Biased Big 6
Also What happens when the paddle is caught right in the middle of the peg? Is this due over? The casino was calling it to what ever favored them the most. was not interested in informing gaming there is no benefit to me.
Anyone interested in spending some time clocking this to see if the biased is exploitable?
Quote: AxelWolfAnyone interested in spending some time clocking this to see if the biased is exploitable?
I hereby nominate you and anyone who responds for the "Most Dedicated AP" award, or the "Best Fit for Right Personality for an AP" award if they have that one. [vbg]
Do they spin it in both directions? If so, does it go backwards both ways? If so, that seems indicitive of an off balance wheel which might be exploited. If it only reverses from one direction, that sounds like a problem with the axle or bearings which probably can't be exploited.
As for stopping on a peg, it's my understanding that the winner is the last space that the paddle was fully in. That's also the space the paddle points to. I've never seen it ruled for the next space. But either way, there should be a rule on a placard. Or at least a consistent ruling.
Quote: DJTeddyBearBut either way, there should be a rule on a placard.
Rule on the placard around here is that if it stops on a pin, it's a no-spin and a do-over. Not being a Big Six player (just an occasional spectator - very amusing sometimes), I don't remember if players are allowed to change their bets before the next spin.
They also alternate clockwise and counterclockwise spins. Only exception is at dealer changes, when they might do two in a row the same way, then it's back to alternating.
My local game is almost certainly not the one AxelWolf is talking about.
It's probably worth asking how they decide the outcome when it stops on a pin.
While walking by the Big 6 on my way to the to the BJ table. I noticed an attractive young girl with her friends sweating a bet in mid spin, I watched as she got excited the wheel was slowing down (I assumed some jumping up and down would happen)close to her 20 to 1. So, so close, as it seemed to stop in the slot right past the 20 to 1. It delicately hit the peg and rocked back and fourth then started to travel backwards. I was completely shocked. (in all fairness I did have a few to drink so it may have seemed more dramatic) So I had my friend (not an AP)come look and record, I'm not sure how much he recorded. He also acknowledged(his exact words," spooky")Quote: onenickelmiracleDo you have to have money at risk to have standing to complain or just a witness? They don't take anonymous complaints or what?
I was so curious how the wheel would stop and then almost like magic start ticking backwards. I did play to see if this was happening every time(it was) since the the girls left. I have No interested in reporting the biased aspect at this point. I confronted the Pit boss about the peg splitting. He he left the pit and started to sweat my action until I left(you can see him doing so in the Video ) I Never seen a pit boss stand at the Big 6. He Could also see it was rocking backwards as the new dealer said something about, "why does it do that?" . I was winning some(not enough for anyone to care about) I am certain this was just luck.
As far as the Peg splitting BS the Pit boss finally declared it would go to the number that the wheel was spinning towards.
What are they going to go scour the town for a big 6 wheel?Quote: DeMangoWhy would you post this knowing casino personnel visit this site? PGD and Eliot?
TB I did think about that, I weighed the risk with the reward, If I really thought is was worth a significant amount, I wouldn't. Its not like the wheel is gravitating to a particular region.
My reward is, I don't have the time or will to go sit and clock it. I also don't want to get booted from this particular casino. So if posting on here will bring out someone very skilled at this it worth it. I think the risk is minimal in posting and the reward is greater for me. Its not like I know a ton of big 6 experts I can contact privately.
Also If they can find this place or happen to work with this place God bless them, I don't even know there is an edge, I'm not willing to go clock it and find out. It will not last long no matter what. I was already getting heat.
Quote: AxelWolfWhat are they going to go scour the town for a big 6 wheel?
Not as hard as you think.....there aren't that many manual big wheels left. First of all, few of the local type casinos even have big wheels. It is mostly confined to the tourist areas like strip. And about half that used to have the big wheel, now have one of the electronic versions, like Aruze. Of the manual one's left many only operate during busier times of evenings and weekends.
Back in 2012, I was playing quite a bit of the wheel, using the common AP approach to the wheel. I can tell you that while you are correct, no place has pit assigned to the wheel, as a matter of fact many places the wheel stands off by itself, that does not mean it isn't being watched. I was backed off the wheel more times in 2012 that BJ games, especially a couple EE stores. And here's the problem with the wheel as far as heat and drawing attention: Most players playing, bet white ($1) or red. Occasionally you will see a green chip on one of the low payout, even money or 2-1 wagers. But anyone betting green regularly or even red regularly on numerous spins stands out like a $1000 bettor at other table games, and will be noticed and tracked.
Just a side note to my own experimental 2012 run with the wheel: I had good success, especially early on, way above expectation, but it did start to even out and come down closer to expectation for me, which was still better than expected results. But, between the heat, and excruciating boredom of the game, along with that I could see there was not a lot of longevity as games were and continue to be replaced by electronic versions, I just moved on. Really the heat was the biggest thing. I felt like heat from this 'secondary' AP technique for me, might threaten my primary APing if I continued (something to think about).
Quote: kewljI was backed off the wheel more times in 2012 that BJ games
Wow... that's got to be a good feeling... "you are welcome to play any game other than Big Six..."
Quote: kewljNot as hard as you think.....there aren't that many manual big wheels left. First of all, few of the local type casinos even have big wheels. It is mostly confined to the tourist areas like strip. And about half that used to have the big wheel, now have one of the electronic versions, like Aruze. Of the manual one's left many only operate during busier times of evenings and weekends.
Back in 2012, I was playing quite a bit of the wheel, using the common AP approach to the wheel. I can tell you that while you are correct, no place has pit assigned to the wheel, as a matter of fact many places the wheel stands off by itself, that does not mean it isn't being watched. I was backed off the wheel more times in 2012 that BJ games, especially a couple EE stores. And here's the problem with the wheel as far as heat and drawing attention: Most players playing, bet white ($1) or red. Occasionally you will see a green chip on one of the low payout, even money or 2-1 wagers. But anyone betting green regularly or even red regularly on numerous spins stands out like a $1000 bettor at other table games, and will be noticed and tracked.
Just a side note to my own experimental 2012 run with the wheel: I had good success, especially early on, way above expectation, but it did start to even out and come down closer to expectation for me, which was still better than expected results. But, between the heat, and excruciating boredom of the game, along with that I could see there was not a lot of longevity as games were and continue to be replaced by electronic versions, I just moved on. Really the heat was the biggest thing. I felt like heat from this 'secondary' AP technique for me, might threaten my primary APing if I continued (something to think about).
I don't want to mess with anyones AP action. But how would a biased big six wheel be beatable? I'm not a big six expert but isn't the wheel made up of essentially the same pattern that repeats 4 times. The distribution of 1,2,5,20 etc. is the same from sector to sector isn't it? Its not like a gaffed roulette wheel where certain numbers are much more likely to appear. Clearly I'm missing something. Any enlightenment would be appreciated.
the distribution is not identical. Sure every second or third slot is a $1. Slightly less $2 spots, less $5, less $10, only two $20 spots and one each of the $40 Joker/logo spots.Quote: vendman1I don't want to mess with anyones AP action. But how would a biased big six wheel be beatable? I'm not a big six expert but isn't the wheel made up of essentially the same pattern that repeats 4 times. The distribution of 1,2,5,20 etc. is the same from sector to sector isn't it? Its not like a gaffed roulette wheel where certain numbers are much more likely to appear. Clearly I'm missing something. Any enlightenment would be appreciated.
OK, now assume that the bias is such that the result is in a section of 10 spots with even distribution. If that section contains a $20 spot, bet it and you're playing a +100% game. If it contains the Joker or logo spot, bet it and you're playing a +300% game.
If I was a floor sup. and saw a big 6 wheel "back up" like the one we are talking about; I'd close the game and call maintenance immediately.
Its for trainee dealers. Its a no brainer job. No body really thinks its vulnerable because the odds are so bad since its a game for dullards always placed in the entryway to lure the simpleton's more deeply into the carnival.
Quote: FleaStiffA big six wheel is often subject to bias.
Its for trainee dealers. Its a no brainer job. No body really thinks its vulnerable because the odds are so bad since its a game for dullards always placed in the entryway to lure the simpleton's more deeply into the carnival.
So you're saying I should stop? Lol
"We have a max bet on the Big 6 wheel."
Quote: AhighWinning at Big 6, huh? Yeah, that wouldn't look suspicious.
"We have a max bet on the Big 6 wheel."
The max bet is $25.
(Well, technically not, but a lot of places have a $2000 max payout, so, if you're betting on the 40-1, the max bet is $25)
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceThe max bet is $25.
(Well, technically not, but a lot of places have a $2000 max payout, so, if you're betting on the 40-1, the max bet is $25)
I've always wondered how that worked. Like, I've seen BJ tables with 6 spots, 5000max, and a note saying that aggregate payout per hand is 15000. Are they just going to tell the fourth guy betting max 'Sorry! We're over limit. Not paying you.'
Not exactly. Ignoring double and BJ for a sec..Quote: VenthusI've always wondered how that worked. Like, I've seen BJ tables with 6 spots, 5000max, and a note saying that aggregate payout per hand is 15000. Are they just going to tell the fourth guy betting max 'Sorry! We're over limit. Not paying you.'
If 4 guys bet $5000 and 3 won, no problem. If all 4 won, they'd each be paid $3,750. That's what aggregate means.
