Revel Closing Ceremonies
Quote: JackStraw8004Didn't the state say that gaming vouchers are good for a year. How about someone has a ticket voucher from a slot machine and can't get back to AC after 9/15. You can't trust gaming control boards or states when it comes to casinos.
normally when a casino in NJ closes you can redeem all vouchers within 1 year via the board. The casino knows which ones are outstanding so they make a fund with the gaming board. In this case the casino is in bankruptcy which means there is no money to give the state. If you want your money you have to file a claim with the bankruptcy folks and then pray that you receive your money.
But at least Revel is staying open for the entire holiday weekend, unlike some other casinos that are closing in the middle of it.....
Quote: UTHfanWas actually considering an end of the month jaunt to AC for the first time. Revel seems to be giving away its rooms before the Sept close. Worth it? I'd like good poker and good BJ rules. I saw on the trop's website something about single deck BJ. Any ideas?
The only place to play serious poker in NJ is Borgata.
There is no "good" BJ in NJ.
To get any good BJ rules in AC you need to play high limit and as sodawater points out even then not great.
Trop and most other AC casinos do deal single deck but it only ever pays 6:5....boooo
Quote: GWAEnormally when a casino in NJ closes you can redeem all vouchers within 1 year via the board. The casino knows which ones are outstanding so they make a fund with the gaming board. In this case the casino is in bankruptcy which means there is no money to give the state. If you want your money you have to file a claim with the bankruptcy folks and then pray that you receive your money.
Ace is the lawyer not me...but trust me when I tell you you'd be so far down the list in bankruptcy court you aren't getting a dime.
Quote: vendman1Agreed the best poker in AC is Borgata. Though the poker rooms at the Taj and Ballys sometimes have *ahem* easy pickings.
Beating a poker game at the Taj is tricky. First you have to win the money, then you have to somehow safely leave the property with the money. Second part is a bit harder.
Quote: vendman1Ace is the lawyer not me...but trust me when I tell you you'd be so far down the list in bankruptcy court you aren't getting a dime.
Yeah, you would not be "patient zero" when it came to collecting from Revel
Quote: sodawaterBeating a poker game at the Taj is tricky. First you have to win the money, then you have to somehow safely leave the property with the money. Second part is a bit harder.
sodawater will provide bodyguard services for 25% of the take :)
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To get any good BJ rules in AC you need to play high limit and as sodawater points out even then not great.
hmph, some light googling led me to believe that "high limit" at times is more than $5 a hand, things are that bad out in AC. Here in MD, they won't take your money at less than a green chip a deal. I was surprised to see mentions of single and double deck in AC. But whatever.
You got me curious, so I checked Bravo and found the following live cash games currently running, in early evening in Atlantic City at about a quarter after six Eastern time:Quote: sodawaterThe only place to play serious poker in NJ is Borgata.
There is no "good" BJ in NJ.
Borgata: 22 games
Harrah's: 14 games
Bally's: 13 games
Showboat: 4 games
Golden Nugget: 2 games
Of course I do understand that raw numbers of active cash games may not be all that you might want to consider when you say "serious poker." For example I see from Bravo that Borgata currently has ALL the games in town at stakes over 1/2NL, with six 2/5 tables running. What struck me is that if you add them all together, they amount to the business of about two of the major Las Vegas rooms, and a fraction of what they spread every night in a bigger venue like Commerce in LA.
Quote: DrawingDeadYou got me curious, so I checked Bravo and found the following live cash games currently running, in early evening in Atlantic City at about a quarter after six Eastern time:
Borgata: 22 games
Harrah's: 14 games
Bally's: 13 games
Showboat: 4 games
Golden Nugget: 2 games
Of course I do understand that raw numbers of active cash games may not be all that you might want to consider when you say "serious poker." For example I see from Bravo that Borgata currently has ALL the games in town at stakes over 1/2NL, with six 2/5 tables running. What struck me is that if you add them all together, they amount to the business of about two of the major Las Vegas rooms, and a fraction of what they spread every night in a bigger venue like Commerce in LA.
Yes. Poker is dying in AC. Parx is now the busiest room in the area.
Showboat supposedly closed their poker room a month or so ago. Poker business was shifted to Bally's. (Or did they just shift the tournaments?)Quote: DrawingDeadShowboat: 4 games
Now I would say that all of the following rooms are busier than Borgata:
MD Live
Foxwoods CT
Parx PA
Isle Pompano FL
Seminole FL
From undisputed first place to 6th place -- sad state of affairs.
It isn't from the 'net. It is from the Bravo-Genesis system, which provides the poker room management equipment and software most (almost all) rooms use nowadays, and also uses that data on what is logged-in at the rooms for a public information feed that is supposed to be "real time."Quote: DJTeddyBearYa can't trust the internet.Showboat supposedly closed their poker room a month or so ago. Poker business was shifted to Bally's. (Or did they just shift the tournaments?)
Though I do remember that when Tropicana Las Vegas closed their room it was a while before they turned off the Bravo tracking stuff. It didn't show any games running after they closed, but did continue to show the room as if it was open. Maybe someone should go check on that one poor b@st@rd that Bravo says is still on the Showboat waiting list for a 1/2 game, to see if he's starved to death or something.
EDIT: Okay, I have a bunch of talk-time minutes that come with my cell/data service that I'll never use, so I just now called them and spoke to the manager on-duty at the Showboat poker room (direct line 609-343-4686) and he assured me that they are in fact open, and would remain so through Saturday August 30th for cash & tournaments, but that they will no longer be open for either (and some previously scheduled tournaments will be held at Bally's instead) as of Sunday the 31st. I asked what they have running right now, and it matched the Bravo data, with two games each of small stakes LHE & NLHE. I leave it to you just how really "open" you want to consider that to be for an AC poker room approaching what I assume are the peak evening hours, but I guess that one wait-list guy may have a decent chance to get into a game before he croaks after all.
I stand corrected. (I wonder where I heard that they already closed?)Quote: DrawingDeadEDIT: Okay, I have a bunch of talk-time minutes that come with my cell/data service that I'll never use, so I just now called them and spoke to the manager on-duty at the Showboat poker room (direct line 609-343-4686) and he assured me that they are in fact open, and would remain so through Saturday August 30th for cash & tournaments, but that they will no longer be open for either (and some previously scheduled tournaments will be held at Bally's instead) as of Sunday the 31st. I asked what they have running right now, and it matched the Bravo data, with two games each of small stakes LHE & NLHE. I leave it to you just how really "open" you want to consider that to be for an AC poker room approaching what I assume are the peak evening hours, but I guess that one wait-list guy may have a decent chance to get into a game before he croaks after all.
For the record, 4 tables running is about what they had going the last time I was there, last winter.
Quote: ScanRevel will reopen under MGM ownership
Yes, that has been a well kept secret but the deal is almost done according to many sources. It almost makes sense as MGM certainly has the money and management experience. My understanding is they have ordered the chips, a big order no doubt, and that is where the "leak" originated despite very tight security at said chip suppliers.
Horrible news but better than nothing.Quote: ScanRevel will reopen under MGM ownership
I thought the closing ceremonies would involve some MBAs in evening dress shoveling wads of dollar bills down a sewer.Quote: djatcIs this place being imploded?
Quote: ScanRevel will reopen under MGM ownership
I heard Ceasars will try and operate it. That is why they closed Showboat.
What doe stour chart show?
Regarding MGM...
Don't they still own part of Borgata? Not that that would prevent this deal, but...
Quote: FleaStiffI thought the closing ceremonies would involve some MBAs in evening dress shoveling wads of dollar bills down a sewer.
I thought the MBA's would be shoving worthless IOU's or straps of 100's down the sewer. Or maybe flushing them down the toilet in an unfinished Revel hotel room would be better.
Any Vegas visitors would say where is the buffet. The Borgata Buffet would come in close to last in Las Vegas. Even the dumpiest buffet in Las Vegas has crab legs which the Borgata has never offered. The Revel doesn't have a buffet which was one of the first mistakes.
Quote: JackStraw8004How exactly is the MGM going to run it any different than the Revel. .
Just another rumor. MGM can barely keep
the Vegas casinos open. Then there's the
Pansy Ho thing to consider.
Quote: JackStraw8004How exactly is the MGM going to run it any different than the Revel. It would still do the same amount of business. MGM aren't innovators. They just took over Wynn properties like the Bellagio and ran them the same way. They don't bring anything to the table. Most of their customers go to Las Vegas and if they came to Atlantic City it would be a step down. You think your going to market players and direct them to AC. It's a joke. When MGM owned the Borgata they were marketing players to go to their Las Vegas properties. Other than the beach in the Summer the Revel doesn't offer a thing better than the Bellagio or Aria. A restaurant like Relish would be laughed out of either the Bellagio or Aria. Cafe Bellagio, the 24 hour casual restaurant blows away the Relish in quality.
Any Vegas visitors would say where is the buffet. The Borgata Buffet would come in close to last in Las Vegas. Even the dumpiest buffet in Las Vegas has crab legs which the Borgata has never offered. The Revel doesn't have a buffet which was one of the first mistakes.
Everything you say could be said of anyone who takes over the Revel and opens it. In fact, about any property in AC?
Good point, even a high end buffet would be better than nothing.Quote: JackStraw8004The Revel doesn't have a buffet which was one of the first mistakes.
Everyone is always asking or talking about buffets. Some people even like what I consider a bad buffet.
Except that one can probably be pretty sure that anyone taking over a casino in AC would be someone who is currently eligible to be licensed in New Jersey. After NJ DGE revoked their gaming license due to allegations involving their Macau partners, MGM is not. Perhaps eventually sometime in the future the State's Gaming Enforcement might change their decision to revoke MGM's license at the major already existing property, and they will be deemed eligible to operate in NJ, or perhaps not. Currently, not.Quote: NokTangEverything you say could be said of anyone who takes over the Revel and opens it. In fact, about any property in AC?
Quote: DrawingDeadAfter NJ DGE revoked their gaming license due to allegations involving their Macau partners, .
In Macau casinos partner with junket operators in case anyone is curious. This also occurs at Nagaworld in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. The "Junket Rep" is in on the game and puts up the money in many cases. A wicked business, not for the regulated or those from the U.S.A.. I recall the Wynn also had a scare in Macau license wise or maybe it was the Sands?(impact on their U.S.A. casino licenses)
I don't really understand the junket system, and have had a hard time knowing what to think of the NJ decision regarding MGM & Pansy Ho, whether they were being too fussy about it in NJ or MGM was too careless in who they got hooked up with.Quote: NokTangIn Macau casinos partner with junket operators in case anyone is curious. This also occurs at Nagaworld in Phnom Penh, Cambodia. The "Junket Rep" is in on the game and puts up the money in many cases. A wicked business, not for the regulated or those from the U.S.A.. I recall the Wynn also had a scare in Macau license wise or maybe it was the Sands?(impact on their U.S.A. casino licenses)
Quote: DrawingDeadI don't really understand the junket system, and have had a hard time knowing what to think of the NJ decision regarding MGM & Pansy Ho, whether they were being too fussy about it in NJ or MGM was too careless in who they got hooked up with.
I can never quite get over any politicians, or any governmental body, that bans a business because they associate with unsavory folks. It seems like most of our politicians have gotten where they are because of the people they associate with too, and many of them could be deemed unsavory as well. Such hypocrites.
Quote: RaleighCrapsI can never quite get over any politicians, or any governmental body, that bans a business because they associate with unsavory folks. It seems like most of our politicians have gotten where they are because of the people they associate with too, and many of them could be deemed unsavory as well. Such hypocrites.
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