whether it be co-existing, or conversion, the strip clubs aren't gonna object.Quote: ruascottIf anyone should really be against it, it would be the high-priced strip clubs in the area. Their business model would suffer greatly.
Quote: ruascottThis is rediculous....this would be true if "entertainers" weren't already swarming the city ready to service anybody that wanted. The industry is already there, its just entirely on the black market now. The Mayor has been pushing for this for at least the last 8 years. The casinos have been against it because they believe it would tarnish the family friendly image of LV that they were going towards for so many years. If anyone should really be against it, it would be the high-priced strip clubs in the area. Their business model would suffer greatly.
The casinos never pushed the "family friendly" image. In fact, they have always been against it. Adults who bring their kids to Vegas gamble less because they are spending more time and money on family activities. The "fun for the entire family" campaign---which was almost 20 years ago---was put out by the Visitors and Convention Bureau, which serves the interest of more than just the casinos.
As I discussed in another thread, legalization of prostitution in Las Vegas was proposed in the Nevada legislature in 2008, but it never made it to a vote. Politically, it's not going to happen because Las Vegas doesn't have enough pull in the legislature. The rural areas(which encompass every place except Vegas and Reno) aren't going to get on board with legalization of prostitution in Vegas for one of two reasons. Either they are populated largely by Mormons who are against all legalized prostitution, or they include counties that are small enough to have legalized brothels and that don't want to lose tax revenue to Las Vegas.
Quote: justbrentAs I discussed in another thread, legalization of prostitution in Las Vegas was proposed in the Nevada legislature in 2008, but it never made it to a vote. Politically, it's not going to happen because Las Vegas doesn't have enough pull in the legislature. The rural areas(which encompass every place except Vegas and Reno) aren't going to get on board with legalization of prostitution in Vegas for one of two reasons. Either they are populated largely by Mormons who are against all legalized prostitution, or they include counties that are small enough to have legalized brothels and that don't want to lose tax revenue to Las Vegas.
The best arguments towards legalizing "sins" like prostitution is that they are going on anyway. Legalizing them will help control the worst of the undesirable side effects (like disease, violence, and robbery).
Many of the small hotels on East Fremont street rent by the hour anyway. There is a great deal of street robbery right now, and this would bring it under control. I don't think it would have much change in the overall economic level of activity in the urban area.
I don't agree that legalization wouldn't increase the amount of prostitution in Vegas. Right now, there are 6 legalized brothels operating in Nye County. Although I don't have any statistics to prove it, I expect that a substantial amount of the business for those brothels consists of Las Vegas vistors making an excursion out of the city to partake of their services. If prostitution were legalized in Las Vegas, those brothels would almost certainly go out of business, or relocate to Clark County. That means that Nye County would lose all of the tax revenue from those brothels. To a lesser degree, the business of other brothels might also be affected, either because of a shift from business to Vegas or to Reno. Let's be honest, no one visits Pahrump or Mound House because they are fabulous tourist destinations. They go there because they are relatively close to Vegas or Reno and they have legalized prostitution when Vegas and Reno don't.
The loss of tax revenue is a major source of the inertia against the wholesale legalization of prostitution in Nevada.
Quote: justbrentThe casinos never pushed the "family friendly" image. In fact, they have always been against it. Adults who bring their kids to Vegas gamble less because they are spending more time and money on family activities. The "fun for the entire family" campaign---which was almost 20 years ago---was put out by the Visitors and Convention Bureau, which serves the interest of more than just the casinos.
As I discussed in another thread, legalization of prostitution in Las Vegas was proposed in the Nevada legislature in 2008, but it never made it to a vote. Politically, it's not going to happen because Las Vegas doesn't have enough pull in the legislature. The rural areas(which encompass every place except Vegas and Reno) aren't going to get on board with legalization of prostitution in Vegas for one of two reasons. Either they are populated largely by Mormons who are against all legalized prostitution, or they include counties that are small enough to have legalized brothels and that don't want to lose tax revenue to Las Vegas.
How is the state legislature in Nevada made up? Is it allocated via population or geography? Something like 75% of Nevada residents live in or around LV, so it seems to me that the the rural vote wouldn't really matter....unless seats are not weighted by population.
Quote: justbrentBoth are apportioned by population, which means that Clark County has the majority in both houses. Assuming that every legislator from Clark County was in favor of legalized prostitution, it would carry the day in the legislature. That is a big assumption. I'm sure that some of those legislators are against it for non-economic reasons (moral objections, concerns about secondary effects, etc.), so there would need to be some coalition building with legislators from outside Clark County.
Any budding journalists here might want to look into how many Clark county legislators are against legalizing prostitution in Vegas due to payoffs by other interested parties.
