Should the Wizard charge for posting in the Betting Systems section?
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September 7th, 2014 at 8:09:02 AM
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It's to my understanding the wizard hates betting systems or talking about them. I would guess it's the polar opposite of what he wants his websites to have.
Other than proven, approved systems like sports, card counting, proper VP etc. Should he charge per post?
Voters please explain your vote.
Other than proven, approved systems like sports, card counting, proper VP etc. Should he charge per post?
Voters please explain your vote.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 7th, 2014 at 8:54:05 AM
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Since systems bettors often have multiple accounts, votes without an exploitation will be counted as 0.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 7th, 2014 at 9:03:31 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfIt's to my understanding the wizard hates betting systems or talking about them. I would guess it's the polar opposite of what he wants his websites to have.
Other than proven, approved systems like sports, card counting, proper VP etc. Should he charge per post?
Voters please explain your vote.
Evidently he doesn't hate betting systems as much as you propagandize, as of 30 seconds ago HIS site still has a topic section titled "Betting Systems." Clearly he's a mensch and is open to the ideas of others-ideas that he may not even agree with. Just look at his other thread topics. The man even has a site called Diversity for Tomorrow. There's diversity at WoV also; a place for gay folks, Bingo folks and stupid folks, if you will. Being thirsty and monetizing disagreeable thought and opinion is reserved for certain members of this forum...not for its creator. Thank you Mr. Wizard.
September 7th, 2014 at 9:08:25 AM
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I'm still a bigot.
September 7th, 2014 at 9:14:06 AM
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it would be too hard to enforce, and no one would pay.
we may discount that many people do get educated by discussing their systems. Nobody ever admits they are wrong, often not even to themselves, but I think we have planted doubt, at least, in a few. We just don't get to see it. And then there are those who are just reading the threads, I think very few [without prior opinions] come away thing the betting system advocates were right.
I'd be all for the Wizard making some money, but it's a fantasy.
we may discount that many people do get educated by discussing their systems. Nobody ever admits they are wrong, often not even to themselves, but I think we have planted doubt, at least, in a few. We just don't get to see it. And then there are those who are just reading the threads, I think very few [without prior opinions] come away thing the betting system advocates were right.
I'd be all for the Wizard making some money, but it's a fantasy.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
September 7th, 2014 at 9:18:59 AM
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The systems idiots provide the only new/original content on the site. Without their drivel, all we'd be doing is looking at Ult X jackpot pics and crying about the demise of AC. We need a long-term plan for the site's viability once AC is an afterthought and Ult X goes away.
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
September 7th, 2014 at 9:37:10 AM
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I voted no. This site has a forum called Betting Systems that the Wizard specifically designated for, as he puts it, "the mathematically challenged". Forum Rule 10 addresses betting systems and even provides a link to the forum.
If someone posts about a betting system in another forum the moderators can simply move it to the proper place, no harm no foul. I believe that's their job. Multiple offenders can be dealt with accordingly.
This is a gambling forum. Members have gambled on everything from chicken nuggets to weight loss. People just love to gamble and to talk about gambling. I don't believe in gambling systems but I don't mind reading what others have to say about them. It can be quite entertaining at times.
What I don't appreciate is seeing a member, especially a new one, mocked, ridiculed or insulted for asking a question. How about a charge when that happens?
If someone posts about a betting system in another forum the moderators can simply move it to the proper place, no harm no foul. I believe that's their job. Multiple offenders can be dealt with accordingly.
This is a gambling forum. Members have gambled on everything from chicken nuggets to weight loss. People just love to gamble and to talk about gambling. I don't believe in gambling systems but I don't mind reading what others have to say about them. It can be quite entertaining at times.
What I don't appreciate is seeing a member, especially a new one, mocked, ridiculed or insulted for asking a question. How about a charge when that happens?
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
September 7th, 2014 at 9:48:37 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfSince systems bettors often have multiple accounts, votes without an exploitation will be counted as 0.
System bettors are chronically short of money.
How's that for an exploitation? ;)
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
September 7th, 2014 at 9:59:42 AM
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Quote: NareedSystem bettors are chronically short of money.
How's that for an exploitation? ;)
People on the FORUM are chronically short of money.
aahigh.com
September 7th, 2014 at 10:03:22 AM
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Quote: AhighPeople on the FORUM are chronically short of money.
Maybe they're being exploited? ;)
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
September 7th, 2014 at 10:03:24 AM
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Quote: AxelWolf... votes without an exploitation will be counted as 0.
I voted "No", but I haven't figured out a practical way to exploit anything from that. ;-)
The reason for my vote is that even if the Wizard considered it a good idea, it wouldn't work. Suppose there really was a way to collect for every post, or every new thread, in the betting systems forum. People who want to promote their system and don't like paying would just post in another forum. It's not like every thread is really on topic anyway. I almost never look to see what forum a thread was started in.
September 7th, 2014 at 10:10:25 AM
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A pay to post charging system might not be easily done. Once that was figured out, it would be easy, mods could simply delete threads and ask them to be moved. If no one paid, then great, he would get rid of the system bettors.Quote: odiousgambitit would be too hard to enforce, and no one would pay.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 7th, 2014 at 10:11:59 AM
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Quote: AhighPeople on the FORUM are chronically short of money.
Really?
*counts wad of bills, checks bank balances*
Not me.
FWIW, on the notion of "system bettors:" I think it all depends on how one defines the word "system."
All casino gamblers use some form of "system" when playing their chosen game, at least if the word is defined as being "chosen method of play."
Sure, regression and progression are not mathematically superior methods of play, but they don't have to be, really, so long as the method or "system" being discussed accurately describes how a particular player approaches and plays his or her game.
Heck, it seems to me that even card counting is a system.
Without systems there is no play.
"What, me worry?"
September 7th, 2014 at 10:18:38 AM
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Mr. V, can you loan me ten grand? I went to the casino last weekend, and now my IOLTA account is mysteriously short of funds...Quote: MrVReally?
*counts wad of bills, checks bank balances*
Not me.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
September 7th, 2014 at 10:44:23 AM
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Quote: teddysI went to the casino last weekend, and now my IOLTA account is mysteriously short of funds...
I can loan you ten grand.
But I won't.
Have fun explaining THAT ONE to the bar.
Bwa ha ha ha!
"What, me worry?"
September 7th, 2014 at 10:46:03 AM
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I'm gonna hit the casino with my bac system real quick, BRB with $100000eleventy
"Man Babes" #AxelFabulous
September 7th, 2014 at 10:48:03 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfShould he charge per post?
No.
It's important for people who don't understand why it won't work* to better understand; rational discussion is a useful tool for that.
If someone does come up with a novel system that hasn't already been proven ineffective, it's useful to either validate the system or disprove its effectiveness
*aside from getting lucky, but that "doesn't count".
May the cards fall in your favor.
September 7th, 2014 at 11:18:33 AM
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"Should the Wizard charge for posting in the Betting Systems section?"
It depends on what you call a system. For example is card counting a system? I believe it is. It's an "AP system", but it's still a "system". These days, if the player is tipping, then it's tough to call it an "AP". It's more like an exercise in futility.
How about hole carding? Is it a system?
Is sort play a system?
How about Bingo play?
How about the parimutuel betting?
I can see why people might be burned out on reading the latest counting "system". However, I don't believe there should be a charge for posting a counting system, or any other betting system.
-Keyser
It depends on what you call a system. For example is card counting a system? I believe it is. It's an "AP system", but it's still a "system". These days, if the player is tipping, then it's tough to call it an "AP". It's more like an exercise in futility.
How about hole carding? Is it a system?
Is sort play a system?
How about Bingo play?
How about the parimutuel betting?
I can see why people might be burned out on reading the latest counting "system". However, I don't believe there should be a charge for posting a counting system, or any other betting system.
-Keyser
September 7th, 2014 at 11:51:14 AM
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Quote: DieterNo.
It's important for people who don't understand why it won't work* to better understand; rational discussion is a useful tool for that.
If someone does come up with a novel system that hasn't already been proven ineffective, it's useful to either validate the system or disprove its effectiveness
*aside from getting lucky, but that "doesn't count".
Same vote. Same reason.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
September 7th, 2014 at 11:53:40 AM
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Quote: AhighPeople on the FORUM are chronically short of money.
Speak for yourself.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
September 7th, 2014 at 11:56:00 AM
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Quote: Keyser"Should the Wizard charge for posting in the Betting Systems section?"
It depends on what you call a system. For example is card counting a system? I believe it is. It's an "AP system", but it's still a "system". These days, if the player is tipping, then it's tough to call it an "AP". It's more like an exercise in futility.
How about hole carding? Is it a system?
Is sort play a system?
How about Bingo play?
How about the parimutuel betting?
I can see why people might be burned out on reading the latest counting "system". However, I don't believe there should be a charge for posting a counting system, or any other betting system.
-Keyser
Keyser,
I think the guys on here have correctly differentiated between counting and systems. Counting depends on using available information about past performance to shorten or lengthen odds. Systems attempt to predict future results in games with no "memory", or combine negative expectation bets into a positive expectation, or chase winners or losers with pyramid betting of some progression. So I would draw a clear line between the two, and not lump them together as you have here.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
September 7th, 2014 at 12:03:18 PM
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Quote:Should the Wizard charge for posting in the Betting Systems section?
I think every post in the betting system section should add one of the Wizards preferred ad links.
Sanitized for Your Protection
September 7th, 2014 at 12:21:14 PM
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So every time someone mentions Basic
Strategy for BJ, they get charged? It's
a betting system.
Strategy for BJ, they get charged? It's
a betting system.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 7th, 2014 at 1:14:09 PM
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I disagree Bob it's not a betting system it's a playing strategy.Quote: EvenBobSo every time someone mentions Basic
Strategy for BJ, they get charged? It's
a betting system.
Happy days are here again
September 7th, 2014 at 2:06:46 PM
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Well OP, pay the Donts and take the line. It's Regan v- Carter. Reagn v- Mondale. Tyson v- everyone (until 1990). It's the Hindenberg v- hydrogen. Oh the humanity humility. It's an upset I never thought I'd see the likes of; folks going against your words and wishes.
But seriously, most of the members hit it right on the head-it'll be too difficult to "tax" and despite their refusal of acknowledgement, most of them will see the flaws in the systems they present.
But seriously, most of the members hit it right on the head-it'll be too difficult to "tax" and despite their refusal of acknowledgement, most of them will see the flaws in the systems they present.
September 7th, 2014 at 2:18:32 PM
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Quote: Hunterhillit's not a betting system it's a playing strategy.
Could someone please explain the difference between the two?
If my strategy is to press, then regress, is that a "system" whereas simply flat betting is a "strategy?"
I think the Wiz is mainly railing against people who either offer a method of play for sale, or folks who claim their method of play mathematically changes the HE.
"What, me worry?"
September 7th, 2014 at 2:26:04 PM
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Technically counting is a system, since it doesn't really involve a skill. It's a system that can work if you can find a table with the right payout and set of rules.
However, I'd call sort play and hole carding a strategy, since there's more skill involved.
If it involves skill, then I'd be more likely to call it a "strategy" . For example, the skillful use of a system is a strategy. If it involves simply following a fixed set of rules, then I'd call it a "system".
However, I'd call sort play and hole carding a strategy, since there's more skill involved.
If it involves skill, then I'd be more likely to call it a "strategy" . For example, the skillful use of a system is a strategy. If it involves simply following a fixed set of rules, then I'd call it a "system".
September 7th, 2014 at 2:36:47 PM
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Quote: MrVCould someone please explain the difference between the two?
I my strategy is to progress, then regress, is that a "system" whereas simply flat betting is a "strategy?"
I think the Wiz is mainly railing against people who either offer a method of play for sale, or folks who claim their method of play mathematically changes the HE.
The word "System" may have come from the conmen themselves. "My System" will make you money. This is how my "system" works. "System" sounds like a solid thing. Something infallible, or at least more concrete and real.
"Strategy", is more a plan against a dynamic field of play. You can prosper at it, but the ups and downs make it dynamic, and not just a money filter to your bank account.
Of course, I just made that up. Hah.
Sanitized for Your Protection
September 7th, 2014 at 2:42:29 PM
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Maybe no one should worry about the word.
Just name a Forum "FAIL" and put all the ones that don't work there.
Just name a Forum "FAIL" and put all the ones that don't work there.
Sanitized for Your Protection
September 7th, 2014 at 3:58:52 PM
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No just stupid.
I am a robot.
September 7th, 2014 at 6:32:59 PM
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Quote: rxwine
Of course, I just made that up. Hah.
We argued about this for years on GG and
came to the conclusion that strategy and
system are basically the same thing. A
system can be a strategy and vice versa,
BS definitely falls in there somewhere, it
doesn't escape being classified. What people
mean is, they don't like systems that eventually
fail being discussed. Some systems can indeed
win for a long time before they fail, what's
wrong with that. I saw a guy today playing
number 15, 20 and 22 because they are special
to him. He walked away with over $500 because
22 came in 4 times in 25 spins. Worked today
for him.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 7th, 2014 at 7:09:04 PM
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Ridiculing the brilliant brainstorms of betting system goofballs provides valuable entertainment. But some are more entertaining than others.
I think any fee should be on a sliding scale, based on literacy. Discount the full base charge in 10% increments for each estimated grade level, so the usual 2nd grade random word salad would pay 80% of max, those written on a 5th grade level would only cough up 50% of the basic fee, and in the unlikely event one of them who popped up touting his brilliant scheme managed to function on a 10th grade level while doing so, his essay on the path to riches would be published for amusement and public ridicule free of charge.
I think any fee should be on a sliding scale, based on literacy. Discount the full base charge in 10% increments for each estimated grade level, so the usual 2nd grade random word salad would pay 80% of max, those written on a 5th grade level would only cough up 50% of the basic fee, and in the unlikely event one of them who popped up touting his brilliant scheme managed to function on a 10th grade level while doing so, his essay on the path to riches would be published for amusement and public ridicule free of charge.
Suck dope, watch TV, make up stuff, be somebody on the internet.
September 8th, 2014 at 7:05:08 AM
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I covered that under "Other than proven, approved systems like sports, card counting, proper VP etc." Just for you.Quote: EvenBobSo every time someone mentions Basic
Strategy for BJ, they get charged? It's
a betting system.
It's obvious what is meant by betting systems.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 8th, 2014 at 7:15:30 AM
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They can read the thousands of posts already debunking the nonsense.Quote: beachbumbabsSame vote. Same reason.
How many times do you hear this.
Hi I'm new member long time lurker, I love this site bla, bla, bla. I know betting systems don't work and the Wizard disproves bla, bla, bla BUT........
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 8th, 2014 at 7:37:41 AM
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+100,000Quote: AxelWolfThey can read the thousands of posts already debunking the nonsense.
How many times do you hear this.
Hi I'm new member long time lurker, I love this site bla, bla, bla. I know betting systems don't work and the Wizard disproves bla, bla, bla BUT........
September 8th, 2014 at 7:38:52 AM
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Quote: EvenBobSo every time someone mentions Basic
Strategy for BJ, they get charged? It's
a betting system.
A "betting system" suggests a wager for the next round. A betting system is used at times when there are no cards* in play (between the "all bets down" and the "no more bets" call).
It's tempting to call basic strategy a betting system because some of the plays involve placing additional wagers, but this is incorrect. Basic strategy suggests a course of action only with cards in play (between the "no more bets" and "all bets down" call).
*Cards, dice, wheels, balls, RNG's... or other outcome determining thingies.
May the cards fall in your favor.
September 8th, 2014 at 10:07:07 AM
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There is a Greek cat on another forum who claims to have a dice method that he says would NEVER lose, IF the action at the dice tables always played out according to mathematical expectation. I'll try to get him to pop over here, it should be entertaining, hey hey.
" Life is a well of joy; but where the rabble drinks too, all wells are poisoned!" Nietzsche
September 8th, 2014 at 10:12:38 AM
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Quote: soxfanThere is a Greek cat on another forum who claims to have a dice method that he says would NEVER lose, IF the action at the dice tables always played out according to mathematical expectation. I'll try to get him to pop over here, it should be entertaining, hey hey.
Oh god, just what we need, another person who doesn't understand expectation and what it means.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
September 8th, 2014 at 10:28:41 AM
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Quote: soxfanThere is a Greek cat on another forum who claims to have a dice method that he says would NEVER lose, IF the action at the dice tables always played out according to mathematical expectation. I'll try to get him to pop over here, it should be entertaining, hey hey.
Lou the Greek? He should be a riot on this board.
September 8th, 2014 at 12:19:41 PM
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looks like Wizard may not only be charging for betting systems, but also to be a member of the site.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
I AM NOT PART OF GWAE RADIO SHOW
September 8th, 2014 at 12:23:56 PM
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Well it is true if you can get an even chance game that only varies so much, say one sd from normal, any classic system would kill the house. Waiting to see what method can be introduced, at a dice game, that wins, or overcomes, when you lose 18 out of say 20 pass line decisions!
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
September 9th, 2014 at 8:53:20 PM
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not to the original poster of the threadQuote: AxelWolf<snip> <snip>Should he charge per post?
all other posters in the thread should pay something
cash talks
where should I send my $1
($1 per post is just an example. cents adds up to dollars in the US)
Sally
I Heart Vi Hart
September 10th, 2014 at 1:03:40 AM
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He should but won't. Most can't afford it. Most people who can, won't stand for it out of principal. The forum would die quickly.Quote: mustangsallynot to the original poster of the thread
all other posters in the thread should pay something
cash talks
where should I send my $1
($1 per post is just an example. cents adds up to dollars in the US)
Sally
he should charge you per letter or number, he would be set.
PS. I know what you can do with that dollar.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 10th, 2014 at 1:19:05 AM
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Yes. I believe that would be the outcome. Quickly.Quote: AxelWolfThe forum would die quickly.
Suck dope, watch TV, make up stuff, be somebody on the internet.
September 10th, 2014 at 1:34:33 AM
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No this is a absurd idea for a multitude of reasons.
1. Wizard is very intelligent and very buisness savvy if he thought that this would be a vastly profitable idea he would have already done it.
2. There is one forum section out of many dedicated to systems if you don't like it don't read it.
3. Betting systems section provides some of the most enertaining debates on this board.
4. It is clear the site owner (Wizard) is an advocate of free speech and likes giving people a chance to voice their perspective. Which goes back to point 2. This is a huge site, the betting system section is a minute part of it. If it bothers you so much don't read posts there.....
5. The systems section allows people to read pretty much every system that exists for free instead of falling for Internet scams or paying for systems out of curiosity.
6. There are a lot of forum members that spend perhaps most of their time in that forum. Even of you don't like those particular members their presence boosts traffic and hence overall site ratings...
1. Wizard is very intelligent and very buisness savvy if he thought that this would be a vastly profitable idea he would have already done it.
2. There is one forum section out of many dedicated to systems if you don't like it don't read it.
3. Betting systems section provides some of the most enertaining debates on this board.
4. It is clear the site owner (Wizard) is an advocate of free speech and likes giving people a chance to voice their perspective. Which goes back to point 2. This is a huge site, the betting system section is a minute part of it. If it bothers you so much don't read posts there.....
5. The systems section allows people to read pretty much every system that exists for free instead of falling for Internet scams or paying for systems out of curiosity.
6. There are a lot of forum members that spend perhaps most of their time in that forum. Even of you don't like those particular members their presence boosts traffic and hence overall site ratings...
September 10th, 2014 at 1:34:36 AM
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No this is a absurd idea for a multitude of reasons.
1. Wizard is very intelligent and very buisness savvy if he thought that this would be a vastly profitable idea he would have already done it.
2. There is one forum section out of many dedicated to systems if you don't like it don't read it.
3. Betting systems section provides some of the most enertaining debates on this board.
4. It is clear the site owner (Wizard) is an advocate of free speech and likes giving people a chance to voice their perspective. Which goes back to point 2. This is a huge site, the betting system section is a minute part of it. If it bothers you so much don't read posts there.....
5. The systems section allows people to read pretty much every system that exists for free instead of falling for Internet scams or paying for systems out of curiosity.
6. There are a lot of forum members that spend perhaps most of their time in that forum. Even of you don't like those particular members their presence boosts traffic and hence overall site ratings...
-sorry double post.
7.one additional point I thought of. This would only encourage people to post in improper sections to avoid paying.
8. One more additional point. Charging people to read betting systems section would be hugely hypocritical, as he would in essence be selling systems which is something he has always to my understanding been against.
1. Wizard is very intelligent and very buisness savvy if he thought that this would be a vastly profitable idea he would have already done it.
2. There is one forum section out of many dedicated to systems if you don't like it don't read it.
3. Betting systems section provides some of the most enertaining debates on this board.
4. It is clear the site owner (Wizard) is an advocate of free speech and likes giving people a chance to voice their perspective. Which goes back to point 2. This is a huge site, the betting system section is a minute part of it. If it bothers you so much don't read posts there.....
5. The systems section allows people to read pretty much every system that exists for free instead of falling for Internet scams or paying for systems out of curiosity.
6. There are a lot of forum members that spend perhaps most of their time in that forum. Even of you don't like those particular members their presence boosts traffic and hence overall site ratings...
-sorry double post.
7.one additional point I thought of. This would only encourage people to post in improper sections to avoid paying.
8. One more additional point. Charging people to read betting systems section would be hugely hypocritical, as he would in essence be selling systems which is something he has always to my understanding been against.
September 10th, 2014 at 1:55:10 AM
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It's not meant to be profitable. It's meant to get rid of the many sock-puppets and fake accounts. This forum does not make money.Quote: Gandler
Free speech yes, stupid betting systems not so much.
He asked MR Gr8player, also accidentally known as Gayplayer (a big time system bettor advocate)to kindly hit the road. Gr8player was well written and usually respectful. Any bad behavior was only after a constant barrage of unfriendly disagreements.
Mike has voiced his disapproval of system betting chatter and discourages it.
I bet he blocks the thread in fear of being agitated and feeling embarrassment.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 10th, 2014 at 2:05:24 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfIt's not meant to be profitable. It's meant to get rid of the many sock-puppets and fake accounts. This forum does not make money.
Free speech yes, stupid betting systems not so much.
He asked MR Gr8player, also accidentally known as Gayplayer (a big time system bettor advocate)to kindly hit the road. Gr8player was well written and usually respectful. Any bad behavior was only after a constant barrage of unfriendly disagreements.
Mike has voiced his disapproval of system betting chatter and discourages it.
I bet he blocks the thread in fear of being agitated and feeling embarrassment.
Then why don't you just block the section as well and let the betting system players have their fun? Live and let live.
If he wants to get rid of it of course that is his option as a site owner. But either have it or don't have. Charging a subscription to accsess that section will only make him a hypocritic (by essentially selling systems) and encourage certain members as you mentioned to spam in other sections. They are here anyway, may as well let them have their fun in a specified section.
I can't picture him charging a subscription for a single subsection of the forum.
September 10th, 2014 at 2:46:43 AM
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It does not agitate or embarrass me. I don't mind peeking to see what ignorant system nuts are claiming. I don't mind a few of them. Varmenti was fairly funny and entertaining. But, I had some respect for him, I believe he was really out betting and believed in his own BS. I have a feeling he eventually went bust(duh).Quote: GandlerThen why don't you just block the section as well and let the betting system players have their fun? Live and let live.
If he wants to get rid of it of course that is his option as a site owner. But either have it or don't have. Charging a subscription to accsess that section will only make him a hypocritic (by essentially selling systems) and encourage certain members as you mentioned to spam in other sections. They are here anyway, may as well let them have their fun in a specified section.
I can't picture him charging a subscription for a single subsection of the forum.
It's mostly a few guys that keep making fake accounts just to stir up BS.
Spamming other threads could simply be deleted.
Also, it might be fun and games but, some jokers are secretly running scams (I can't revile PM's) I have contacted a few seemingly innocent systems players (claiming winning systems) They were only trying, to get you to put money up for them. Some guys clamming big bets, only to find out they are playing 5 and 10 bucks with a few hundred dollar BR.
I have seen systems destroy peoples lives. I don't own this site(yet) so I don't have it on my conscience.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 10th, 2014 at 3:40:27 AM
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Quote: AxelWolf
I have seen systems destroy peoples lives. I don't own this site(yet) so I don't have it on my conscience.
I am sure. Even in history there are cases of people martingaling themselves to oblivion on ancient games of chance and bets. But there are plenty of problem gamblers who don't use systems, particularly since most modern gamblers with serious problems are slot players hence systems don't apply.
But at the same time if a player is not a problem gambler systems are no worst or better than flat betting. For example if I go to a casino with a 500 dollar bankroll, and I am fine losing all of it for fun, what difference does it make to anyone if I flat bet or test out different systems for kicks? Some people use systems out of the pure entrainment value as it adds more thought to the game.
If systems are no better or worst than flat betting then logically there is nothing wrong with them as long as you don't exceed your bankroll and understand you are playing for fun.
Because let's face it if you are not an AP and are playing purely for fun, when is flat betting the table minimum for hours on end ever as thrilling or gives you that rush as when you are making progressively bigger bets?
