Article on Gambling in Florida: Disney vs Adelson

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Mostly the winners in the battle so far are the various lobbyist firms. Its been going on for years. Disney wants "family oriented" but most hotel owners don't care much. Its known that gambling in Florida will start in Miami/Dade area and make its way to already designated areas and perhaps beyond those areas but it will take time.

The Seminoles wanted but never really got a zone of exclusivity surrounding their casinos but the tribe said their bankers wanted one.

Seminoles are still able to spearhead the way into new territories while Genting and Adelson need to use Lobbyists and Pollsters as Gleaming Spear Points each year. Adelson is too smart to pay for lobbyist rhetoric, he wants results.

The Seminoles and Disney are actually uneasy bedfellows in opposing Sands Corp and other non-tribal ventures in Florida. Disney claims it's about "family values" but that's the partial story. It's really about money and competition for entertainment/resort dollars within their self-described radius. The Seminoles' compact with Florida contains many clauses, including a release from taxation and gaming constraints they agreed to in order to operate in Florida, that would be voided (to at least their short-term benefit, and probably long-term as well) if non-tribal gaming is approved anywhere in the state. So a more accurate assessment of the money spent in the state pro and con should include the Seminole lobby, which is considerable.

In my eyes its the Seminoles vs Sands.
The Seminoles are raking in the cash here in Tampa. Seminole Hardrock Tampa is massive, 6th largest casino floor in the world.
They have no competition.
No other casino for hundreds of miles. They want to keep it that way.
Very stingy casino.

I hate Disney. My favorite slot is Star Wars Trilogy - you essentially play three games at once and bonus rounds are scenes from the movies... and ewoks. That machine has been disappearing and I find out that Disney has been discontinuing Star Wars themed slots because it would make them look hypocritical. So, essentially, my favorite slot is being taken away because of this crusade. Fuckin' hate Disney.

Go Disney!!! Adelson is a jerk, imo.

Quote: terapined

Very stingy casino.

As you said ... No other casino for hundreds of miles. Might as well be stingy.

BOY do the Semioles have their haters too. It's insane how bad some people hate that casino because they go there and get a whooping. They make so much they were bussing people from like 6 hours away and paying them twice their fare. Showed quite a lot of confidence they had in their chances of profiting.

Quote: tringlomane

Go Disney!!! Adelson is a jerk, imo.

I hear this a lot. Why,did he kill babies? Without guys like him sh*t wouldn't get done.

Quote: AxelWolf

I hear this a lot. Why,did he kill babies? Without guys like him sh*t wouldn't get done.

He is a major opponent to legal online poker/gambling. More so than any Vegas casino operator.

I'm also not a fan to his huge Republican party donations. But hell, Disney probably donates to them too, maybe even more so. So as far as that goes, that's probably a wash at a minimum.

Quote: tringlomane

He is a major opponent to legal online poker/gambling. More so than any Vegas casino operator.

I'm also not a fan to his huge Republican party donations. But hell, Disney probably donates to them too, maybe even more so. So as far as that goes, that's probably a wash at a minimum.

You should have Just gone with he's a welsher taking away the comped rooms from all the people with reservations and god knows what else. Of course better than Donald Trump who would sue for not making the distinction between him and the company he ran.

Quote: tringlomane

He is a major opponent to legal online poker/gambling. More so than any Vegas casino operator.
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I used to think I was for legalization of online gaming an regulation. I thought before how great it would be for AP's & affiliates. I imagined big bonuses refer a friend incentives, like before.

I now realize we will probably lose all of that and very few online casinos will even exists.

Regulation seems great, just by knowing it is "fair" and you will get paid wit no BS. I just don't know if that's a good thing for me and others. If they take away all the good opportunities .

For someone like Mike, I bet its horrible, he will most likely get cut out, Perhaps he might find a way in.

Trust me. It will never be near to as good as it was, even if they legalize it all over the US. Safer for average Joe ploppy, sure, ill give you that.

Quote: AxelWolf

Trust me. It will never be near to as good as it was, even if they legalize it all over the US. Safer for average Joe ploppy, sure, ill give you that.

Oh I don't disagree with that at all. A bit annoying that I'm just an idiot that didn't focus on no-limit hold'em. Ugh. At least most of the non-holdem traffic was on PokerStars and I had 99% of my bankroll available to me in 2011. I got the last 1% around June of this year because they screwed up my bank account, and more importantly, PokerStars bought them and their debt to players out...:-\

Quote: tringlomane

Oh I don't disagree with that at all. A bit annoying that I'm just an idiot that didn't focus on no-limit hold'em. Ugh. At least most of the non-holdem traffic was on PokerStars and I had 99% of my bankroll available to me in 2011. I got the last 1% around June of this year because they screwed up my bank account, and more importantly, PokerStars bought them and their debt to players out...:-\

Not just poker i'm talking slots and VP as well.

At the beginning they had so much good stuff it was insane. I wish I would have trusted more sooner. I listen to to many horror stories and Casino black list authorities. Only after testing a few to good to be true offers i realized they were not to good to be true.

I Jumped in early before the big boom, then jumped out(real casino stuff ), then back in. I was not willing to risk more then 3k at a time.

A few guys made over 300k in a short time. With not much risk, even after getting stiffed a bunch.

Quote: AxelWolf

A few guys made over 300k in a short time. With not much risk, even after getting stiffed a bunch.

Surely someone has written general rules of AP play. There must be something about anything NEW having potential vulnerabilities. New games, new versions of games, new casino promotions never tried before, and so on. As with the newness of online gambling at the time.

Quote: rxwine

Surely someone has written general rules of AP play. There must be something about anything NEW having potential vulnerabilities. New games, new versions of games, new casino promotions never tried before, and so on. As with the newness of online gambling at the time.

Yes there are I know this for a fact however, I will stand by what I'm trying to say. From an AP standpoint it is better if its just left alone, it will do doubt get worst if they legalize and regulate it . Black Friday already proved that.

probably The same companies that own casinos now will be the same people running it. If they can legalize it and open it to foreign markets and find a way to tax it and make sure casinos are fair and pay without over regulating it, fine.

I know at the beginning of the NV poker legalization, they did not allow bonuses nor rake-back. I don't know if rake-back or affiliate programs are allowed even now. All of that is what really kept it moving. People ad intensives to tell everyone and advertise for the online casinos and make money doing it.

If they run it similar to the past as far as bonuses and affiliate programs then i'm all for it.