kewlj
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August 26th, 2014 at 1:52:35 PM permalink
More casino security goons, out of control, using excessive force.

http://www.rgj.com/story/news/crime/2014/04/10/police-reno-casino-security-guard-charged-mans-death/7579789/
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August 26th, 2014 at 1:59:09 PM permalink
Probably he had a sizeable amount of comps accumulated on his player's club card and it was calculated that killing him could save the Eldorado thousands of dollars.
onenickelmiracle
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August 26th, 2014 at 2:33:26 PM permalink
Quote: Eaglesnest

Probably he had a sizeable amount of comps accumulated on his player's club card and it was calculated that killing him could save the Eldorado thousands of dollars.

This probably is the root of the problem in some way but not points wise. Our laws are pretty weak anymore and there isn't much fear of consequences.
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AxiomOfChoice
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August 26th, 2014 at 2:37:42 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

This probably is the root of the problem in some way but not points wise. Our laws are pretty weak anymore and there isn't much fear of consequences.



According to the article he had said some bad stuff about security publicly (on social media). It sounds like this is more of a personal revenge thing and the casino is trying to distance themselves from their employee.
DrawingDead
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August 26th, 2014 at 2:38:05 PM permalink
Quote: Eaglesnest

...thousands of dollars.

It is Reno. I'd guess tens of dollars might be involved.

Where are these Rambo security guys when they are really needed? Nobody in the Las Vegas properties will throw out any douchebag no matter how stomach-turning sickeningly bad. I've seen a floor supervisor in a Caesars owned poker room screaming for help while a very large creep chased her around the table yelling "Iz gonna $@#* up your %*)@ #$%^ b&#$%" while casino security stood around with their thumbs in their @ssets, and she was more than seven months pregnant at the time, and everyone in the joint knew her husband worked in company management above the property level no less. The violent scumbag eventually got tuckered out, and they followed him (in a group walking about twenty paces behind) to the door. He could have raped her, killed her, and cooked & eaten her and the baby with fava beans and it was quite clear they'd have done absolutely nothing. I estimate the chances they'd do a damn thing if you or I were being mugged and gutted and stuffed by Osama Bin Laden in the middle of casino at less than zero percent. I'm pretty sure in some properties you could show up with a clipboard and a hand truck, stroll in and unbolt a slot machine or ATM/ticket-redemption thingy, and wheel it out while nobody does any more than shrug, and if you tossed somebody with a nametag a redbird probably get them to help you load it into in your van.
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onenickelmiracle
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August 26th, 2014 at 2:46:17 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

According to the article he had said some bad stuff about security publicly (on social media). It sounds like this is more of a personal revenge thing and the casino is trying to distance themselves from their employee.

For some reason, I can't get through to the site. They want distance probably because intentional and malicious is a whole other ball game. It's the wall hid behind to actually pay out anymore for stupidity and negligence.
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AxiomOfChoice
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August 26th, 2014 at 2:57:04 PM permalink
Oh. I think that this snippet falls well within the Wizard's requests to keep quotes from published sources short:

Quote:

"Upon review of the incident, it was determined that the victim had posted negative comments about the Bubinga Lounge security on social media, and he was denied entry into the club based on these comments," police said in a news release.



It looks like it was a bouncer for the nightclub, not the actual casino security. But the article refers to him as a "casino security guard". I'm not sure if this is a shared role (that would be strange; casino security is generally different from nightclub security, even if the club is casino-owned) or if it's just sloppy reporting.
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August 26th, 2014 at 3:38:46 PM permalink
The article does not specify the cause of death. Sooner or later something like that had to happen. If casino policy allows harassment of their patrons for one reason or the other, it becomes their general attitude. "Casinos are above the law, it's a private club " and so on. The absence of proper punishment leads to lawless behavior. With the spread of casinos around the country a proper legislature is a must or each one of us can become a potential victim.
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August 27th, 2014 at 6:11:23 AM permalink
Quote: DrawingDead

It is Reno. I'd guess tens of dollars might be involved.

Where are these Rambo security guys when they are really needed? Nobody in the Las Vegas properties will throw out any douchebag no matter how stomach-turning sickeningly bad. I've seen a floor supervisor in a Caesars owned poker room screaming for help while a very large creep chased her around the table yelling "Iz gonna $@#* up your %*)@ #$%^ b&#$%" while casino security stood around with their thumbs in their @ssets, and she was more than seven months pregnant at the time, and everyone in the joint knew her husband worked in company management above the property level no less. The violent scumbag eventually got tuckered out, and they followed him (in a group walking about twenty paces behind) to the door. He could have raped her, killed her, and cooked & eaten her and the baby with fava beans and it was quite clear they'd have done absolutely nothing. I estimate the chances they'd do a damn thing if you or I were being mugged and gutted and stuffed by Osama Bin Laden in the middle of casino at less than zero percent. I'm pretty sure in some properties you could show up with a clipboard and a hand truck, stroll in and unbolt a slot machine or ATM/ticket-redemption thingy, and wheel it out while nobody does any more than shrug, and if you tossed somebody with a nametag a redbird probably get them to help you load it into in your van.



That's insane, that they would allow an employee to be put in that position without backup. I'm appalled at that anecdote. I found myself thinking about what I would have done as a customer to stop him in his tracks.
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August 27th, 2014 at 10:42:07 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

That's insane, that they would allow an employee to be put in that position without backup. I'm appalled at that anecdote. I found myself thinking about what I would have done as a customer to stop him in his tracks.

Well I believe I know what you'd have actually done, having been there: the same as everyone who was there at the time. I feel sure he'd have been stopped very quickly by customers, if not for the fact that a large assembly of uniformed security was there, watching and doing nothing, which is very effective (probably unintentionally) at inhibiting anyone else from responding with their impulse to step in to help. That creep probably was unintentionally PROTECTED to act as he did by the very visible presence of security doing nothing while everyone looked to them for a response. If the effect of that is that all the guys in that poker room at the time, most of whom knew her very well and have a high regard for her and are not shy fellows at all, did nothing while staring at the platoon of security guys, then I'm real confident that you, Buzzard, Mickey, Bejus, and the Man in the Moon would have too. This isn't the only similar incident like this I have personally seen in the last few years in major casino properties.

And as noted above, the anecdote that led to the creation of this thread actually appears to have little or nothing to do with a casino. Someone really has to be nursing some serious issues to want to try to imagine that it does after reading it. The guy was a bouncer in a nightclub, moonlighting from his day job as a bailbondsman. And the childish kind of response it gets in places like this are something one should worry about a whole lot more than the infinitesimal likelihood that a casino is going to beat you up. I'm pretty sure you and I are much more than a thousand times more likely to get mugged, beaten, stabbed, or shot by an obviously inappropriate "customer" in a casino who clearly has no legitimate business being there and should have been thrown out but wasn't because security has been instructed to never to actually do anything.

I got in the face of the supervisor of that security crew afterwards, as did some others, asking not very nicely "WTF was that!?!" and when I said something along the lines of "%@*$ next time I see any problem in here I'm calling 911, not you worthless guys" his response was "that's probably a good idea." Made it very clear what the real score is.

And in retrospect, after this and a host of other incidents that I've seen in major casinos and with the benefit of thinking about it afterward, here's what I've decided I want to do and what I regularly tell other people to do in Las Vegas casinos: 1. Ignore everything you have in your head from watching too much TV producing some notion that casinos are some kind of protected secure environment, because they aren't and they are no more secure in that way than being on the street (and as bad as old Travel Channel reruns is spending too much time on internet forums with some people who fantasize that they are actually clever "APs" and that the casino is really after them); 2. When there is a real problem, first use 911 to call the real police as quickly as possible, just as you would on the streets of any major city.

This meme being created here that a casino property security crew is likely to have been encouraged to run amok is just ludicrous, and makes me wonder how many people here have actually been in casinos or are even old enough to do so.

In other words: Bullscat, and horsepucky.
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