Why do people play pai gow poker
Quote: terapinedI love Pai Gow Poker.
I just recently got into it due to JB's strategy on the Wiz's odds site.
I am well aware I have a big disadvantage at 5 per cent comm. If the fortune bet is just a buck, I bet that also and the casino edge is more then 5 per cent on that bet.
Overall all, Pai Gow has the worst odds but to me is the most fun.
Pai Gow Poker, even with the commission, is the most fun for me.
I love the Fortune bet if its only a dollar. It makes the game funs because you can hit a longshot.
Too me, gambling is about fun. I always play with an amount I am willing and can afford to lose.
All of these are great statements. Fun is most important. Individual preferences vary.
Its true that Fortune bet is a bit "steep" ... but that is why these one dollar lottery tickets sell like crazy when the prize climbs into the zillions. You might as well go for The Fortune Bonus and win big. I was doing it at five dollars a throw. Was working for me for awhile. I enjoyed it at the Hard Rock a while ago. Not everyone wants to line up at the absolute lowest house edge game in the casino.
Now as to that Strategy Page... if you post your simplified version I'd love to see it. I looked at the "simple" strategy page and couldn't figure things out at all.
Quote: FleaStiff
Now as to that Strategy Page... if you post your simplified version I'd love to see it. I looked at the "simple" strategy page and couldn't figure things out at all.
JB's Strategy is divided into 2 major sections.
The 1st section is based on having no straight or flush.
The 2nd section is based on having a straight or flush.
My little sheet I play with has 2 sides, 1 side if no straight or flush, 2nd side with a straight or flush.
Its abbreviated and may not be understandable to you but its understandable to me.
On the no straight or flush with 2 pairs, JB'S strategy is what shows but I did put the Wiz's 2 pair strategy to the right.
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For example on my sheet , 1st line is
2 pair 7 or less w/Q > NO SPLIT
This means if you have no straight or flush but have 2 pair. If you add the pairs such as 44 33, 3 plus 4 equals 7 so therefore If I have a Q K A, I will not split the pair. On the flip side, If I have a Q with 44 55, 4 + 5 is 9 which is higher then 7 so I will split the pair.
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Most hands are easy to figure out.
I generally refer to my sheet when I have 2 pair with high cards. The decision is whether to split the pairs or play 2 pair in the high hand.
Quote: FinsRuleI don't quite understand. He said he knew it was a sucker bet, but he wanted to play it because of the chance of hitting a big score. What didn't he learn?
In terms of sucker bets, there's a lot worse also.
He didn't learn that he was throwing away his money when he makes a side bet on every hand. If he didn't make and lose all those side bets, he would still have money and he wouldn't have to go into his pocket for more money.
It's bad enough that when you bet $20, you win $19. When you make those side bets, win the hand but lose the side bet, you are betting $21 to win $19. The money lost on those side bets add up.
He bets $21 and wins $19. I bet $20 and win $19.
I said that I never play the side bets. When players at the table question why I don't play the side bets, I tell them why and I tell them if it is such a good bet, I offer them the opportunity for them to put their money on my side bet. No one has ever taken me up on that offer.
Person A - Bets 20 and 0 on bonus
Person B - Bets 10 and 1 on bonus
BTW, I like something to do when gambling besides push a button or roll dice, like make critical decisions. So I like games like VP, PGP, BJ, and don't care much for slots, Bacc., and 3CP.
Quote: FinsRuleWho is the bigger sucker?
Person A - Bets 20 and 0 on bonus
Person B - Bets 10 and 1 on bonus
Person B is the sucker because he is throwing away 1/10 of his unit at a huge disadvantage, whereas Person A is throwing nothing away.
Main= 1% and SB=5% (example)
A expects to lose 0.01 units per hand.
B expects to lose 0.015 units per hand.
Quote: FinsRuleWho is the bigger sucker?
Person A - Bets 20 and 0 on bonus
Person B - Bets 10 and 1 on bonus
Person B
Let's say the hand is a push.
Person A loses nothing.
Person B loses 1$.....ON A PUSH!!!!!
Quote: bwbut person B has a royal on the push, he is up $150.
Shoot, you beat me to saying that!
Also - I wonder if anyone's done the math on paigow hands where you have more information on the cards that are out.. (aces/joker primarily)
If you know that players have [n] of the aces, how does that change up which 2 cards you put up on the low hand... (i.e. you have a middle pair, low pair, and a king - split them or keep them together based off the number of aces out in the aggregate set of player's hands.
Quote: paigowerI wonder what the win/loss covariance is between the main pgp bet and the fortune bet?
Also - I wonder if anyone's done the math on paigow hands where you have more information on the cards that are out.. (aces/joker primarily)
If you know that players have [n] of the aces, how does that change up which 2 cards you put up on the low hand... (i.e. you have a middle pair, low pair, and a king - split them or keep them together based off the number of aces out in the aggregate set of player's hands.
Obviously if you know all the aces are gone you can make different decisions. In terms of the cutting of the house edge, it's a tiny tiny amount.
Quote: terapined
I actually play live keno sometimes. I know its a terrible bet but I'm in Vegas for fun, a 1 dollar bet is about fun . I typically stay at the 4 Queens and bet sports at their small William Hill Sports book. Live keno just a few steps away, sometimes I'll make a 1 buck bet during timeouts and halftimes.
Sometimes its about having fun instead of odds.
No way I'm dumping real money into a sucker bet, but a buck here or there, why not have a little fun.
I find that The D offers a very good value for Live Keno.
You can play their $0.40/card game with a minimum bet of $4.00, so you get a half hour's worth of draws for $4.00. Depending on the amount of numbers you play, you'd be bucking an edge of anywhere from 15% (I think) to 20% for an expected loss of $0.60-$0.80 on your $4.00 ticket. However, live Keno is also located next to the William Hill sports book there, and you will get drink service while just sitting there watching the Keno draws. In fact, the cocktail waitress served me three times within that half hour.
The expected loss per hour can be even lower than playing nickel video keno betting only $0.05/card, if you are playing quickly.
Quote: paigowerI wonder what the win/loss covariance is between the main pgp bet and the fortune bet?
Also - I wonder if anyone's done the math on paigow hands where you have more information on the cards that are out.. (aces/joker primarily)
If you know that players have [n] of the aces, how does that change up which 2 cards you put up on the low hand... (i.e. you have a middle pair, low pair, and a king - split them or keep them together based off the number of aces out in the aggregate set of player's hands.
I haven't done the math on it, but to me it is HUGELY helpful... I often sit mid table, and the players to both my sides often ask for advice.... If I see all aces out I most definitely play a KQ in low hand when it 'looks' wrong.. If 'ace rich' I wont play a weak ace in low hand, and would rather split pairs I normally wouldn't. It happens more than you think.....
Ok drinking is not positive EV, so lets not convince ourselves playing for drinks is a good or a positive thing. I'd be willing to bet not every drink you get while playing negative games cover the cost of just buying a beer.Quote: Mission146I find that The D offers a very good value for Live Keno.
You can play their $0.40/card game with a minimum bet of $4.00, so you get a half hour's worth of draws for $4.00. Depending on the amount of numbers you play, you'd be bucking an edge of anywhere from 15% (I think) to 20% for an expected loss of $0.60-$0.80 on your $4.00 ticket. However, live Keno is also located next to the William Hill sports book there, and you will get drink service while just sitting there watching the Keno draws. In fact, the cocktail waitress served me three times within that half hour.
The expected loss per hour can be even lower than playing nickel video keno betting only $0.05/card, if you are playing quickly.
One should not use getting free drinks as an excuse to play bad things( it's a slippery slope). You can get free drinks without playing a dime(you and I both know how). Or you can just play something positive to get free drinks.
Call a spade a spade. and say this with me.......I want to drink, gamble and win on bad stuff, I want to have fun while doing it. I don't care about EV while I'm participating in such exploits, I just want to party get drunk and have fun.
Quote: AxelWolf
Call a spade a spade. and say this with me.......I want to drink, gamble and win on bad stuff, I want to have fun while doing it. I don't care about EV while I'm participating in such exploits, I just want to party get drunk and have fun.
Yes, that, at least when I'm in Vegas. Other than Loose Deuces, vulturing Ultimate X on principle alone, and free/match play stuff, I did not do a ton of positive expectation gambling.
Although, you must admit, a fixed maximum cost of $4.00 for three drinks in a half hour while watching multiple baseball games in really nice big screens isn't that bad of a deal!
Quote: michael99000Another thread you started was about your not understanding why people develop gambling addictions. Now you don't get why people play Pai Gow.
Whets next? A thread expressing shock that people drive over the speed limit... A thread about how your amazed that people eat so many cookies...
Also, it's usually a good idea to understand the rules of a game before devoting an entire thread to your disdain for it,
LOL. Why do people drive over the speed limit? If they have a license, this strongly implies they knew how to read at some point. Do these people actually forget how to read? I didn't know this was even possible.
Quote: sodawaterIn NJ, if you bet $105 and win they pay $99.75. So commission is $5.25. They need their quarter.
Dumb question from someone who's never sat at a Pai Gow Poker table... How exactly are percentage payouts like this actually handled? Do they have to use a bunch of singles and quarter chips, etc.?
Quote: ECoasterDumb question from someone who's never sat at a Pai Gow Poker table... How exactly are percentage payouts like this actually handled? Do they have to use a bunch of singles and quarter chips, etc.?
Exactly, I have played as low as 5 bucks a hand at Binions Downtown Vegas (weekday morning). Pay the dealer a quarter on a 5 buck win. No 25 cent chips, real quarters. On 10 dollar minimum tables , dealer has real 50 cent pieces for commission.
Typically if playing 10 dollars a hand, if you win, players generally put a 50 cent piece or 1 dollar chip near their bet so the dealer can easily collect the commission either taking the 50 cent piece or taking the dollar chip and giving a 50 cent piece back.
If you win but have no 50 cent pieces or dollar chips to pay commission, dealer pays 9 dollar chips and a real .50 peice on a 10 dollar win instead of paying 10 and collecting commission.
Quote: ECoasterDumb question from someone who's never sat at a Pai Gow Poker table... How exactly are percentage payouts like this actually handled? Do they have to use a bunch of singles and quarter chips, etc.?
Most casinos use real quarters. They keep them in $10 rolls in their chip wells. Some low-roller joints have 25-cent chips. I know the now-defunct Atlantic Club (Hilton) in AC had 25-cent chips on all its Asian games.
No $1 coins or bills. All casinos use $1 chips.
In AC, if you bet $105 and don't have any change to give the dealer, he will pay you:
3 $25 chips
4 $5 chips
4 $1 chips
3 U.S. quarters
for a total of $99.75.
Quote: FinsRuleA lot of places have a chip showing you owe them $.25
that is known as a lammer.
Quote: sodawaterMost casinos use real quarters. They keep them in $10 rolls in their chip wells. Some low-roller joints have 25-cent chips. I know the now-defunct Atlantic Club (Hilton) in AC had 25-cent chips on all its Asian games.
With Atlantic Club gone, are there any $10 tables to be found anywhere in A.C.?
Thanks to all for the answers about the payouts.
Quote: sodawaterthat is known as a lammer.
Yeah, I knew that at one point in my life.
Quote: terapinedExactly, I have played as low as 5 bucks a hand at Binions Downtown Vegas (weekday morning). Pay the dealer a quarter on a 5 buck win. No 25 cent chips, real quarters. On 10 dollar minimum tables , dealer has real 50 cent pieces for commission.
I can verify that is the case, at least with $5 hands, as of last week. Pleasant atmosphere at Binion's, and quick cocktail service, too.
Quote: ECoasterWith Atlantic Club gone, are there any $10 tables to be found anywhere in A.C.?
Thanks to all for the answers about the payouts.
Plenty of $10 blackjack and craps at the lower-end boardwalk properties. Look for ones where you're allowed to bring your dog to your hotel room. Then you'll know you're in the right place.
Quote: ECoasterWith Atlantic Club gone, are there any $10 tables to be found anywhere in A.C.?
Thanks to all for the answers about the payouts.
The Golden Nugget usually has a $15 table. I was surprised that last Tuesday afternoon, they had a $10 table.
