epsmaker
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April 18th, 2014 at 8:59:56 AM permalink
I have noticed with the new keno games installed at Caesars properties that big wins are not as prevalent as before. Specifically, I have observed that large clusters of numbers rarely occur e.g. a group of 7,8 or 9 numbers contiguous to each other like 1-2-3-4-5-6-7 etc. In my many years of playing keno I have noticed that the majority of players choose number sets in this manner. Question: could it be that the casinos/manufactures have noticed this and modified their algorithm such that if the first draw results in a large cluster of contiguous numbers then that cluster is subjected to further randomization (all could be done in a matter of microseconds) before the final results of that play are presented to the player? If this is the case would you be better off just playing a random draw of numbers?
MathExtremist
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April 18th, 2014 at 9:10:09 AM permalink
Not in Nevada or GLI jurisdictions. Conditional display logic is disallowed under Reg 14 or the equivalent passage in GLI-11.
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April 18th, 2014 at 9:32:43 AM permalink
Even if it were legal, it wouldn't be wise because eventually it would become myth and people would avoid playing those sets and the edge would be weakened.
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April 18th, 2014 at 9:39:16 AM permalink
Quote: epsmaker

I have noticed with the new keno games installed at Caesars properties that big wins are not as prevalent as before. Specifically, I have observed that large clusters of numbers rarely occur e.g. a group of 7,8 or 9 numbers contiguous to each other like 1-2-3-4-5-6-7 etc. In my many years of playing keno I have noticed that the majority of players choose number sets in this manner. Question: could it be that the casinos/manufactures have noticed this and modified their algorithm such that if the first draw results in a large cluster of contiguous numbers then that cluster is subjected to further randomization (all could be done in a matter of microseconds) before the final results of that play are presented to the player? If this is the case would you be better off just playing a random draw of numbers?



I chalk stuff like this up to selective memory.
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epsmaker
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April 18th, 2014 at 4:36:21 PM permalink
Reg 14 states "2. Must use a random selection process to determine the game outcome of each play of a game. The random selection process must meet 95 percent confidence limits using a standard chi-squared test for goodness of fit.

The above algorithm i presented meets this criteria. The outcome is still random and would pass any test that measures the Reg. 14 criteria.
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April 18th, 2014 at 4:40:49 PM permalink
Quote: epsmaker

Reg 14 states "2. Must use a random selection process to determine the game outcome of each play of a game. The random selection process must meet 95 percent confidence limits using a standard chi-squared test for goodness of fit.

The above algorithm i presented meets this criteria. The outcome is still random and would pass any test that measures the Reg. 14 criteria.


a) No it wouldn't. It'd fail correlation testing.
b) You're using a "variable secondary decision" and that's prohibited. Keep reading.
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April 18th, 2014 at 4:46:39 PM permalink
Quote: epsmaker

I have noticed with the new keno games installed at Caesars properties that big wins are not as prevalent as before. Specifically, I have observed that large clusters of numbers rarely occur e.g. a group of 7,8 or 9 numbers contiguous to each other like 1-2-3-4-5-6-7 etc. In my many years of playing keno I have noticed that the majority of players choose number sets in this manner. Question: could it be that the casinos/manufactures have noticed this and modified their algorithm such that if the first draw results in a large cluster of contiguous numbers then that cluster is subjected to further randomization (all could be done in a matter of microseconds) before the final results of that play are presented to the player? If this is the case would you be better off just playing a random draw of numbers?

You are correct people often play clustered numbers and patterns (ask yourself why people do this, I bet its because they notice thees type of patterns when they appear, also its easier to see and remember ) if the game designers could somehow avoid numbers from clustering and still pass the random testing, well this would be good for the casinos in most cases.

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April 18th, 2014 at 4:52:52 PM permalink
You're saying that if the numbers generated are close to each other then it re-randomizes them and spits them out instead?

Let's say I'm going to run 1000 trials. Each trial is throwing 1 die one time. I decide if the die lands on 6, I will re-roll the die for that trial (however, if it lands on 6 during the re-roll, then it is a valid roll). The chance of a valid roll being a 6 have greatly decreased.
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