Black Jack Help

Ok I know this has been talked about before and it's nothing new. It was even brought up by a SYSTEM player who was talking garbage and playing incorrectly and it polluted the thread.

Lets say you could use a computer to count and give you precise plays for an online casino where you could count cards. with fair rules and lets say 60% penetration 4 decks and spread 1 to 250. What does the extra precise plays add what is this worth. We will assume the online casino is 100% fair for arguments sake.

Anyone know of any software that does this off hand. I thought I seen one before.

Quote: AxelWolf

Ok I know this has been talked about before and it's nothing new. It was even brought up by a SYSTEM player who was talking garbage and playing incorrectly and it polluted the thread.

Lets say you could use a computer to count and give you precise plays for an online casino where you could count cards. with fair rules and lets say 60% penetration 4 decks and spread 1 to 250. What does the extra precise plays add what is this worth. We will assume the online casino is 100% fair for arguments sake.

Anyone know of any software that does this off hand. I thought I seen one before.

I don't know the answer and I don't believe any of Norm's CV software can simulate computer-perfect play. But I'm sure someone has done research on it...

Quote: AcesAndEights

I don't know the answer and I don't believe any of Norm's CV software can simulate computer-perfect play. But I'm sure someone has done research on it...

If we are ok only taking the current hand and shoe composition into account, writing a program to give you the right play for each hand would not be too difficult.

Technically, you could argue that this is not "perfect", since you could do better by taking the effect of taking cards on future hands into account (particularly in games without a cut card)

Don't forget to add a feature to the program on the odds of you getting paid . Unless the game is on BOVADA, of course !

Quote: Buzzard

Don't forget to add a feature to the program on the odds of you getting paid . Unless the game is on BOVADA, of course !

Bovada dose not have live dealers or BJ where it shows you a shuffle point.

The avrage person should worry about this I wouldn't be so worried myself. I have been paid by 99% of the online casinos I have played at, any non paying was due to my laziness and neglect. I think i was stiffed for a few hundred at bet victor before they changed over. I have played more then I can count, including the Casino On Net's 007 roulette promotion.

Bovada is not the only online casino that has a good reputation.

I can see where being to greedy blatant and stupid, running up and account into the many thousands might get some scrutiny.
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AC laws probably prohibit the use of an electronic device in casinos what about an online casino if you are already using a computer? I wonder if this would be technically illegal?

I have reserached this a long time ago and found 2 different websites that have this (I think Java code). Looking through my favourites, I found them still there:
http://www.bewersdorff-online.de/black-jack/
http://www.bjstrat.net/cgi-bin/cdca.cgi
If I remember correctly at the time, I checked a few hands to see how reliable they were and I think for one of the two the figures looked off (do not rember which one)
Aslo they are not practical for what you are thinking to do. Practically you want to input the cards for the player and dealer as they come out, the system to calculate optimal strategy based on remaining composition BUT also to update the compaosition for the next hand.
They do not work like that, one of them only calculates
bewersdorff: Only calculates Optimal for all Hands (only initial 2) re specific deck composition (so nothing after the first hit card and no update on composition)
bjsrat: Calculates Optimal for Specific Player Hand for all Dealer Up re specific deck composition. (can handle 3rd, 4th etc but the update of the compositition is indpendent of the input cards)

Quote: AceTwo

I have reserached this a long time ago and found 2 different websites that have this (I think Java code). Looking through my favourites, I found them still there:
http://www.bewersdorff-online.de/black-jack/
http://www.bjstrat.net/cgi-bin/cdca.cgi
If I remember correctly at the time, I checked a few hands to see how reliable they were and I think for one of the two the figures looked off (do not rember which one)
Aslo they are not practical for what you are thinking to do. Practically you want to input the cards for the player and dealer as they come out, the system to calculate optimal strategy based on remaining composition BUT also to update the compaosition for the next hand.
They do not work like that, one of them only calculates
bewersdorff: Only calculates Optimal for all Hands (only initial 2) re specific deck composition (so nothing after the first hit card and no update on composition)
bjsrat: Calculates Optimal for Specific Player Hand for all Dealer Up re specific deck composition. (can handle 3rd, 4th etc but the update of the compositition is indpendent of the input cards)

Thank you. Any Idea what this adds overall?

Quote: AxelWolf

Thank you. Any Idea what this adds overall?

Not really. Never pursue this further as I could not find a software that does exactly what I needed, including running a Sim for perfect play.

If you do find out how much difference it makes espcially for multi decks wih low pen, say 6 decks with 4/6 pen I would be inetrested also to know.

AceTwo's explanation is Ok here. 4 of 6 decks is NOT good penetration, and IMHO "perfect" computations ARE NOT so with 2 decks behind the cut-card. It would be a small loss of House Advantage if flat-betting using Basic Strat as initial method. /IMHO