I'm autistic

Asperger's to be exact. Light-moderate Asperger's. As such, I am a bit out of touch with the reality. I'm physically unable to see things the way a normal person would and the only way for me to know is ask. So I'm serious when I say "I can't empathize with X" and etc.

Anyway recently been getting a bit of hostile replies on my threads here in this forums. Commonly "not everyone thinks in term of math, you insensitive sociopath, you think you're so divine because you understand the math behind gambling" and etc. And getting yelled at for a myriad of other stuff as well.

I'm not offended, and my autism is probably the reason. I can't empathize with why people get offended with another person they don't even know insulting them on the internet, and then starting long post wars. But I'm not going to ask.

That said, I'm bringing this up because it's starting to get old. These kind of answers "fk you self-righteous asshole" are getting in the way of the real answers that I'm after. They're almost like spam to me. I hope I can be seeing less of that in the future.

I do apologize for the social awkwardness my autism has caused. Hope this clear things up.

Yeah, I figured. I was going to ask, but I didn't know how to bring it up (particularly if you weren't aware of it yourself). Your questions about "why do people do this" or "help me empathize with people who do that" made it pretty clear.

You never bothered me and actually your question about expired things was actually a good topic. I'm the only friend of someone with the same condition as you and I'm sure you're much better off than him.

A long litany of threads that seem very "impulsive" almost as if you were an observer rather than participant and are not even re-visited by you for additional posts didn't exactly give things away but sure had many of us wondering if you were indeed Neurologically Typical or not. I noted the name and wondered if it represented to you a sort of "zero"... neither positive nor negative, without charge, without direction, without a clear identity.

I've been interested in genetics and smoking/gambling. Really more genetics and Reward Deficiency Syndrome, thats why I was wondering what was up and was waiting for a thread wherein you asked about turning a key to the left or right.

Autism is a spectrum of deficits and Aspergers syndrome really falls short of even a High Functioning autism. I think, now that you have broached the subject, you will probably be given a little more leeway.

Some people are giving you a hard time because of the amount of threads that you start. 26% of your posts have been a new thread. That shows that you are not even engaging in a thread that you start most of the time and you are not participating in other peoples discussions. I couldn't care less especially since we have a block button but I wanted to give my 2 cents.

I was rather aspy when I was younger. I had no understanding of why people would ever prefer style to comfort and wore socks to my knees and shorts to the knees from the other direction. I was pathologically honest, good with patterns, ect...

I've experimented with various diets over the years, for mental and physical performance reasons, and I think these diets, often conscious of foods associated with aspergers/autism, have reduced these aspy tendencies. This seems like a good thing overall. In an increasingly population dense and political world, asperger's seems like a target ripe for (negetive) selection, but by it's nature, doesn't lend itself to political appeals.

Sometimes I wonder if studying game theory and econonics is the best way to help aspy's understand other's decision making even if it's not exactly intuitive.

Quote: socks

Sometimes I wonder if studying game theory and econonics is the best way to help aspy's understand other's decision making even if it's not exactly intuitive.

I wonder if someone with Aspergers has to understand the decision making process of the Neurologically Typical. Often its best to let someone just be a great programmer who earns a high salary but has to hire a fashion coordinator and a maid.

Quote: Neutrino

Asperger's to be exact. Light-moderate Asperger's. As such, I am a bit out of touch with the reality. I'm physically unable to see things the way a normal person would and the only way for me to know is ask. So I'm serious when I say "I can't empathize with X" and etc.

Anyway recently been getting a bit of hostile replies on my threads here in this forums. Commonly "not everyone thinks in term of math, you insensitive sociopath, you think you're so divine because you understand the math behind gambling" and etc. And getting yelled at for a myriad of other stuff as well.

I'm not offended, and my autism is probably the reason. I can't empathize with why people get offended with another person they don't even know insulting them on the internet, and then starting long post wars. But I'm not going to ask.

That said, I'm bringing this up because it's starting to get old. These kind of answers "fk you self-righteous asshole" are getting in the way of the real answers that I'm after. They're almost like spam to me. I hope I can be seeing less of that in the future.

I do apologize for the social awkwardness my autism has caused. Hope this clear things up.

I'm not sure how you think about poker. It sounded like you wanted to replace logic and theory with math and a mechanical type system. This is a bad idea.

I don't know much about your condition, but your post seems to suggest its not a at high level.

Quote: FleaStiff

I wonder if someone with Aspergers has to understand the decision making process of the Neurologically Typical. Often its best to let someone just be a great programmer who earns a high salary but has to hire a fashion coordinator and a maid.

Holding and expressing politically incorrect ideas is increasingly costly. Over the past year or two programming conferences have joined the rest of the world and started falling all over themselves in search of diversity (which happens to be women in this context). People are losing jobs. Well known tech people have been called out for pretty benign comments. One Ruby conference was canceled last year for it's lack of diversity. The other side claimed there ways to add diversity, but I can just picture an aspy leaning coordinator feeling overwhelmed at not only putting on a good conference but respond to ridiculous seeming social demands. Just being a good programmer might not be enough.

Quote: AxelWolf

I'm not sure how you think about poker. It sounded like you wanted to replace logic and theory with math and a mechanical type system. This is a bad idea.

I don't know much about your condition, but your post seems to suggest its not a at high level.

I think for someone with autism, NL hold em would be the worst possible casino game to play. I think limit would be much better for you because it is much more math based.

Quote: AxelWolf

I'm not sure how you think about poker. It sounded like you wanted to replace logic and theory with math and a mechanical type system. This is a bad idea.

I don't know much about your condition, but your post seems to suggest its not a at high level.

I absolutely want a math system for playing poker but I'm not trying to replace logic and theory, I'm trying to replace feel.

And to be fair I'm not the only one who thinks poker is a math game not a feel game, many pros would agree with me.

Quote: FinsRule

I think for someone with autism, NL hold em would be the worst possible casino game to play. I think limit would be much better for you because it is much more math based.

That sounds very interesting, could you explain why limit would have more math than NL? Both seems to be very math intense.

Quote: socks

Sometimes I wonder if studying game theory and econonics is the best way to help aspy's understand other's decision making even if it's not exactly intuitive.

As for my condition, I never felt bad for myself because of it. Autism is one of the rare conditions that often comes with positive side effects that makes normal people envious. I feel like my math abilities, especially my math intuition comes from my Autism.

I feel like in theory an autistic can act normal if he has all the knowledge/information a normal person has. I don't think autism restricts a person's ability to act normal, it restricts the person's ability to KNOW what is normal. Unfortunately social dynamics many times can just not be put into words. So the disadvantage for the autistic is that he can not intuitively know things that people normally know. So to compensate, he basically needs to learn the things that are natural to others.

On the other hand, it's probably very difficult for the normal person to learn the talents that an autistic comes with naturally.

Quote: FinsRule

I think for someone with autism, NL hold em would be the worst possible casino game to play. I think limit would be much better for you because it is much more math based.

I eventually specialized in limit, though I did play NL for a while. And there is a lot of very usable math wrt NL, but one time I thought I would try to incorporate "reads" (for lack of a better way of putting it). My first attempt was calling this Korean player relatively light because I thought he was bluffing. I was exactly wrong as he had the nuts, and though that's probably better than somewhat wrong, I quickly went back to a game based largely on math.

Quote: Neutrino

That sounds very interesting, could you explain why limit would have more math than NL? Both seems to be very math intense.

Both are. But with NL, you're able to bet a lot more in crucial spots, and at times you may be able to "sense behavior" in your opponent that overrules the math. For low-limit NL though (1/2, even 2/5), I think this "reading skill" is vastly overrated. But then again, I'm a very non-observant math guy too.

Quote: Neutrino

That sounds very interesting, could you explain why limit would have more math than NL? Both seems to be very math intense.

The short answer is that the game space of no-limit supports more bluffing. The long answer is much longer, major points include:
being able to calculate implied pot odds almost exactly in limit, but only being able to estimate them in NL;
you can calculate the EV of drawing hands almost exactly;
it is harder to bluff someone off a hand, because their exposure is limited if they are wrong, so the better hands win more often.

That being said, there is room to play tricky in limit, but as a math person I have a lot more documented success in limit. As I wandered into better NL games I found a lot of my big decisions were being made based on trying to put my opponent on a range of hands. There is a lot of guesswork here, some math, a lot feel, and you can never be sure if you were right. There are pros who use a lot of math, but there are also pros who just reason out the logic, make decision based on experience, and don't crunch number every hand.

I highly recommend you study limit carefully. You will do well in the long-term there.

You'll definitely get more sympathy here now with your revelation. I have to guess there are few people who are good at math that score really low on Autism tests [where a higher score means more autistic ]

On the other hand, not everyone is a math guy here

Quote: odiousgambit

You'll definitely get more sympathy here now with your revelation. I have to guess there are few people who are good at math that score really low on Autism tests [where a higher score means more autistic ]

On the other hand, not everyone is a math guy here

One random internet test I took called me borderline for Asperger's. I think I initially found it here. I'm definitely no social butterfly or anything; beer helps with me with that...lol

Quote: Neutrino

I absolutely want a math system for playing poker but I'm not trying to replace logic and theory, I'm trying to replace feel.

LOL. No matter how you slice it:

Poker is a card game played with people AND Poker is a people game played with cards are each true statements.

The author of "A Girlhood Amongst Gamblers" taught her younger sister to play poker by alternating each hand between "Play Me, Not the Cards" and "Play the Cards, Not Me". "Feel" is a part of it all. Always will be. Even in Evidence Based Medicine, "feel" is vital.

Quote: Neutrino

And to be fair I'm not the only one who thinks poker is a math game not a feel game, many pros would agree with me.
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Only dumb ones especially in a NL game. Let me be clear, Obviously someone should have at least an estimate of proper odds needed to call a particular hand, something like a flush draw, but this dose not need to be exact. Even some good players can't tell you exactly whats in the pot after a ton of action and exactly what odds they need to call a particular hand.

I doubt YOU or most people could beat a live NL game of poker consistently with only Math.

We would have to define what math means when it comes to poker. Knowing AA is better then KK, is that considered math?

Quote: AxelWolf

Only dumb ones especially in a NL game. Let me be clear, Obviously someone should have at least an estimate of proper odds needed to call a particular hand, something like a flush draw, but this dose not need to be exact. Even some good players can't tell you exactly whats in the pot after a ton of action and exactly what odds they need to call a particular hand.

I doubt YOU or most people could beat a live NL game of poker consistently with only Math.

We would have to define what math means when it comes to poker. Knowing AA is better then KK, is that considered math?

I think the "math" means if you are playing correctly in a way to maximize EV. You don't need to know the math behind it, but you need to know the mathematically proper play. [Imagine 9/6 JoB. You don't need to know the EV or math of holding a King vs King Ten suited if there's a 9 & flush penalty....but you know the King only is better in this situation.] The more mathematically sound plays you know, the more "math" you know.

So yes, knowing that AA is better than KK is math.

I strongly disagree with the tone, here, downplaying the role of math in playing winning poker, even NL, at a high level.

Pick up a copy of The Mathematics of Poker by Bill Chen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Chen

Listen to the recent Bob Dancer Podcast with Miller on it and he not only covers some interesting mathematical results on bluffing frequency, but also comments on Phil Ivey having recently produced instructional videos showing that he thinks about the game in the roughly the same terms that other good players do and that it's not some mystical alternative approach based on raw talent or psychic powers.

Tells are largely worthless at the higher levels because good players have so few and are so good at lieing in various ways. Beyond that, I'm not sure what people being "a people game" means. You can observe betting patterns w/o ever looking at someone's face. I was more stubborn than many players who liked to make good folds or at least feared embarrassment by making borderline calls, and I can't tell you how many times the rest of the table were surprised to see me call what turned out to be bluffs. People, of all types, bluff more than other mediocre players give them credit for because people really aren't that good at playing this "people game", and when you rely on the math and don't make good folds, or marginal folds, you get to see this.

I agree with earlier comments that you should consider the game with a more probabilistically. I believe it was your thread that put the opponent on exactly AKo and went from there. You should start with a range of hands based on opponents past behaviors. Note, this is quantifiable, though admittedly quite fuzzy for a while, for each given opponent. As a hand progresses, update the range of hands you believe the opponent could have based on the actions of the hand. Away from the table, grab a poker calculator and step through hands, looking at both equities and board hit rates of the opponents as you step through hands. Sometimes, you may find opponent's behavior sets leave them open to pure bluffs because their play isn't balanced, and even though there average equity for a given hand range may suggest they have to call, the range of hands they hold will be bifurcated and they will have to fold enough that you show an immediate profit. Note that you are actually counting hands here. Maybe you're playing against someone and You've observe basic betting patterns, possibly without ever looking up at the player's face, and you they appear to be an ok limit player who's not making any adjustments for the NL game. He opens a few off the button, and you start with, say, a 14% range that you know contains: {AA-77, ATo+, KJo, QJo, A8s, K9s, QTs, JTs}, that's 48 pairs (8*6 combos), 52 suited hands (13*4), and 84 non-suited hands (7*12). The board comes 865r and you know that the player has no pair a quarter of the time and a single pair about half the time. Often they will give up this single pair. So you have the potential for a bluff, since the other player isn't a NL player (judged by the observed opening distribution) and he may not defend adequately. From The Mathematics of Poker, we know that you should bluff with the best hands you wouldn't otherwise play and also the % of time you should make a bluff. So, looking at the range of hands you would play in this situation, if you're hand falls into the borderline playable range, you may want to contest the hand with very little.

Anyway, That's an, admittedly very rough, start to a hand analysis. Don't start with the opponent on AKo, and then go for hot/cold numbers. I think when many people are so quick to say that poker is "a people game", they simply haven't put enough hours into the training sites and away from table analysis to know what's going through good player's heads when they make plays. You actually want to count the hands and the ways they hit the board and the ways you hit the board and many other things...

As others have said, I think you would likely be better off in limit, though you can also be successful in NL with a math heavy approach, as long as you can look at bluffs as necessary "plays" and not "lies", since aspy's are notoriously bad at lieing. I would also suggest that you subscribe to one of the instructional video sites. I'm not really up to date on what's good, but when I was playing DuecesCracked was great and was probably the best single learning tool I made use of (that and a simple poker calculator like PokerCruncher)

Quote: Neutrino

And to be fair I'm not the only one who thinks poker is a math game not a feel game, many pros would agree with me

There's a scene in "The Cincinnati Kid" where one of the players, a doctor I think, openly makes a mathematical calculation on every hand. He complains when he loses a hand that his play was "mathematically correct". He is the first to lose his bankroll and drop out IIRC.

Don't let this be you.

I was at the track today, so didn't get a chance to respond. But everyone hit on the major points.

Yes, you should be good at math to play NL. But when I say "tells" I really mean tendencies. In limit there are basically none. Your decisions are pretty much fixed. And the players/plays are generally predictable. Calculating your pot odds, and implied pot odds are so much more important.

Quote: odiousgambit

There's a scene in "The Cincinnati Kid" where one of the players, a doctor I think, openly makes a mathematical calculation on every hand. He complains when he loses a hand that his play was "mathematically correct". He is the first to lose his bankroll and drop out IIRC.

Don't let this be you.

Do you really think "The Cincinnati Kid" is relevant here? "Feel" is a nice skill to have, but some NL players have analyzed things to the point where all the numbers and math basically cover their lack of "feel". There is probably 10X more literature on no-limit holdem than all the other poker games combined. Do you think a lot of that discusses "feel"? Fish also play on "feel", and there are quite a few of those at the lower levels. If math is applied correctly (which isn't easy for many, and takes a lot of practice), one definitely can be a success at the game.

Ideally it would be nice he was strong in both, but I wouldn't be steering him away from casino NLHE just because he struggles with things like picking up tells.

Quote: tringlomane

Ideally it would be nice he was strong in both, but I wouldn't be steering him away from casino NLHE just because he struggles with things like picking up tells.

I absolutely still want to continue no limit. As I mentioned earlier in the tread, I believe autism only limits a person's natural (default, innate, however you want to call it) ability to pick up social cues, tells in this case. But I believe it can be learned. I may not be able to know a "tsk" means someone's got nuts but I can read up on tells and look the tell up and know it means they've got nuts.

Even assuming the game is both feel and math, my autism still works in my benefit in this case because tells should be much easier to learn than math (I think, right?).


That said, most the arguments for "poker is a game of feel" relate somewhat to tells. So what about online poker? Are we safe to say online poker is a pure math game with no feel? I mean do you really want to sit in a hand where you go "hmm, I think he has something" or use HUD to say "Hmm his tendencies shows he bluffs in 30% of situations like this so I should analyze my equity and decide what to do" Thanks to HUD everything a person does at the table becomes just numbers, turning the game into a math game.

I think the math is the easiest part about poker. Knowing why someone bets what they bet is the hard part. I play limit.

Quote: Neutrino

I absolutely still want to continue no limit. As I mentioned earlier in the tread, I believe autism only limits a person's natural (default, innate, however you want to call it) ability to pick up social cues, tells in this case. But I believe it can be learned. I may not be able to know a "tsk" means someone's got nuts but I can read up on tells and look the tell up and know it means they've got nuts.

Even assuming the game is both feel and math, my autism still works in my benefit in this case because tells should be much easier to learn than math (I think, right?).


That said, most the arguments for "poker is a game of feel" relate somewhat to tells. So what about online poker? Are we safe to say online poker is a pure math game with no feel? I mean do you really want to sit in a hand where you go "hmm, I think he has something" or use HUD to say "Hmm his tendencies shows he bluffs in 30% of situations like this so I should analyze my equity and decide what to do" Thanks to HUD everything a person does at the table becomes just numbers, turning the game into a math game.

even online you have to have some feel. I don't know if HUD tells you when or that someone is now on tilt, or if they have changed the way they play, because they know more how you play. how can a HUD tell you what, a player thinks of YOU specifically. Playing poker without feel is such a foreign concept to me, I don't know how one can do it properly. knowing what other players are capable of in NL is a key part of play. You should be making constant adjustments to your game, how can make dictate when you should be doing that?

I can only imagine playing without "FEEL" like playing a game of poker blindfolded during a game musical chairs. I don't know how someone could make much money in NL playing that way. ( Bac system players must think the same thing about math guys )

There are enough donkeys around on Friday and Saturday nights, you can play very tight ABC poker and make some money. Heck, sometimes guy's will look right at you and say, "WOW this guy never plays a hand unless he has ACES". Then proceed to call you all in with Pocket Jacks.

Quote: Neutrino

Even assuming the game is both feel and math, my autism still works in my benefit in this case because tells should be much easier to learn than math (I think, right?).


That said, most the arguments for "poker is a game of feel" relate somewhat to tells. So what about online poker? Are we safe to say online poker is a pure math game with no feel? I mean do you really want to sit in a hand where you go "hmm, I think he has something" or use HUD to say "Hmm his tendencies shows he bluffs in 30% of situations like this so I should analyze my equity and decide what to do" Thanks to HUD everything a person does at the table becomes just numbers, turning the game into a math game.

Eh, "tells" are definitely not easy for me, but there is a little bit of literature on the issue. Most notably by Mike Caro: "Caro's Book of Poker Tells".

As for online, yeah, a lot more math, but sometimes timing patterns on bets, or bet sizes can indicate things. But since you're behind a computer that could be easier for you to discern as well.

But the casino donkeys Axel's talking about on Fri./Sat. night are much easier targets than most online players.

Both are important for NL. You can't win if you have one without the other. HOWEVER I think it's much better to have awesome feel and average math rather than average feel and awesome math.

So I guess I'm saying feel is more important but if you don't have some math as well you're dead.

Interesting original post. What I say is based on relative ignorance of Aspergers. I read a little about it and saw a movie a couple years ago. So I could be talking outofmy ass.
I Read tht personal interaction is limited, such as no eye contact etc. If this is the case with you, people a the table who do have interaction and reads will have an advantage over you in that respect. It was mentioned that the real good players dont give tells....which is true...but they recognize tells of the weaker players. And generally at a table with the people I play and most peopleplaywith.,.....THERE ARENT ALOT OF VERY GOOD PLAYERS..in my circles.

"interactions" exemplified ......the WSOP main even that Jaime Gold won. He is an extreme case..but he showed what interaction can do to help one win. He walked the line and sometimes crossed it....and rules were institiuted....but still his interaction, giving tells, false tells, playing with people making them wonder if the tell he was overtly giving was real or an act.

And sometimes you have to interact and act in order to win a HAND.

Sometimes making a "hero call" is not just a call that you pull out of your ass....its often a call based on keen player observation coupled with math

Gold was a perfect example of someone who played the cards and also played the player.

Quote: LarryS

Gold was a perfect example of someone who played the cards and also played the player.

Gold's pretty much broke now...what does that say? lol

At least Darvin Moon was smart and basically "retired from poker".

Quote: tringlomane

Gold's pretty much broke now...what does that say? lol

At least Darvin Moon was smart and basically "retired from poker".

He just ran bad..... for a few years. and 100 more tournaments.

Quote: djatc

He just ran bad..... for a few years. and 100 more tournaments.

run bad...right... ;)

He did get Doyle to fold a better flush on "High Stakes Poker" once. I think he was eating a bowl of blueberries then too...lol

Quote: Neutrino

Asperger's to be exact. Light-moderate Asperger's. As such, I am a bit out of touch with the reality. I'm physically unable to see things the way a normal person would and the only way for me to know is ask. So I'm serious when I say "I can't empathize with X" and etc.

Anyway recently been getting a bit of hostile replies on my threads here in this forums. Commonly "not everyone thinks in term of math, you insensitive sociopath, you think you're so divine because you understand the math behind gambling" and etc. And getting yelled at for a myriad of other stuff as well.

I'm not offended, and my autism is probably the reason. I can't empathize with why people get offended with another person they don't even know insulting them on the internet, and then starting long post wars. But I'm not going to ask.

That said, I'm bringing this up because it's starting to get old. These kind of answers "fk you self-righteous asshole" are getting in the way of the real answers that I'm after. They're almost like spam to me. I hope I can be seeing less of that in the future.

I do apologize for the social awkwardness my autism has caused. Hope this clear things up.

Were you diagnosed by a doctor in childhood (since this is when autism is diagnosed 99% of the time) and did you get a 2nd opinion, or did you diagnose yourself with wikipedia? If it is the latter, then forgive me for lacking any sympathy. And although I have not read your past posts in a negative light, based on this one, your summary of others' reactions may be the result of your posts being odd. I took an online test diagnosing Asperger's. I passed (or failed depending on your point of view). Such a diagnostic tool is complete garbage. I had a canker sore once, as well. According to the Internet the possible causes were either 1) Unknown; 2) AIDS, 3) Cancer, but probably full-blown AIDS.

Quote: tringlomane

Gold's pretty much broke now...what does that say? lol

At least Darvin Moon was smart and basically "retired from poker".

its says he could do his schtick on average players...but after the win, playing against the elite in private games was no the place he should be. They already figured out his game...he became predictable...at least to the elite players.

However for the players me, and the OP will encounter,...interation is important

Quote: LarryS

its says he could do his schtick on average players...but after the win, playing against the elite in private games was no the place he should be. They already figured out his game...he became predictable...at least to the elite players.

However for the players me, and the OP will encounter,...interation is important

Larry I agree with you about Golds game and what you said. His game worked very well before people caught on. This would not work in games VS pros who knew what he is doing and how he plays. His methods work well for a while in an average game. Keep it up to long and everyone will adjust to your play and turn it around on you.

Quote: Neutrino

That said, most the arguments for "poker is a game of feel" relate somewhat to tells.

Not really, no. Bluffing is less a part of poker, even no-limit poker, than most people think (really especially no-limit poker, only because people exaggerate the difference). To pin down a range, tells can help (and they are very seldom as reliable as "tsk means the nuts," nor do they often carry over from player to player), but what you've got to do is keep track of (and once you're past the ABC stage, influence) other players' own strategies against you and each other - i.e., you've got to be able to come to the best approximation of what they hope to accomplish by their actions, and how their future actions will reflect this. In essence, you've got to read their mind. To do this, you've got to use all the information you're being given, which goes much deeper than "tells," and savant you may be, I don't think the conscious mind can be trained well enough.

Quote: Neutrino

So what about online poker? Are we safe to say online poker is a pure math game with no feel?

Succinctly - HELL NO.

Just because you're not looking at the meaty apes doesn't mean you can pretend you've got Atari enemies sitting behind the keyboards. A little quicker or longer to call, how often the player is showing, the chatbox if there is one - these can be tells. But more importantly - they're looking at you as well, and you've got to keep track of how they might be/seem to be processing your own play in real time. Can math do this? In a very broad sense, sure. Laplace's Demon would be a marvelous poker player. Can you do it with math? I doubt it.

Quote: Neutrino

I mean do you really want to sit in a hand where you go "hmm, I think he has something" or use HUD to say "Hmm his tendencies shows he bluffs in 30% of situations like this so I should analyze my equity and decide what to do" Thanks to HUD everything a person does at the table becomes just numbers, turning the game into a math game.

Again - you need all the information. The only computer program that "turns the game into a math game" is a bot with a wet front end. Can a computer do this? To an extent - bots can run circles around low-level players, but we're not yet to the situation in backgammon, where humans simply can't compete. Can a computer do this for you? Not one as simple as HUD. Your opponents have HUD, too.

Quote: Sonuvabish

Were you diagnosed by a doctor in childhood (since this is when autism is diagnosed 99% of the time) and did you get a 2nd opinion, or did you diagnose yourself with wikipedia? If it is the latter, then forgive me for lacking any sympathy. And although I have not read your past posts in a negative light, based on this one, your summary of others' reactions may be the result of your posts being odd. I took an online test diagnosing Asperger's. I passed (or failed depending on your point of view). Such a diagnostic tool is complete garbage. I had a canker sore once, as well. According to the Internet the possible causes were either 1) Unknown; 2) AIDS, 3) Cancer, but probably full-blown AIDS.

It's psychiatrist diagnosed. And while we're talking about garbage online tests google "online pregnancy test" and facepalm yourself.

Quote: tringlomane

Gold's pretty much broke now...what does that say? lol

At least Darvin Moon was smart and basically "retired from poker".

I watched a few youtube vids on this Gold guy playing and all I can say is holy shit he's angle shooting through the roof how is this even allowed by the rules.

The one that was the most disgusting is when he keep yelling "I'll call if you raise, I'll call if you raise" on his KK vs AA vs Farha and Gabe Kaplan the narrator just kept repeating "it's not binding, it's not binding"

And when he keeps saying "I like you" the best response in normal situations (knowing that he's an asshole) is "well then you're gay", but somehow I get the feeling a "totally-non-genuine-i-want-to-take-your-money-'i like you'" is acceptable on a poker table but "you're gay" is not, and he's totally capitalizing on the loophole in the rule

But a key that you are missing is...you let fish angleshoot like this. Their other leaks are more valuable than whatever angleshoot they are pulling.

Quote: Neutrino

It's psychiatrist diagnosed. And while we're talking about garbage online tests google "online pregnancy test" and facepalm yourself.

If it was diagnosed in adulthood without a second opinion, I would still be skeptical. Regardless, such an 'affliction' means you are smart. It's a good thing in some ways. It would certainly mean you are smart enough to combat and decrease the negative aspects of being so smart.

Quote: Neutrino

It's psychiatrist diagnosed. And while we're talking about garbage online tests google "online pregnancy test" and facepalm yourself.

Here are my results! Question #14 was the only one I really couldn't answer.

Here are the results of the BabyMed OPT Online Pregnancy Test:

Your responses indicate that at this point we are unable to determine if you are pregnant or not.

You mentioned several typical pregnancy symptoms, but you also indicated that you did NOT do a pregnancy test. Without a pregnancy test, there is no clear answer to the question whether you are pregnant or not. Please be aware that a pregnancy can only be confirmed (or excluded) with a pregnancy test.

If you think you may be pregnant, do a pregnancy test, and if your pregnancy test is repeatedly negative you may want to see your doctor to find out whether you are pregnant or not. It is important to start taking especially good care of yourself--this includes taking a vitamin that contains folate (since it can help prevent birth defects) and refraining from smoking, drinking, and using drugs.

Question #1: My age is: 30-34
Question #2: I am using this kind of birth control: None
Question #3: I calculated my ovulation by: Unsure when or if I ovulated
Question #4: My menstrual cycles and menstrual periods are: I don't know
Question #5: We have made love during the 5-6 fertile days Never
Question #6: I am having nausea Yes
Question #7: My breasts are tender No
Question #8: I am having some lower abdominal cramps No
Question #9: I have vaginal bleeding No
Question #10: I am more tired than usual Yes
Question #11: I am having unusual food cravings Yes
Question #12: I am urinating more than usual No
Question #13: I have constipation No
Question #14: My next menstrual period: My next period is expected next week
Question #15: My pregnancy test: Was Not done

- See more at: http://www.babymed.com/online-pregnancy-test?question=results#sthash.lTcMdhLB.dpuf

Quote: FinsRule

Here are my results! Question #14 was the only one I really couldn't answer.

Here are the results of the BabyMed OPT Online Pregnancy Test:

Your responses indicate that at this point we are unable to determine if you are pregnant or not.

You mentioned several typical pregnancy symptoms, but you also indicated that you did NOT do a pregnancy test. Without a pregnancy test, there is no clear answer to the question whether you are pregnant or not. Please be aware that a pregnancy can only be confirmed (or excluded) with a pregnancy test.

If you think you may be pregnant, do a pregnancy test, and if your pregnancy test is repeatedly negative you may want to see your doctor to find out whether you are pregnant or not. It is important to start taking especially good care of yourself--this includes taking a vitamin that contains folate (since it can help prevent birth defects) and refraining from smoking, drinking, and using drugs.

Question #1: My age is: 30-34
Question #2: I am using this kind of birth control: None
Question #3: I calculated my ovulation by: Unsure when or if I ovulated
Question #4: My menstrual cycles and menstrual periods are: I don't know
Question #5: We have made love during the 5-6 fertile days Never
Question #6: I am having nausea Yes
Question #7: My breasts are tender No
Question #8: I am having some lower abdominal cramps No
Question #9: I have vaginal bleeding No
Question #10: I am more tired than usual Yes
Question #11: I am having unusual food cravings Yes
Question #12: I am urinating more than usual No
Question #13: I have constipation No
Question #14: My next menstrual period: My next period is expected next week
Question #15: My pregnancy test: Was Not done

- See more at: http://www.babymed.com/online-pregnancy-test?question=results#sthash.lTcMdhLB.dpuf

I took a different one. I am not decisively pregnant, although I am displaying some distinct pregnancy symptoms. Not having a vagina is quite irrelevant.

Quote: FinsRule

Here are my results! Question #14 was the only one I really couldn't answer.

Here are the results of the BabyMed OPT Online Pregnancy Test:

Your responses indicate that at this point we are unable to determine if you are pregnant or not.

You mentioned several typical pregnancy symptoms, but you also indicated that you did NOT do a pregnancy test. Without a pregnancy test, there is no clear answer to the question whether you are pregnant or not. Please be aware that a pregnancy can only be confirmed (or excluded) with a pregnancy test.

If you think you may be pregnant, do a pregnancy test, and if your pregnancy test is repeatedly negative you may want to see your doctor to find out whether you are pregnant or not. It is important to start taking especially good care of yourself--this includes taking a vitamin that contains folate (since it can help prevent birth defects) and refraining from smoking, drinking, and using drugs.

Question #1: My age is: 30-34
Question #2: I am using this kind of birth control: None
Question #3: I calculated my ovulation by: Unsure when or if I ovulated
Question #4: My menstrual cycles and menstrual periods are: I don't know
Question #5: We have made love during the 5-6 fertile days Never
Question #6: I am having nausea Yes
Question #7: My breasts are tender No
Question #8: I am having some lower abdominal cramps No
Question #9: I have vaginal bleeding No
Question #10: I am more tired than usual Yes
Question #11: I am having unusual food cravings Yes
Question #12: I am urinating more than usual No
Question #13: I have constipation No
Question #14: My next menstrual period: My next period is expected next week
Question #15: My pregnancy test: Was Not done

- See more at: http://www.babymed.com/online-pregnancy-test?question=results#sthash.lTcMdhLB.dpuf

This reminds me of a TV show where the character took an online pregnancy test. The test required a photograph to test for pregnancy which led to hilarity.

Quote: Sonuvabish

I took a different one. I am not decisively pregnant, although I am displaying some distinct pregnancy symptoms. Not having a vagina is quite irrelevant.

I haver to say that it is only irrelevant because you don't have one but that is kind of a chicken/egg discussion for another thread :)

Quote: Tomspur

I haver to say that it is only irrelevant because you don't have one but that is kind of a chicken/egg discussion for another thread :)

I'm autistic too but minus the math/analytical skills.

Basically I'm retarded.

Quote: bumblingfool

I'm autistic too but minus the math/analytical skills.

Basically I'm retarded.

Suspended for insulting himself? Lol

So you guys are talking about tells and how autistic people are supposed to be bad at them.

As I was googleing Mike Caro I noticed he looks quite... mentally different. Not sure how to explain that but he just doesn't look normal. Maybe it's the hair. He could be autistic

Wouldn't that be ironic, an autistic man with the best tell reading skill in the world.

Quote: Neutrino

So you guys are talking about tells and how autistic people are supposed to be bad at them.

As I was googleing Mike Caro I noticed he looks quite... mentally different. Not sure how to explain that but he just doesn't look normal. Maybe it's the hair. He could be autistic

Wouldn't that be ironic, an autistic man with the best tell reading skill in the world.

Caro does not strike me as autistic. Maybe a little crazy though (in a good way).

Don't let anyone tell you what you can or can't do. Just try. If you can do it, you can do it. If you can't, you can't.

Quote: AxiomOfChoice

Caro does not strike me as autistic. Maybe a little crazy though (in a good way).

Don't let anyone tell you what you can or can't do. Just try. If you can do it, you can do it. If you can't, you can't.

Except a betting system. Listen when they say don't use a betting system!

Quote: Sonuvabish

If it was diagnosed in adulthood without a second opinion, I would still be skeptical. Regardless, such an 'affliction' means you are smart. It's a good thing in some ways. It would certainly mean you are smart enough to combat and decrease the negative aspects of being so smart.

My friend has the same honor, is not smart, and basically is just a paranoid little anus hole(metaphorically). Apparently locking him in the basement until he was a teenager wasn't good parenting.