Quote: arcticfunI mean, suppose you have $x in chips from a single weekend, and x > 10k. At what point would you request a check instead of cash? I've walked out of a casino with $15k before, but I cashed chips in over consecutive nights because i was staying at the hotel, so each transaction was less than 10k.
Isn't that structuring?
Yes it is.Quote: RSIsn't that structuring?
Quote: geoffYes it is.
No, it probably is not as an isolated case. Structuring requires intent to avoid reporting requirements, beyond any reasonable doubt. Since a routine CTR should have been filed and he apparently lacks knowledge on the subject, this suggests he lacked intent. This law has a quirk because ignorance of the law can be a defense.
Quote: geoffYes it is.
I think it depends on the circumstances. If I go to a casino for a weekend with $5k in cash, buy in for $2k on Friday, win $6k, and cash out all my $8k, go to sleep, buy in for another $2k on Saturday, win $7k, and cash out all my $9k and go home with $18k in my pocket, that is not structuring. I never had more than $10k in chips in my possession to cash out. The casino will have records showing that I won the money over two days.
On the other hand if I won all $13k on Friday, but cash it out over 2 days, I think it would be difficult to claim that it was not structuring.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI think it depends on the circumstances. If I go to a casino for a weekend with $5k in cash, buy in for $2k on Friday, win $6k, and cash out all my $8k, go to sleep, buy in for another $2k on Saturday, win $7k, and cash out all my $9k and go home with $18k in my pocket, that is not structuring. I never had more than $10k in chips in my possession to cash out. The casino will have records showing that I won the money over two days.
On the other hand if I won all $13k on Friday, but cash it out over 2 days, I think it would be difficult to claim that it was not structuring.
If you split the transactions in half, and played equal amounts each day, it probably would not be structuring. If you did not play at all the next day and cashed out $3,001 24 hours after your first cash out, then it probably would be structuring.
Casinos (and all other financial institutions) take Title 31 VERY seriously. finCEN takes their jobs very seriously too and they are rigorously enforcing the laws. Casinos will attempt to get as much information on your playing habits and indeed your cashing out habits as they deem necessary to make an accurate decision about your intentions.
My suggestion would be very similar to the rest here. Just play with a players card, give the casinos the details they require (ID, Social and the like) and pay your taxes when they are due. Remember, if a casino hands you or sends you a W-2, that means that the IRS has a copy too.
I don't think it is worth messing with your other business or gainful employment just to try and duke the government out of their fair share.
Quote: SonuvabishStructuring requires intent to avoid reporting requirements, beyond any reasonable doubt.
I wonder if this applies to casinos as well? Fremont Casino (downtown) has a big advertisement on the side of the building advertising jackpots of $1199! Clearly this is about avoiding that $1200 threshold that requires a hand pay and paperwork. Isn't that the definition of structuring?
Quote: kewljI wonder if this applies to casinos as well? Fremont Casino (downtown) has a big advertisement on the side of the building advertising jackpots of $1199! Clearly this is about avoiding that $1200 threshold that requires a hand pay and paperwork. Isn't that the definition of structuring?
No, they are just paying you less than the amount that requires a form. It's not like they are saying, instead of paying you $2000 for your jackpot, we will pay you $1000 on this spin and give you a $1000 bonus on your next spin.
Quote: kewljI wonder if this applies to casinos as well? Fremont Casino (downtown) has a big advertisement on the side of the building advertising jackpots of $1199! Clearly this is about avoiding that $1200 threshold that requires a hand pay and paperwork. Isn't that the definition of structuring?
I think the casino is using it as a marketing tool rather than an evation of the threshold. They are attempting to draw customers in who know about the threshold and want to avoid it.
I guess the casinos can offer any jackpot payout they want within the regulations set forth by the NGC.
Same as I have suggested about 3:2 blackjack with liberal rules. Advertise and market that bad boy and hopefully your drop will increase.
Also, there are no W2s from blackjack.