harrah's AC lawsuit
Quote: kewljGandler, I think you are missing a key point. Yes, the casino has a right to tell a patron (any patron) he is no longer welcome and ask him to leave. If the patron does not leave, they then have to call the police, just as anyone else would. They are not the police! Even though 2 were actually off duty police, they were not working as police. The active on duty police need be called. They (security) cannot just take matters into their own hands and start beating people at their own discretion.
Just like a store owner can tell a customer to leave his establishment. If the customer refuses the store owner needs to call the police. He cannot just pick up a baseball bat and take matters into his own hands and start beating someone. If he did, HE would be charged with assault and that is what should occur here.
I'm sorry, but doing a takedown (after they initiated violence) and carrying somebody out of the premise is not "beating" somebody.
Quote: GandlerI'm sorry, but doing a takedown (after they initiated violence) and carrying somebody out of the premise is not "beating" somebody.
OMG, did you not watch the 20/20 episode and video involving the third incident, where, Robert Coney, an analyst for a financial services company, was repeatedly beaten by off duty officer Donnel Holland? Robert Coney was then dragged through a pool of his own blood, with his face completely covered in blood. Again, we must be watching different videos.
show the violence.Quote: GandlerI'm sorry, but doing a takedown (after they initiated violence) and carrying somebody out of the premise is not "beating" somebody.
You said you wouldn't have done what they did, which means you don't believe what they did was reasonable. You might want for what they did to be considered reasonable and within their rights, but this is different. If you wind up taking this belief into action someday, you'll find out the hard way. This kind of idea can stew to where you find yourself a defendant wondering why they haven't let you go yet.Quote: GandlerI'm sorry, but doing a takedown (after they initiated violence) and carrying somebody out of the premise is not "beating" somebody.
Quote: onenickelmiracleYou said you wouldn't have done what they did, which means you don't believe what they did was reasonable. You might want for what they did to be considered reasonable and within their rights, but this is different. If you wind up taking this belief into action someday, you'll find out the hard way. This kind of idea can stew to where you find yourself a defendant wondering why they haven't let you go yet.
I would not have done that on either side (I certainly would not act that way as a guest and if I was a Guard there I doubt I would have reacted that way). But, I understand why they did, and as a libertarian, I believe they are well within their rights to remove people from their property.
And again, I hardly count that as violence, they got carried out... I have been to bars where people get carried out like that every few minutes...
And I am in no danger of winding up legal trouble (my biggest criminal offense to date is a failure to wear seatbelt ticket, when I was in a passenger seat...) , I am not a violent person, and I always stay calm. That said I look at things rationally with a libertarian approach, and even if I don't particularly care for Harrah's or their security I will side with them when it comes to property rights. I know people have brought up other mistakes by Harrah's in this thread, they may very well be legitimate, but in this specific issue I do not understand the outrage.
Quote: kewljOMG, did you not watch the 20/20 episode and video involving the third incident, where, Robert Coney, an analyst for a financial services company, was repeatedly beaten by off duty officer Donnel Holland? Robert Coney was then dragged through a pool of his own blood, with his face completely covered in blood. Again, we must be watching different videos.
I just watched it again, I did not see a single punch thrown (by security), I certainly did not see a pool of blood. The name on this video said "Binns" though, so maybe you are remembering a different video?
If they do they'll be disappointed, unless they are trying to win the "Lamest Scammer of the Month" award. I suppose somebody somewhere imagines that all kinds of crap should get them free money (probably people who aren't very familiar with staying in hotels) but key cards routinely get de-magnetized and have to be replaced all the time, making it about as common as emptying wastebaskets and filling toilet paper dispensers. In a large resort property of Las Vegas Strip size with > 3,000+ rooms you can figure it is probably common to replace a few hundred in a day. So what? I certainly don't find it a shocking traumatic event when it happens to mine, as it does about 5-10% of the time. What they will most likely get for their trouble is another key, about three seconds after they present their identification at the desk.Quote: onenickelmiracle...free play when the room key didn't work.
...do people fake this a lot to get money?
It sure is.Quote: GandlerI'm sorry, but doing a takedown (after they initiated violence) and carrying somebody out of the premise is not "beating" somebody.
"Initiated the violence".. he took his throat and he rammed it against my fist, your Honor...so he started the violence.
His room key repeatedly not working seemed relevant to the story and was mentioned to be a problem he was complaining about before they kicked him out of the hotel. It made me think of the possibility there was a grudge against him. If one were to try this as a scam, they would have to get the keys, claim they didn't work and repeat the process before getting the hotel to feel they owed somethingQuote: DrawingDeadIf they do they'll be disappointed, unless they are trying to win the "Lamest Scammer of the Month" award. I suppose somebody somewhere imagines that all kinds of crap should get them free money (probably people who aren't very familiar with staying in hotels) but key cards routinely get de-magnetized and have to be replaced all the time, making it about as common as emptying wastebaskets and filling toilet paper dispensers. In a large resort property of Las Vegas Strip size with > 3,000+ rooms you can figure it is probably common to replace a few hundred in a day. So what? I certainly don't find it a shocking traumatic event when it happens to mine, as it does about 5-10% of the time. What they will most likely get for their trouble is another key, about three seconds after they present their identification at the desk.
Me personally I often will stay alone in casino/hotels so I don't get locked out much because if one key doesn't work, I have the other one to try. If only one worked, I would have them replaced before I went upstairs again.
Quote: GandlerI just watched it again, I did not see a single punch thrown (by security), I certainly did not see a pool of blood. The name on this video said "Binns" though, so maybe you are remembering a different video?
try this one.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/holiday-hell-atlantic-city-vacationers-describe-roughed-harrahs/story?id=24796522
Here's a good shot for Robert Coney after the beating
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/2_AC_cops_accused_of_sadistic_attack_at_Harrahs.html
Quote: kewljtry this one.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/holiday-hell-atlantic-city-vacationers-describe-roughed-harrahs/story?id=24796522
Here's a good shot for Robert Coney after the beating
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/2_AC_cops_accused_of_sadistic_attack_at_Harrahs.html
I'm pretty sure that is a totally different/unrelated incident?
Just because it doesn't seem like a reasonable expectation to me doesn't mean I want to say nobody would ever do it. I hear stories of people trying a lot more silly scams than that, or being sincerely outraged over something more foolish, and I imagine probably as many as half of those stories are at least partly true. I remember for a while I used to be hearing about an apparent epidemic of mysterious white powder & similar things being 'discovered' by supposedly horrified guests in Las Vegas hotels about a dozen or so years ago. "OMFG it could be anthrax!" or then again, maybe it was more properly described by the scientific technical name: "Full RFB Comp-scam Dust."Quote: onenickelmiracleHis room key repeatedly not working seemed relevant to the story and was mentioned to be a problem he was complaining about before they kicked him out of the hotel. It made me think of the possibility there was a grudge against him. If one were to try this as a scam, they would have to get the keys, claim they didn't work and repeat the process before getting the hotel to feel they owed something
Me personally I often will stay alone in casino/hotels so I don't get locked out much because if one key doesn't work, I have the other one to try. If only one worked, I would have them replaced before I went upstairs again.
And with no more information than this, by saying that I'm not intending to suggest this does or doesn't have anything to do with these people.
Of course it was... some petty clerk got pissed off and threw him out for what was probably the clerk's fault. You think these clerks have any discretion? The clerk was probably issuing new keys all weekend long and was about as pissed off as the customers.Quote: onenickelmiracleI just didn't understand why he was evicted from his room. Harrah's isn't talking, so no word from them. Could have been just a rash decision not fully thought out.
The trouble is that Harrah's has to stand behind its "burger flipper" desk clerk just as much as it has to stand behind its "burger flipper" Rent a Cops. The law in NJ gives an inkeeper broad rights to boot a guest out, its perfectly reasonable for the guest to get upset about it, but its not reasonable for the guards to attack the guests in that manner.
LOL but you keep saying what that guy with his family did was violence.Quote: Gandler, I believe they are well within their rights to remove people from their property.
And again, I hardly count that as violence, they got carried out...
As for as asking someone to leave for any reason. You might have the right to stay until you receive back your items/ money back/ collect your children etc etc.
Anyways, what NICE publicity for Harrah's and unfortunately for Atlantic City simply by association.
Quote: GandlerI'm pretty sure that is a totally different/unrelated incident?
Of course it was a different incident than the Binn Family. But it was one of 3 similar incidents highlighted on 20/20 last night and one of 8 similar incidents in the last 18 months involving Harrah's security using excessive force. And those 8 incidents in the last 18 months are just the incidents where lawsuits have been filed. Imagine how many more there are.
You may call these incidents 'unrelated' but it speaks to the same issue...under the leadership of Security Director Doug Rule or Roll, not sure his actual name, Harrah's security has taken on a thuggist, beat first, ask questions later mentality. BTW, security director Doug Rule or Roll, is the big white thuggish looking guy that answered the door at Harrah's in a suit and would not let the ABC camera's inside, repeatedly saying "Harrah's has no comment". He also is in two of the video's that were highlighted on 20/20. In the Binn case, he is the large white man in shorts, that pursued the mother, Mrs. Binn, as she was walking away, took her down and then dragged her on the ground towards the elevators.
link to story.
http://articles.philly.com/2014-07-25/news/51956555_1_harrah-riptide-iq106-9
Someone should send the link to the Binn's lawyer.Quote: kewljHere is yet another example of Harrah's security "bully mentality". 3 weeks ago, Atlantic City hosted a 3 day gay weekend getaway event called Sand Blast which took place throughout Atlantic City. Now regardless, how you may feel about gay issues, this is a massive event previously held each year in upstate Asbury Park. But this year the Atlantic City Convention and Visitors Authority aggressively pursued the event and got them to come to Atlantic City. Caesar's Entertainment, spent a lot of money and was one of the prime players in bringing this event to AC and the third day of the event was a pool party at Harrah's entitled 'Riptide'. For the most part the 3 day event went off without a hitch with the exception of the Harrah's third day event, when there were numerous complaints of aggressive behavior and homophobic and lewd comments against, you guessed it.....Harrah's Security.
link to story.
http://articles.philly.com/2014-07-25/news/51956555_1_harrah-riptide-iq106-9
Quote: speedycrapSomeone should send the link to the Binn's lawyer.
I wouldn't worry about the Binn's lawyer. The same lawyer is representing all three victims in the three videos that were highlighted on 20/20 last night and the lawyer was the one who turned over the video to ABC news. I'd say he is already 'trying' his case. Lol.
As I said earlier, it truly amazes me that Police and security folks in case after case across the country continue with their abusive, excessive force type behaviors as if it is the 1970's and they can get way with it. How can they not realize it is 2014 and everyone has a camera and video capability and every abusive behavior will be documented. And many of these cases of casino security issues like this one, the video comes directly from the casino. They are video taping themselves committing 'crimes' and then turning over the evidence to be used against themselves. Cracks me up. lol.
No I mean the NEW cases from another thread talking the 6th/7th cases about Harrah.Quote: kewljI wouldn't worry about the Binn's lawyer. The same lawyer is representing all three victims in the three videos that were highlighted on 20/20 last night and the lawyer was the one who turned over the video to ABC news. I'd say he is already 'trying' his case. Lol.
As I said earlier, it truly amazes me that Police and security folks in case after case across the country continue with their abusive, excessive force type behaviors as if it is the 1970's and they can get way with it. How can they not realize it is 2014 and everyone has a camera and video capability and every abusive behavior will be documented. And many of these cases of casino security issues like this one, the video comes directly from the casino. They are video tapping themselves committing 'crimes' and then turning over the evidence to be used against themselves. Cracks me up. lol.
Its like the guys running the show are making one bad decision after another. (The empty big wheel in Vegas)
I cant believe they haven't settled with the Binn Family.
Its like they don't have the balls to cut a huge check and instead pay lawyers to drag this out and in the end pay more for the situation.
Too my eyes, the daughters case is so strong its a no brainer to try to settle and settle soon.
What is it with CET?
Is it because its run by a committee instead of one strong individual.
If this happened at Wynn, Wynn would probably fire security, settle with family buying their silence and the video would have never seen the light of day.
Quote: terapinedI really wonder about Harrahs and the huge parent company CET is.
Its like the guys running the show are making one bad decision after another. (The empty big wheel in Vegas)
I cant believe they haven't settled with the Binn Family.
Its like they don't have the balls to cut a huge check and instead pay lawyers to drag this out and in the end pay more for the situation.
Too my eyes, the daughters case is so strong its a no brainer to try to settle and settle soon.
What is it with CET?
Is it because its run by a committee instead of one strong individual.
If this happened at Wynn, Wynn would probably fire security, settle with family buying their silence and the video would have never seen the light of day.
In following these cases over the last decade (mostly in Nevada), quick settlement doesn't seem to be the way it works. They have insurance that is going to cover the settlement anyway, so the strategy almost always seems to be drag it out as long as you can and see if the plaintiffs are willing to pay legal expenses to keep going. As it gets close to trail date is when they will make a settlement. And usually the specific offending individuals will no longer be with the company by that time, having been fired or 'retired'. In this case, I suspect, Security director Doug Rule or Roll will be long gone by the time they settle.
In this case, I would think that strategy of not settling early, and allowing these cases to be aired on numerous national TV programs, was a losing strategy.
Quote: kewljBTW, security director Doug Rule or Roll, is the big white thuggish looking guy that answered the door at Harrah's in a suit and would not let the ABC camera's inside, repeatedly saying "Harrah's has no comment".
Well of course the corporate attorneys told EVERYONE not to comment on the case. And ABC NEWS knew that. But it makes for good footage.
Few of the people watching news items will alter their plans for the weekend because of it.
No one from any incident writes a report... the lawyers coach him and then he writes and re-writes his spontaneous contemporaneous statements. All potential plaintiffs have been drinking and were swearing and belligerent.
Build a ferris wheel in Vegas? Cheaper than building a casino.
Not very true.Quote: FleaStiffFor a company that owes so much money, delay and the courts are there only hope so they perhaps want to get used to the idea.
Few of the people watching news items will alter their plans for the weekend because of it.
No one from any incident writes a report... the lawyers coach him and then he writes and re-writes his spontaneous contemporaneous statements. All potential plaintiffs have been drinking and were swearing and belligerent.
Build a ferris wheel in Vegas? Cheaper than building a casino.
For me Harrah will be out for sure after reading this thread. And I will pass along this story for other players I know of.
This is really bad for a company trying to stay afloat.
Quote: djatcThere is an app that allows you to record video on your phone without the camera light being on. I can't get it to work on my phone, incompatible version, but anyway it's called Police Tape. Always be on guard when dealing with law enforcement. Don't let them take your rights away.
Dealing with private employees inside private property is completely different than dealing with police during a traffic stop. For one thing a business is well within their rights to completely prohibit photography and video recordings (as is the case in every casino I have every been in, as well as most Major retailers , Walmart, etc...).
Police on the other hand can't stop you from recording (though I have seen some try, usually by misquoting a state wiretapping law).
Quote: GandlerQuote: djatcThere is an app that allows you to record video on your phone without the camera light being on. I can't get it to work on my phone, incompatible version, but anyway it's called Police Tape. Always be on guard when dealing with law enforcement. Don't let them take your rights away.
Dealing with private employees inside private property is completely different than dealing with police during a traffic stop. For one thing a business is well within their rights to completely prohibit photography and video recordings (as is the case in every casino I have every been in, as well as most Major retailers , Walmart, etc...).
Police on the other hand can't stop you from recording (though I have seen some try, usually by misquoting a state wiretapping law).
So how do you stop these thugs from illegally detaining us?
Have that Armenian lawyer on speed dial!Quote: djatcSo how do you stop these thugs from illegally detaining us?
Quote: djatcSo how do you stop these thugs from illegally detaining us?
Have you ever been illegally detained? It's not
as common as you think.
Quote: djatcQuote: GandlerQuote: djatcThere is an app that allows you to record video on your phone without the camera light being on. I can't get it to work on my phone, incompatible version, but anyway it's called Police Tape. Always be on guard when dealing with law enforcement. Don't let them take your rights away.
Dealing with private employees inside private property is completely different than dealing with police during a traffic stop. For one thing a business is well within their rights to completely prohibit photography and video recordings (as is the case in every casino I have every been in, as well as most Major retailers , Walmart, etc...).
Police on the other hand can't stop you from recording (though I have seen some try, usually by misquoting a state wiretapping law).
So how do you stop these thugs from illegally detaining us?
When is the last time you have been illegally detained by a private security force?
But, if for whatever reason you are concerned about the security procedures in a casino (or any large business for that matter), the wise thing to do would be to call ahead before going, and ask to speak to a security supervisor and ask if there is any scenario where guard can or might want to detain you.
Quote: djatcNever been detained but I'm not going to figure out what to do when it happens. I prefer to know this beforehand.
Well if a Casino is detaining you it is usually because they want to press charges, so that means the police are on the way to file a charge.
The only other interaction with security most people will possibly have (other than random ID checks) is mostly being escorted out, which is usually when you are playing in a way they don't but they have nothing legally against you they just want you gone and they will just walk you to the door, or out of the gaming floor if they are only barring you from certain games and not banning you...
If you're jumped, beat one guy in the knees hard punching, pulling and pushing. You won't be able to get up but one guy will have trouble walking for beating you.
Quote: Gandler
Dealing with private employees inside private property is completely different than dealing with police during a traffic stop. For one thing a business is well within their rights to completely prohibit photography and video recordings (as is the case in every casino I have every been in, as well as most Major retailers , Walmart, etc...).
Sir, you have a funny way of looking at things. Private employees on private property do NOT have the right to break the law or take the law in to their own hands. At that point THEY are the ones committing a crime and you have every right to document the crime being committed against you.
What next, they can just shoot you, because they are private employees on private property? No, they still must obey the law.
Quote: kewljSir, you have a funny way of looking at things. Private employees on private property do NOT have the right to break the law or take the law in to their own hands. At that point THEY are the ones committing a crime and you have every right to document the crime being committed against you.
What next, they can just shoot you, because they are private employees on private property? No, they still must obey the law.
They actually can shoot you if you are threatening the lives of the employees or the guests. If you run into a casino or store with a gun and start shooting around demanding money, they are well within their rights to return fire.
Whether you are a guy running a corner store by himself and pull a firearm from under the register or an armed security guard at a massive casino, in either scenario you could return fire if they assaulted your property with a weapon like that.
And yes they are well within their rights to ban photography for any reason, call any major retailer (Walmart, Kmart, etc...) or almost any other buisiness and they will explain their policy of not allowing recording devices, and they will also cite their legal backing of their policy.
Its the same concept of shooting a tresspasser on your property (though that varies greatly by state), but public accsess buisnesses are different as they are meant for the general public to enter, but if somebody enters aggresivley with a firearm, they certainly can return fire to scare him off or injure him so that he cannot continue...
Quote: onenickelmiracleHow about calling 911. Verbally describe the situation about being blocked from leaving against your will and having committed no crimes. If they still think they can lie your word against theirs, so be it, but they might clear a path losing their nerve. Sounds like a good idea to me, but maybe not to others. Just don't give your whole name and refuse to do so or the casino could get it.
If you're jumped, beat one guy in the knees hard punching, pulling and pushing. You won't be able to get up but one guy will have trouble walking for beating you.
If a casino is detaining you, it likely means they want to charge you with something, in which case they probably already called 911.
They don't just randomly detain people that they don't like, they just escort them off and tell them not to come back for however long. If you are being detained, they probably already have the police on the way and are planning to charge you or at least threaten to charge you with something.
And that is horrible advice. Even if you are being wrongfully detained (perhaps especially so) punching at a group of armed security guards for holding you down is going to do nothing other than encourage them to start beating you with batons and pepper spray. If you are outnumbered and outgunned the +EV thing to do is to not resist and cooperate as much as you deem reasonable and hope you can talk your way out of it.
Quote: IbeatyouracesCasinos wrongly detain AP's trying to squeeze they're identification from them. And they do this a lot. You've got a lot to learn about how these thugs act.
I have never seen or even heard of this happening in Atlantic City. I have never been to Vegas so maybe the are different there.
Perhaps because NJ ruled that counting is legal and that it is illegal to remove you solely for that reason, so if a Casino wants to remove you the legally safest thing is to make up another excuse to escort you out and temporarily ban you such as "drank too much" "inappropriate conduct" "inappropriate attire" etc.....
But honestly I have always been impressed by security in AC, I spend a lot (maybe most) of my free time in casinos, and I have never had a bad experience. Even when I was escorted out they were professional and even apologized. But I also never get aggressive, and am always polite, and I am a decent speaker, so maybe that is why I manage to stay on everybody's good side. But "thugs" is quite a term, I certainly would not use that term from any of my experiences, I would even go so far as to say Casino security portrays themselves more professionally than most cops I see.
Have you ever been detained by Casino security (if so care to share, I enjoy exciting casino stories)? Also, NJ or Nevada?
Quote: GandlerI have never seen or even heard of this happening in Atlantic City. I have never been to Vegas so maybe the are different there.
Perhaps because NJ ruled that counting is legal and that it is illegal to remove you solely for that reason, so if a Casino wants to remove you the legally safest thing is to make up another excuse to escort you out and temporarily ban you such as "drank too much" "inappropriate conduct" "inappropriate attire" etc.....
But honestly I have always been impressed by security in AC, I spend a lot (maybe most) of my free time in casinos, and I have never had a bad experience. Even when I was escorted out they were professional and even apologized. But I also never get aggressive, and am always polite, and I am a decent speaker, so maybe that is why I manage to stay on everybody's good side. But "thugs" is quite a term, I certainly would not use that term from any of my experiences, I would even go so far as to say Casino security portrays themselves more professionally than most cops I see.
Have you ever been detained by Casino security (if so care to share, I enjoy exciting casino stories)? Also, NJ or Nevada?
I've had security at casinos threaten to take me to the backroom and force me to make a statement saying I cheated, when I clearly didn't. The only reason why I didn't leave was this was my first incident and I really didn't know the procedure (I didn't know I could just leave), also gaming agents were called and I wanted to stick around and give a statement. The security guard did threaten jail time as well because they suspected me of cheating. How can a person of authority deceive and coerce a guilty statement out of an innocent person?
Quote: djatcI've had security at casinos threaten to take me to the backroom and force me to make a statement saying I cheated, when I clearly didn't. The only reason why I didn't leave was this was my first incident and I really didn't know the procedure (I didn't know I could just leave), also gaming agents were called and I wanted to stick around and give a statement. The security guard did threaten jail time as well because they suspected me of cheating. How can a person of authority deceive and coerce a guilty statement out of an innocent person?
Was this AC? Were you counting or doing something else?
I deem you to be naive and not knowledgeable about much. Crime my ass. They want your id and will not care how they have to lie, cheat or steal to get it. Don't be such a fool. Listen and read, and quit trying to reinvent the wheel.Quote: GandlerIf a casino is detaining you, it likely means they want to charge you with something, in which case they probably already called 911.
They don't just randomly detain people that they don't like, they just escort them off and tell them not to come back for however long. If you are being detained, they probably already have the police on the way and are planning to charge you or at least threaten to charge you with something.
And that is horrible advice. Even if you are being wrongfully detained (perhaps especially so) punching at a group of armed security guards for holding you down is going to do nothing other than encourage them to start beating you with batons and pepper spray. If you are outnumbered and outgunned the +EV thing to do is to not resist and cooperate as much as you deem reasonable and hope you can talk your way out of it.
I was jumped once leaving a bar and it was great advice. The dude is still probably limping. I had my ass kicked, but I knew what to do and to not even bother trying to get up wasting my energy.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI deem you to be naive and not knowledgeable about much. Crime my ass. They want your id and will not care how they have to lie, cheat or steal to get it. Don't be such a fool. Listen and read, and quit trying to reinvent the wheel.
I was jumped once leaving a bar and it was great advice. The dude is still probably limping. I had my ass kicked, but I knew what to do and to not even bother trying to get up wasting my energy.
In that scenario that may be good advice, but getting jumped in an alley by unarmed street thugs is a totally different scenario. But if you are confronted by 10 security guard, 2-3 likely have firearms and they all likely have batons and pepper spray. Trying to take out their knees or be a hero would not be good advice, it would make them more angry and you would very likely end up with more injuries.
I am not trying to reinvent anything; I am saying what I would do. I know I don't want batons pulled on me when I can just submit to a take down.
And what does this do with checking your ID? I was under the impression everybody gets their ID checked (after all it is an age limited establishment), so if you refuse to give your ID they are well within their rights to ban you because they probably think that you are underage or already banned. I get my ID taken usually by the first guard that sees me enter the gaming area (before I even start playing), its just standard practice to check everyone's ID to make sure they are legally eligible to be there. They don't need to lie or cheat or anything to get it, they are well within their rights to check everybody's ID even if you look 90.
Quote: GandlerI have never seen or even heard of this happening in Atlantic City. I have never been to Vegas so maybe the are different there.
But honestly I have always been impressed by security in AC, I spend a lot (maybe most) of my free time in casinos, and I have never had a bad experience. Hey guys first post here. And I am probably off the a bad start asking about a betting system. But this has been on my mind. I am sure like all systems it will not work, but I am just curious on what others' opinions are.
Lets say you are playing baccarat (the game I envisioned this for). You and a friend both go with an equal bankroll (lets say 1k each) and agree to combine both of your bankrolls at the end of the session (meaning you split all losses and wins 50/50).
I bet on banker, and my friend bets on player. Whenever one of us loses we double up (don't double up on pushes). One of us would be winning every hand.
In theory the wins would rotate back and forth between the player and banker every other hand or every couple of hands. Which would mean you would both be steadily bringing in money.
Now of course the worst case scenario (and this is where the partner part is key) is if one of you lose 7 hands in a row (or whatever number would break your bankroll). If at a 10minimum table about 7 hands would break 1k. So then when one of you runs out you both stop. Now on those 7 hands that one of you lost everything the other was winning every hand. So even if you 7 losses in a row happens on the very first 7 hands you will only lose 40-45% of your bankroll (my math is probably off, I did all of this off of my head). So even though you both came to the table with 1k you still end up with about 600 or so left.
Obviously this has the same flaw with single player martingale which is when you are bound to run into streaks. But this method has the draw of minimizing personal risk while allowing for a chance of potentially doubling your money in 30 mins if you don't hit any bad streaks.
CASE CLOSED
Quote: AxelWolfCASE CLOSED
Yes I did post that in another thread, not sure how it relates to the issue of property rights in this thread?
